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Chowderhead wrote:
I'm 16. There is an extremly large difference between ignorant and stupid. I just read the Wikipedia article on it, and the practice has nothing to do with Christianity, and more with Islam and the forceful keeping of virginity.

Blaze, please follow rule 1 and stop insulting me. Thank you.

If you even get clear of the community that is influencing you with this religious rubbish you will most definitely learn that the world has more to offer than your narrow minded and ignorant religion even could.

Chowderhead wrote:
With religion, you can say god did it, and be done with it. Much easier than research.

What I am trying to say is that Religion Is easier than science. No more, no less. I think that religion will become unneccisary at a later date, but for now, we need it.

Even the Ancient Greeks had more interesting hypothesis about gods and religion than the brain-dead cretin that plague the earth nowadays.

Edit: And btw im sorry, didin't know you were 16. And remember the clitoris is pretty much a penis. (tuck that piece of information away for your prom-night)

Chowderhead wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:You mean with religion its lazier, and we no longer need it.

Eventually, we will no longer need religion.

But right now, we need it. Without it, a lot of political messes that have been fixed will become such clusterfeths that we won't be able to sort out our ass from anothers.

Religions are creating most of our political messes today. If it wasn't for them gay marriage wouldn't be an issue, just marry anyone you want.

the Abortions issue was solved some 50 years ago, but the religions just can't drop it.

Religions are even come in against Global Warming, and they're pretty much anti science as it is. Creating more political messes by trying to push their fairy tales into the classroom.

so without religion we'd have a lot fewer political messes and the republicans would no longer have a platform to run a campaign. They might actually have to talk about relevant issues for a change.

Bla_Ze wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:
I'm 16. There is an extremly large difference between ignorant and stupid. I just read the Wikipedia article on it, and the practice has nothing to do with Christianity, and more with Islam and the forceful keeping of virginity.

Blaze, please follow rule 1 and stop insulting me. Thank you.

If you even get clear of the community that is influencing you with this religious rubbish you will most definitely learn that the world has more to offer than your narrow minded and ignorant religion even could.

I was born Jewish, raised Jewish, and am now a practicing Atheist. Christianity has never been part of my life, and never will be.

The fact that you claim I'm Catholic when I have stated about five times in my other posts on this thread shows me that you have no interest in this topic, but just want to troll.

Chowderhead wrote:

With religion, you can say god did it, and be done with it. Much easier than research.

What I am trying to say is that Religion Is easier than science. No more, no less. I think that religion will become unnecessary at a later date, but for now, we need it.

Even the Ancient Greeks had more interesting hypothesis about gods and religion than the brain-dead cretin that plague the earth nowadays.

It's only interesting because you find it interesting. You are stating opinion like it is fact, which is a very large logical fallacy.


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sirlynchmob wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:You mean with religion its lazier, and we no longer need it.

Eventually, we will no longer need religion.

But right now, we need it. Without it, a lot of political messes that have been fixed will become such clusterfeths that we won't be able to sort out our ass from anothers.

Religions are creating most of our political messes today. If it wasn't for them gay marriage wouldn't be an issue, just marry anyone you want.

the Abortions issue was solved some 50 years ago, but the religions just can't drop it.

Religions are even come in against Global Warming, and they're pretty much anti science as it is. Creating more political messes by trying to push their fairy tales into the classroom.

so without religion we'd have a lot fewer political messes and the republicans would no longer have a platform to run a campaign. They might actually have to talk about relevant issues for a change.

They already do focus on relevant issues. The majority of Americans are Christian, and by talking about Christianity, they are speaking about the majorities issues.

It's also a massive stereotype to say that all Conservatives are Bible-thumping Jesus-freaks.

Science and religion don't have to be mutually exclusive. Just sayin'.

Monster Rain wrote:Science and religion don't have to be mutually exclusive. Just sayin'.

This is also true.

Why, I've been to busy white knighting "my" religion full of baby humpers and nazis to see it! Thanks, MR! I'll make sure god kills you first when he sends down the angels to kill the athiests, gay-enablers, and all the other heathens!

Yay!

Chowderhead wrote:
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sirlynchmob wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:You mean with religion its lazier, and we no longer need it.

Eventually, we will no longer need religion.

But right now, we need it. Without it, a lot of political messes that have been fixed will become such clusterfeths that we won't be able to sort out our ass from anothers.

Religions are creating most of our political messes today. If it wasn't for them gay marriage wouldn't be an issue, just marry anyone you want.

the Abortions issue was solved some 50 years ago, but the religions just can't drop it.

