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Saptilladerky wrote:I don't know the Tau or IG dexes that well, but I'm fairly sure the piranha and the Valk aren't tanks, so they aren't allowed to tank shock/ram. I'm going to assume you have a shockprow on the Raider for the example, allowing you to tank shock.

You can tank shock regardless, I'm pretty sure. Being a tank is simply +1 to the strength of the ram.

This is not true. The +1 only takes into account the fact that the other thing you're ramming may not be a tank.

Dawn of War Deployment, Space Wolf player puts runepriest with grey hunters in rhino at 24" mark.

Chaos Space Marine player moves up, Meltas Rhino. RunePriest and Grey hunters are then double lashed into 2 battle cannons, 2 Noise marine templates, and 10 meltas.

Smitty0305 wrote:Dawn of War Deployment, Space Wolf player puts runepriest with grey hunters in rhino at 24" mark.

Chaos Space Marine player moves up, Meltas Rhino. RunePriest and Grey hunters are then double lashed into 2 battle cannons, 2 Noise marine templates, and 10 meltas.

What exactly about this is both unorthodox and successful? It sounds like the SW were unorthodox and failed, and the C:SM were pretty standard for a double lash list.

if it has an AV, it can be rammed.... on a related note, if I rammed a Dreadnought with a raider, would that be assault, tank shock, ram, or all of the above?

In my next match, I'm going to scout move ram with all my valk/vendettas just to see how it goes. I think it would be amazing if it works - the look on the other guys face when his landraider is popped pre-turn 1.

Don't scout moves have to stop 12 inches away from enemy models?

Dang. You're right, I'd forgotten about that.

a man can dream.... a man can dream.

The most terrifyingly awesome thing I have ever seen was a tau unit destroying in close combat.

The guy fielded Commander Farsight and a full 8 suit bodyguard with 16 gun drones and all the bells and whistles. Not only did it annihilate the foot slogging marines it was playing against, but it also managed to kill two assault squads that assaulted it. It easily cost more than 1000 points, in a 1500 point game. It was KP, and the marine player got only one off a squad of fire warriors. His anger when he described it to me was priceless!

I once gave a bunch of trooped wrack's raiders just so the raiders can ram with aithersails. My opponent was not amused when when I made all my flickerfield saves death or glory AND the S 10 hit back and messed up over half of his vehicles I still lost but it was hilarious to have 6 raiders do this simeultaneously.

papathrax wrote:if it has an AV, it can be rammed.... on a related note, if I rammed a Dreadnought with a raider, would that be assault, tank shock, ram, or all of the above?

In my next match, I'm going to scout move ram with all my valk/vendettas just to see how it goes. I think it would be amazing if it works - the look on the other guys face when his landraider is popped pre-turn 1.

You can ram anything in the game that is an enemy model. The fact that you're using models that aren't allowed to ram, is what's going on. Read up on Tanks/Tank Shock (BRB page 68-69). Tanks are special kinds of vehicles that can tank shock and ram. Vehicles cannot do this unless they have a special piece of war gear (shock prow for DE Raider) or a special rule.


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As for the dreadnought thing, since it's a vehicle, you'd ram. Buuuuut, it's allowed to take it as a ram or Death or Glory, Dreadnought's player's choice.

Not sure why you'd think it would be assault, though.

I once ripped a force weapon off of an opponent’s Liberian and then ate it so he couldn't use it in the upcoming assault.

I won, but the prefincast (metal) force weapon ended up perforating my colon and I nearly died of sepsis.

Also the opponent’s mother slapped me for making her son cry, which was weird because the dude was at least 30.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I once ripped a force weapon off of an opponent’s Liberian and then ate it so he couldn't use it in the upcoming assault.

I won, but the prefincast (metal) force weapon ended up perforating my colon and I nearly died of sepsis.

Also the opponent’s mother slapped me for making her son cry, which was weird because the dude was at least 30.

There is no part of this that I believe.

Edit: Deleted for wrong info. See below for correct rule interpertations.

Although I am still not sure about the strength calculation as there is a specific formulat and it contradicts page 6 as far as I can tell but I'll relent that I may just be reading it wrong.

#3 I do not agree with as you are allowed to count the base for purposes of assault so I think it would count for measuring ramming on page 71. If there is a specific reference that says you ignore the base, please point it out for me. I do not see it and would have applied the page 71 rule set for it as it make sense.

That's about as wrong as it gets.

1. Ramming strength can not go above 10. Besides being explicitly stated so in the rules for ramming, strength(or any other stat value) can never go above 10 for any reason.
2. You must be able to tank shock to be able to ram, because ramming is nothing but a special kind of tank shock. Only tanks and vehicles with special upgrades may ram.
3. It is all but impossible to ram a valk (or any model on a large flyer base) with anything but a super-heavy tank, as their base is ignored for purposes of ramming. You have to contact their hull in order to ram.
4. Any model touched during a ram is automatically tank shocked. The "stopping 1" away" stuff you explained is not a rule.

Q: Must a vehicle be able to perform a tank shock in
order to perform a ramming attack? (p69)
A: Yes.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I once ripped a force weapon off of an opponent’s Liberian and then ate it so he couldn't use it in the upcoming assault.

I won, but the prefincast (metal) force weapon ended up perforating my colon and I nearly died of sepsis.

Also the opponent’s mother slapped me for making her son cry, which was weird because the dude was at least 30.

