Occupy protest rekindles debate about flag-burning
By BETH DUFF-BROWN and TERRY COLLINS | Associated Press
Many in the crowd outside Oakland City Hall shouted "Burn it! Burn it!" as masked protesters readied to set fire to an American flag. That's when a woman emerged from the scrum, screaming for them to stop, that it would hurt the cause.

Moments later, the flames began, and suddenly a movement that seemingly vanished weeks ago was back in the spotlight, this time for an act of protest that has long divided the nation and now the movement itself.

The images of the flag-burning went viral in the hours after Saturday's demonstrations on Oakland's streets, with Occupy supporters denouncing the act as unpatriotic and a black mark on the movement. Others called it justified.

The flag-burning, however, raised questions about whether the act will tarnish a movement of largely peaceful protests and alienate people who agree with its message against corporate excess and economic inequality.

"I'm quite confident that the general view is that violence of this sort — whether it's symbolic or otherwise — is contrary to the spirit of the movement and should be renounced," Columbia University sociologist Todd Gitlin said.

Gitlin, who is writing a book about the movement, noted that flags have had a prominent place at the Occupy Wall Street encampments that sprang up last fall. They are typically pinned to tents or waving from wooden flagpoles.

"I was thinking how they have come to embrace the American flag as a hallmark of this movement; it's very common to see American flags honored and elevated at these encampments," he said.

Flag-burning has been a powerful symbol since the days of the anti-Vietnam War movement. Congress at the time passed a law to protect the flag in 1968, and most states followed suit.

In 1989, the U.S. Supreme Court decided such laws were unconstitutional restrictions on free speech. The court's decision set off a move in Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to prohibit desecration of the flag. An attempt in 2006 failed by only one vote in the Senate.

In Oakland, social activism and civic unrest have long marked the rough-edged city across the bay from San Francisco. Beset by poverty, crime and a decades-long tense relationship between the police and residents, its streets have seen many clashes, including anti-draft protests in the 1960s that spilled into town from neighboring Berkeley.

At Occupy Oakland, flag-burning is nothing new. A well-known Bay Area activist burned three during protests that temporarily shut down the Port of Oakland in November.

Troy Johnson, an Occupy Oakland member, said he arrived just in time Saturday to watch his friend, whom he would not name in order to protect his identity, emerge from City Hall with an American flag in tow.

"He asked the crowd, 'What do you want us to do with the flag?'" Johnson recalled. "They said, 'Burn it! Burn it! Burn it!'"

As many egged on the bandanna-masked men, lighters were passed around. A photographer on assignment for The Associated Press said a woman rose from among the crowd to urge against the flag-burning. She then threw the flag to the ground and tried to put out the fire, shouting at them that it would only hurt their cause.

The fire-starter is not an anarchist, but a typical member of Occupy Oakland who feels the system has failed them, said Johnson, who pulled out his cellphone to show his recording of the flag-burning.

"I would describe him as someone who loves his country, but also disappointed in the system that's running this country," said Johnson, who goes by the nickname "Uncle Boom" and was a sergeant in the U.S. Army.

Johnson said he wouldn't stop the flag-burning because the country is based on freedom of speech and expression.

"To the veterans who fought for this country, I wholeheartedly apologize," he said. "Because when they took the oath to join the military, they fought for the flag. But they also fought for the right to express ourselves."

Another Occupy member, Sean Palmer, who served in the Marines, said he opposed flag-burning. "I think they should've hung it upside down, because that's the international call for distress and that's what we are, in distress," Palmer said.

Saturday's protest culminated in rock- and bottle-throwing and volleys of tear gas from the police, as well as the City Hall break-in that left glass cases smashed, graffiti spray-painted on the walls and, finally, the flag-burning.

Police said more than 400 people were arrested; at least three officers and one protester were injured.

Police said Monday that they were still trying to determine how many of those arrested were from Oakland. In the past, the majority of those arrested in Occupy sweeps were not Oakland residents and this has rankled city officials. Mayor Jean Quan has called on the loosely organized movement to "stop using Oakland as its playground."

Officials said vandalism and activities related to Occupy Oakland have cost the financially strapped city $5 million since October.

Oakland Councilwoman Libby Schaaf said she was disgusted not to see the American and California flags atop the grand staircase inside City Hall on Monday. The destruction to her workplace couldn't have come at a worse time as the city is grappling with closing a $28 million budget deficit.

"To do this to us in a week were we have to lay off so many city workers is so unconscionable," Schaaf said.

Protester Julion Lewis-Tatman said he led the crowd in the plaza outside City Hall, but did not take part in the flag-burning.

"I love this country to death, but burning the flag means nothing to me," he said. "We're burning down the old system and we're starting a new country."

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Beth Duff-Brown reported from San Francisco. Deepti Hajela contributed to this story from New York.

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Joey wrote:Never seen why you'd want to burn your own flag. It's going to hurt support for your cause if you run around setting fire to symbols of your nation.
Why not take a piss on a bald eagle while they're at it? Smelly hippies.

Frazzled wrote:

Joey wrote:Never seen why you'd want to burn your own flag. It's going to hurt support for your cause if you run around setting fire to symbols of your nation.
Why not take a piss on a bald eagle while they're at it? Smelly hippies.

The funny part is, I'm 99.999% sure the flag was made in China.

Joey wrote:For the benefit of Americans, you are the only ones who're obsessed with burning your flag. We in Britain have the freedom to burn our flag if we wanted to...but then, why would you?
The only people who burn the British flag are people who hate Britain/British things, like those mental Muslims you get sometimes. But your run of the mill protestor would never burn the Union Flag.

biccat wrote:I wasn't aware there was any debate about flag burning. I thought we were all generally on the same page on the issue:

It's legal to burn flags. People who burn flags are donkey-caves.

dogma wrote:I've never understood the reverence for the flag, at least not on an emotional level. But then nationalism is also vexing to me.

Johnny-Crass wrote:I say burn em all. I have spent alot of time at occupy oakland and fully support any actions they make. This nation is not for the people anymore and I would proudly burn a symbol of corporate greed

Coolyo294 wrote:OWS is still going on?

Squidmanlolz wrote:It becomes more than that to people who see themselves as a sort of extension of their country.

Johnny-Crass wrote:I say burn em all. I have spent alot of time at occupy oakland and fully support any actions they make. This nation is not for the people anymore and I would proudly burn a symbol of corporate greed

AustonT wrote:

Johnny-Crass wrote:I say burn em all. I have spent alot of time at occupy oakland and fully support any actions they make. This nation is not for the people anymore and I would proudly burn a symbol of corporate greed

Bwahahaha! My opinion of you based on this statement is unpublishable on Dakka, luckily if you hate that symbol of corporate greed and all it entails you are still welcome to leave. Perhaps Peru or Syria?

dogma wrote:I've never understood the reverence for the flag, at least not on an emotional level. But then nationalism is also vexing to me.