Religions are even come in against Global Warming, and they're pretty much anti science as it is. Creating more political messes by trying to push their fairy tales into the classroom.

so without religion we'd have a lot fewer political messes and the republicans would no longer have a platform to run a campaign. They might actually have to talk about relevant issues for a change.

They already do focus on relevant issues. The majority of Americans are Christian, and by talking about Christianity, they are speaking about the majorities issues.

It's also a massive stereotype to say that all Conservatives are Bible-thumping Jesus-freaks.

If you think these are relevant issues you're are just a bible thumping jesus freak, or worse you agree with them.

Who are the people that think gays shouldn't get married, women shouldn't get abortions, and science is some sort of evil conspiracy? The bible thumping nut jobs.

For some reason, they think because they don't like these things, they can push their nonsense into laws, in essence they want tell others who are not part of their religion how to live their lives, and what to do with their lives.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:
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sirlynchmob wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:You mean with religion its lazier, and we no longer need it.

Eventually, we will no longer need religion.

But right now, we need it. Without it, a lot of political messes that have been fixed will become such clusterfeths that we won't be able to sort out our ass from anothers.

Religions are creating most of our political messes today. If it wasn't for them gay marriage wouldn't be an issue, just marry anyone you want.

the Abortions issue was solved some 50 years ago, but the religions just can't drop it.

Religions are even come in against Global Warming, and they're pretty much anti science as it is. Creating more political messes by trying to push their fairy tales into the classroom.

so without religion we'd have a lot fewer political messes and the republicans would no longer have a platform to run a campaign. They might actually have to talk about relevant issues for a change.

They already do focus on relevant issues. The majority of Americans are Christian, and by talking about Christianity, they are speaking about the majorities issues.

It's also a massive stereotype to say that all Conservatives are Bible-thumping Jesus-freaks.

If you think these are relevant issues you're are just a bible thumping jesus freak, or worse you agree with them.

Who are the people that think gays shouldn't get married, women shouldn't get abortions, and science is some sort of evil conspiracy? The bible thumping nut jobs.

For some reason, they think because they don't like these things, they can push their nonsense into laws, in essence they want tell others who are not part of their religion how to live their lives, and what to do with their lives.

They can do this because people voted them in, not because they are the looniest of the loony bin.

And no, I do not agree with them. I will never agree with them that Christianity is important to out Gov't. I'm with Ben Franklin on this issue.

However, just because I disagree with them, it does not mean I can't be blinded from the facts.


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I'm going to bow out now, seeing as how people seem to be twisting my words to make me out to be some sort of monster.

People are being asshats, and I don't see myself being part of them. Goodbye.

Chowderhead wrote:
I was born Jewish, raised Jewish, and am now a practicing Atheist. Christianity has never been part of my life, and never will be.

The fact that you claim I'm Catholic when I have stated about five times in my other posts on this thread shows me that you have no interest in this topic, but just want to troll.

There is a reason i never specified what religion, but one thing is a fact. You got these notions from somewhere.

Chowderhead wrote:
It's only interesting because you find it interesting. You are stating opinion like it is fact, which is a very large logical fallacy.

I beg to differ, in the context of this discussion it should be seen as quite interesting. Especially if you consider most of ancient greece was religious. And yet its scientific contribution was, of the charts? (pun intended)

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Poppabear wrote:
If I came up to you and started to say that everything you believe in, and put your faith into, was a entire hunk of crap and because you believed that, makes you an idiot and a raging homosexual that likes to touch little boys!?!?!?!? You tell me where you would reason with me in that bloody situation. My guess is that any sort of reasoning up to that point would just be thrown out the window.

And its not just someone acting like an idiot (this has happened in the past because of people who "Just wanted to see what would happen") and they end up half dead on the side walk because of "What just happened". Its someone who attacks an entire religion and culture because they think its wrong and somewhere in that person self-righteous being is a git that deserves what ever comes to him.

Nope, I'm fairly sure, reading this, that you're the one acting like an idiot here. You have made several references to homosexuality and pedophilia as one and the same. That marks you as someone drastically naive and bigoted. Your comment is homophobic and typical of the 'religious' people who persecute an agenda of discrimination against the gay population and their rights as equals in society.

Homosexuality is entirely acceptable in Western society, it is a lifestyle and choice of sexual partner conducted between two consenting adults. Pedophilia is a horrific and tragic crime perpetrated against vulnerable children by predatory and malfunctioning individuals. Blending the two, as you have done in several statements in this thread, is something I've heard in pubs before, it's a myth spread by the fearful and prejudiced and hateful, something Christians are not supposed to be. I worked with abused children for several years and can assure you pedophilia is not gender-specific. It's about someone in a position of power abusing someone without power, not about sexual orientation.