Were you by any chance playing Little Lord Fauntleroy?

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I once ripped a force weapon off of an opponent’s Liberian and then ate it so he couldn't use it in the upcoming assault.

I won, but the prefincast (metal) force weapon ended up perforating my colon and I nearly died of sepsis.

Also the opponent’s mother slapped me for making her son cry, which was weird because the dude was at least 30.

Were you by any chance playing Little Lord Fauntleroy?

Not sure if serious, but...

THAT IMAGE IS POORLY PUNCTUATED!

HERESY! *BLAM*

I wasn't actually joking. Anyone here could be anybody. But now I know...

BlapBlapBlap wrote:THAT IMAGE IS POORLY PUNCTUATED!

HERESY! *BLAM*

Not to post the same thing twice in a row, but...
Not sure if serious, but...

Thats the joke.

papathrax wrote:if it has an AV, it can be rammed.... on a related note, if I rammed a Dreadnought with a raider, would that be assault, tank shock, ram, or all of the above?

In my next match, I'm going to scout move ram with all my valk/vendettas just to see how it goes. I think it would be amazing if it works - the look on the other guys face when his landraider is popped pre-turn 1.

It is a ram, but the dreadnought has a few special rules.

I think it is always hit on the front armour, unless it tries a death or glory in which case it is hit on the side/rear...not sure about that...anybody?

I guess people don't often use vehicles as battering rams, and that is a favorite tactic of mine, a 250 point battering ram (LR)

Just this weekend I used two lash princes on a unit of 15 necron warriors with 2 mind shackle lords with warscythes and res orb.

The princes both lashed the necrons and he failed his roll to stop it from the gloom spyder.

I think I rolled a 9 and a 7 for movement, so I moved his necrons 16 inches toward my units. But I did it in a conga line, moved one necron warrior the full distance, then another behind, then another. Left both his lords the full 16 inches away. Actually I think I shoved them back even further since with 17 models in the unit I had room to spare.

Then I assaulted the warriors with a prince, a diminished berzerker squad, and two units of plague marines. After WBB rolls he had to pass his leadership test on a -1.

And people say lash is dead! Bah....

Dayvuni wrote:I guess people don't often use vehicles as battering rams, and that is a favorite tactic of mine, a 250 point battering ram (LR)

You could do more damage for the same cost with 5 LS!

Proton Torpedo AWAY!

AHh the ram. I lost a Land Raider while attempting to ram a Wave Serpent recently. I like to occasionally change up what the opponent thinks I'll bring. EG, Shooting Blood Angels.
I wont discuss the time I tried all drop troop guard (4th ed) with disastrous effects ( I drew three games vs Khorne Zerker bike and Daemon spam.)

Passive aggressive assault. It's beautiful.

I brought Castellan Creed just to outflank a group full of 40 Guardsmen with a Commissar. My second troop choice were Penal Legion also outflanking. Penal Legion came in on turn 3 and wiped out a Tau Fire Warriors squad in melee, than proceeded to attack a Tyranid unit (like a Zoenthrope but could suck your souls out with a leadership test?) in melee. The result was all of them dieing but taking it down, with only the Warden left. The Warden then proceeded to live till the end of the game! The blob came on the field turn 5, and I used them in assault (no commands, no power weapons) to kill a broadside with 2 drones and a tau commander with 2 drones. Twas a glorious site.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I once ripped a force weapon off of an opponent’s Liberian and then ate it so he couldn't use it in the upcoming assault.

I won, but the prefincast (metal) force weapon ended up perforating my colon and I nearly died of sepsis.

Also the opponent’s mother slapped me for making her son cry, which was weird because the dude was at least 30.

Not sure if trolling...

BUT THAT IS FETHING AWESOME!!!!!!!

BlapBlapBlap wrote:One day I want to run an Apoc game and pack in as many DC and Stormravens as I can, complete with a Chaplain in EVERY SQUAD.

I EAT PAIN.

I think those are called Angry Marines.

Very Angry Marines, in this case. :O

Crazyterran wrote:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:One day I want to run an Apoc game and pack in as many DC and Stormravens as I can, complete with a Chaplain in EVERY SQUAD.

I EAT PAIN.

I think those are called Angry Marines.

Very Angry Marines, in this case. :O

Apoc Angry Marines vs. Apoc Reasonable Marines.

I saw a single fire warrior squad leader charge 3 PF termies and 1 with a power sword, power sword failed to do anything. Tau guy has great rolls hit and wounds with 2 out of 3 attacks and opponent rolled double 1s on 2 PF termies, then failed to hit with the remaining PF, lost combat failed leadership and initiative test and rolled double 1s again squad wipe...

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:One day I want to run an Apoc game and pack in as many DC and Stormravens as I can, complete with a Chaplain in EVERY SQUAD.

I EAT PAIN.

I think those are called Angry Marines.

Very Angry Marines, in this case. :O

Apoc Angry Marines vs. Apoc Reasonable Marines.

Angry Marines would crash one or two battle barges into the field of battle if they started to lose, yet still have the same battle barges for the next engagement.

Reasonable Marines would try to convince the Angry Marines not to fight, but of course would get pelted with insults. If the Reasonable Marines started to lose, they'd just fall back.

Or, if it's on the table top, an army of two double CCW marines vs an army of bolter army marines. >.>