Defending your religion by making blanket attacks and ignorant comments on other lifestyles is not a great way to engender support from the rest of us.

So you chose to ignore my last comment did you, you guys are now sounding like FOX NEWS, you'll only read the juicy parts but never the whole damn thing. I said time and time again, I have nothing, NOTHING against gays, I have few gay mates that I would take a bullet for, they are a person to and have the same rights as me, and why should I treat them any differently. But its a very different situation when people start calling me something I'm not. Hell, I get upset when I meat people and they say "Oh, are you American?" cause I must sound like one and god knows why I do.

I do not wish violence on anyone, I was merely saying that if you brought your stupid comments into the real world, I wouldn't be surprised if violence does come your way because that tends to happen./

I also have apologized for the some of the comments I made, at the time I was quite upset, yes there are many problems with the Church, I never denied that. but you guys can keep your smug atheist beliefs to your self and don't have to turn into keyboard warriors and right all your self-righteous bull crap about the Church, The Catholic Church has helped me in many ways, through hardship and heart-ache, and then when people pretty much start saying that it was all wrong or the Catholic Church is full of dickheads. And that's another thing, I have nothing against any other religion, cept I do have slight problem with atheism because of the attitude that comes along with it that a lot of the people have.


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Or, you can just keeping on quoting me and turning what I have to say into things that are not true.... kinda sounds like Bill O'Riley.

Poppabear wrote:I also have apologized for the some of the comments I made, at the time I was quite upset, yes there are many problems with the Church, I never denied that. but you guys can keep your smug atheist beliefs to your self and don't have to turn into keyboard warriors and right all your self-righteous bull crap about the Church, The Catholic Church has helped me in many ways, through hardship and heart-ache, and then when people pretty much start saying that it was all wrong or the Catholic Church is full of dickheads. And that's another thing, I have nothing against any other religion, cept I do have slight problem with atheism because of the attitude that comes along with it that a lot of the people have.

Wait, you say to stop insulting your beliefs...

Then you say you have a problem with atheists....

You're a huge hypocrite. But I'm glad that you admitted that the Church has had quite a few problems and that it ain't infallible. That's good.

Oh my, I forgot how silly this place can get during Adepticon.

This thread is like a minefield...made of mines!

LoneLictor wrote:

Poppabear wrote:I also have apologized for the some of the comments I made, at the time I was quite upset, yes there are many problems with the Church, I never denied that. but you guys can keep your smug atheist beliefs to your self and don't have to turn into keyboard warriors and right all your self-righteous bull crap about the Church, The Catholic Church has helped me in many ways, through hardship and heart-ache, and then when people pretty much start saying that it was all wrong or the Catholic Church is full of dickheads. And that's another thing, I have nothing against any other religion, cept I do have slight problem with atheism because of the attitude that comes along with it that a lot of the people have.

Wait, you say to stop insulting your beliefs...

Then you say you have a problem with atheists....

You're a huge hypocrite. But I'm glad that you admitted that the Church has had quite a few problems and that it ain't infallible. That's good.

OMG, fething knew you would take that out of context, I said I had a slight problem, because of the attitude that comes along with it.... kinda like yours. There is no problem with the "belief", but I do have a problem with people thinking their better then everyone else because so.

So again, thanks for proving my point.

Poppabear wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

Poppabear wrote:I also have apologized for the some of the comments I made, at the time I was quite upset, yes there are many problems with the Church, I never denied that. but you guys can keep your smug atheist beliefs to your self and don't have to turn into keyboard warriors and right all your self-righteous bull crap about the Church, The Catholic Church has helped me in many ways, through hardship and heart-ache, and then when people pretty much start saying that it was all wrong or the Catholic Church is full of dickheads. And that's another thing, I have nothing against any other religion, cept I do have slight problem with atheism because of the attitude that comes along with it that a lot of the people have.

Wait, you say to stop insulting your beliefs...

Then you say you have a problem with atheists....

You're a huge hypocrite. But I'm glad that you admitted that the Church has had quite a few problems and that it ain't infallible. That's good.

OMG, fething knew you would take that out of context, I said I had a slight problem, because of the attitude that comes along with it.... kinda like yours. There is no problem with the "belief", but I do have a problem with people thinking their better then everyone else because so.

So again, thanks for proving my point.

The bolded part doesn't make sense. You claim you don't have a problem with atheism. Then you say atheists have attitude problems so you have a problem with them. I'm somewhat confused by this. How can you not have a problem with atheism if you have a problem with it? Ah well.

Also, I'm wondering how, by calling you out on your hypocrisy, I "proved your point", whatever that point might be. And no, I didn't take anything you said out of context. I included the entire paragraph, unedited.

TheRobotLol wrote:This thread is like a minefield...made of mines!

Made me LOL.

LoneLictor wrote:

TheRobotLol wrote:This thread is like a minefield...made of mines!

Made me LOL.

I try

I think you're just skimming what Poppabear's saying LoneLictor, he isn't talking about atheism, but the smugness some atheists, or anyone of any creed, religion, or belief can give off. That "I'm better than you because of this.." kinda thing.

To be honest, it is quite annoying. I'm all for bashing the Vatican and the higher ups of organizations for the stupid or scandalous things they do, but the normal people usually aren't the ones who deserve the scorn and whatnot.

Instead of just talking about and pointing to what's wrong and spewing biased views, we instead look at the problems and converse how to change it? Such a talk might actually give people ideas to start on and eventually change what is wrong.

I had decided not to read this thread any further because i don't like trying to show people the truth over the internet(i don't know who is worth the effort and who isn't) and the arguments from both sides looked pretty pathetic in a lot of cases. But i thought, 'hey, jump back in and see if things have changed.' I didn't get far before i read this:

Chowderhead wrote:So please, before you make attacks against religion, remember that it has been around since the time of the Neanderthals. Both God/Gods worship and science is religion. And science is much easier to poke a hole into than religion. Christianity is a very definite thing, while science is a religion based on guesses.

Now, your a good guy Chowder but this is scary. I hope it's one of your hilarious jokes which you have committed to with gusto, i really do. Whatever the case, i threw up in my mouth.

Casey's Law wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:So please, before you make attacks against religion, remember that it has been around since the time of the Neanderthals. Both God/Gods worship and science is religion. And science is much easier to poke a hole into than religion. Christianity is a very definite thing, while science is a religion based on guesses.

Now, your a good guy Chowder but this is scary. I hope it's one of your hilarious jokes which you have committed to with gusto, i really do. Whatever the case, i threw up in my mouth.

I was saying it gives more of a definite answer to hard questions to the masses than science can.

It also appeals more towards the "Least Common Denominator", if you get what I'm saying.

If you don't, it means Religion will be around for a while because humanity is made mostly up of people without two braincells to rub together, and as long as people like that exist, science will be foreign to them. And if they find solace in a book which is made up of absolutes that are made up of the most cop-out answer ever, "God did it". go ahead. They can be ignorant idiots in a corner. feth them. I'll have my actual answers from science, thank you.

Science is what I call a religion because people treat it as one in debates.

I just did some catch up and you have been very slowly changing your tune as evidence has been presented. Don't disguise that Chowder, it's a good thing. By reading the truth, realising that you were wrong and altering your opinions based on that then you could become a useful components of the human race. Do not pretend that you were simply misunderstood though.

I'm not trying to rat you out or put you down here, mate. I really think it's good that you are taking this stuff on board, stop fighting it though, it's not worth it. Be your own person, it'll be worth a lot to you over the next few years of your life, mate.

Also, science isn't a religion, please don't call it that. Anyone assuming that's what my signature means is making a horrid assumption by the way. What the quote is saying is that science is something we can have faith in. It plugs the whole that religion will leave behind, people need faith, have faith in science. The amazing things is, Huygens said that before the 1700. The fact that people still believe in religion, in the western world at the very least, is an insult to those of us who use our brains for the good of humanity.


I'd also like to point out that anyone calling themselves an atheist has hopefully done so in error. Atheists are just as mind-locked and blind as those who follow any religion. I am an agnostic, maybe a militant agnostic, yes. I am a militant agnostic and religion is a danger to humanity. Religion has had it's day, your faith should be in science.

That's all i have to say on the internet. I stuck around for a second post because Chowder is young and clearly worth taking the time to explain things to.

If anyone would like to discuss things further you'll have to take a pilgrimage to my house where i will present you with tea and guidance. Goodnight.

Casey's Law wrote:

I'd also like to point out that anyone calling themselves an atheist has hopefully done so in error. Atheists are just as mind-locked and blind as those who follow any religion.

Am I? I am a strong believer in the fact there is no God, and that will never change. I don't even mind religious people, and It's not like I go out of my way to go, "OHH GOD IS FAKE, MAAAAN! RELIGION IS STUPID FOOL!!!" I just don't. So tell me, how did I choose my belief in 'error'?

It's called I was trying to be nice. Big difference between trying not to post about how I feel that religion is a scourge on humanity and needs to die by fire ASAP, but not right now, because the majority of people are idiots who would be aimless in their lives without believing in Xenu and his 12 apostles and dancing around the issue so I don't come off as one of scumsuckers who just openly bash religion.

Religion is a great thing-it gives people something to believe in and have hope for. ORGANIZED religion is the problem, where people say "my religion is the only right religion." it's likely that every religion has part of the picture, nobody has the whole thing. See we can all stop fighting-Brian (me) answered it all for you. Pope is wrong, child molesters are wrong, nuns should help people and wear revealing clothing (the hot young ones anyway).

LoneLictor wrote:

Poppabear wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

Poppabear wrote:I also have apologized for the some of the comments I made, at the time I was quite upset, yes there are many problems with the Church, I never denied that. but you guys can keep your smug atheist beliefs to your self and don't have to turn into keyboard warriors and right all your self-righteous bull crap about the Church, The Catholic Church has helped me in many ways, through hardship and heart-ache, and then when people pretty much start saying that it was all wrong or the Catholic Church is full of dickheads. And that's another thing, I have nothing against any other religion, cept I do have slight problem with atheism because of the attitude that comes along with it that a lot of the people have.

Wait, you say to stop insulting your beliefs...

Then you say you have a problem with atheists....

You're a huge hypocrite. But I'm glad that you admitted that the Church has had quite a few problems and that it ain't infallible. That's good.

OMG, fething knew you would take that out of context, I said I had a slight problem, because of the attitude that comes along with it.... kinda like yours. There is no problem with the "belief", but I do have a problem with people thinking their better then everyone else because so.

So again, thanks for proving my point.

The bolded part doesn't make sense. You claim you don't have a problem with atheism. Then you say atheists have attitude problems so you have a problem with them. I'm somewhat confused by this. How can you not have a problem with atheism if you have a problem with it? Ah well.

Also, I'm wondering how, by calling you out on your hypocrisy, I "proved your point", whatever that point might be. And no, I didn't take anything you said out of context. I included the entire paragraph, unedited.

TheRobotLol wrote:This thread is like a minefield...made of mines!

Made me LOL.

Hypocrisy-Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie. You fail to relies what the word means, I suggest looking the up the entire meaning before you go spouting this type of a word. You also fail to relies that your silly and ignorant argument (if one can even call it that any more) is unjust and without merit. You are now at a point where you are just spouting big words in the hopes of actually make some effect. Glad to know I won this argument

You now also fail to relies what I mean by "Little problem with atheism". People have many quarrels with lots of different subjects, but it doesn't mean they despise it all together. Out of all my friends, I am the only religious one, two gay, four atheist, and the rest, well they're not sure. But the thing is with my atheist friends, is that they do not have the same "chip on their shoulder" like you do, and they also do not walk around thinking they know better then every other person that isn't.

You directly attack the heart of my faith, and so I asked, "Please stop saying these things for they are upsetting and offending me and possibly others". I on the other hand, simply made a referral to some atheists that they are "smug" which we all now know is very very true. I never attacked any person, smug isn't even considered an insult. I never attack atheism as a whole nor did I make any hint towards it.

How dare you all me Hypocrite, without even knowing what it fully means. To some people, saying that they are hypocrite is worse then calling them any other thing in the book. You are the most rudest and most selfish person I have ever spoken (typed to).

Until you truly know what Hypocrisy means, you simply cant make any more comments on the Catholic Church.

Cheers ;D.

Yo, Poppabear. Hypocrite. LoneLictor was quite right, and I for one agree with all he has said.

So have to be ashamed of my religon?

TheRobotLol wrote:Yo, Poppabear. Hypocrite. LoneLictor was quite right, and I for one agree with all he has said.

No, Hypocrisy has much more deeper meaning in a religious context, its more then just simply "saying one thing and then doing another" Which I have not done in any circumstance.

Claiming that someone is committing Hypocrisy can be seen as very offensive in someones eyes. That's how it is

I think it is safe to say this post was a violation of Rule #1. Please review the Dakka Rules. MT11

And that is an excellent example of a post we don't need.

I dislike religion, but that doesn't mean I have to be a dick about it.

MrDwhitey wrote:And that is an excellent example of a post we don't need.

Could say the same for you. AND me right now.

Everyone else is tossing their opinions around, why is mine invalid? Also Nazi's ARE terrible role models.