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I miss my Silver Fangs for sure. WtA for life!

(I also loved the Year of the Lotus stuff for WtA, Hengeyokai was awesome fun!)

Hehe, yeah big fan of the Lotus stuff as well. Hell, the Warder of the Sept of the Green in my version of the WoD is a Russian Khan, summer auspice.

Since the Hengeyokai were released, I never play anything BUT Kitsune in old WoD.


We have a very lax group when it comes to what's allowed(out of 6 players in our Gehenna campaign, only 4 were actually Vampires).

That was something I enjoyed about Hengayokai, was allowing players a variety of options in what they wanted to play.

I ran a similar idea when I ran a game set in high school with everyone pre-Change/Awakening/Chrysallis (whatever the Changeling thing was called). Amazingly enough, noone wanted to play a vampire in a game set in Arizona!

I'm tempted, but I literally have all the old W:tA books and updating a setting is easily enough. I really want to simply because I enjoy White Wolf, but with Mummy: The Curse and whatnot I'm struggling to justify this one.

Well the first two additional stretch goals have been reached. So thats a new Storyteller Screen we can add, and a second PDF novel.
Although I'll be waiting for both to get a POD version, as I'm not a big electronic reader.

They are working on the next stretch goals atm, and apparently are going to adding some new reward tiers where a character of your own making will get into the story some how.

Will be interested to see how much they value that, just out of curiosity.

Thought I'd do a quick update. Well so far its gone pretty well, they are over 210K, we have two novels on the cards, both PDF format at the mo for free, but I hope we'll see a PoD version eventually.

We can also add a Storytellers W20 screen to our pledges for $10 if a actual hardback book (or metal case one) has been ordered.

Next stretch is at $220K and its for a apple based dice rolling app. Not the most exciting thing to be honest in my opinion, but at the rate folks are pledging we should hit with ten days to go.

Hopefully something more exciting may yet follow.

Don't think the apple app was an excellent idea, since not everybody has an apple mobile device, would have been better if had been on all devices, that stretch goal seemed to have
been added with little or no thought probably rushed it in to keep the money flowing.

Just my 2 pence worth.

What I've seen happen with such apps in the past is that they're announced for either iOS or Android at first and then they end up in both app stores. That said, the app is quite a dud. There are myriad existing (including free) apps that allow one to roll d10s. The metal book thing is so utterly ridiculous, and now this boring "goal," plus the lame V20 tiers (as I mentioned above, some time ago) is not giving the best impression of Rich's use of Kickstarter. But with these funding rates, WW has no incentive to learn anything. I'll be very curious to see how Mummy goes given they can't rely on nostalgia, at least not to the same degree.

 Manchu wrote:
The metal book thing is so utterly ridiculous

I want one that I can use to threaten unruly players with, but not at that price.

I can't even imagine what they are think at over $300 for a book.

A good example of where Rich fails with this kind of thing is the tie in novel reward. $250 for a mention of a character of your choice in the new anthology is about right, I'd not do it, but I'm sure they'll all be sold out by the end.

However the higher single option, where the character of your choosing appears as a key character in a story, even if its only a short story was shockingly undervalued. At $420 it wasn't even a consideration, just the first to type in their details got it. It would have gone just as quickly as a $1000 reward, and possible gone at $2000, much more likely than that, game over skype nonsense they keep pushing as the premium reward.

There was a similar one on one of he V20 kickstarters, where he undervalued something badly. I'll go check when I have some time.

Next stretch goal was added and has been beaten, so it is now sitting at $250K, and we will all receive a Wild West update PDF, which should be an interesting read.

Also I have played Wild West a few times, so that is a stretch goal I can put to use which is a bonus.

Six days to go, will be wondering what comes up next.

probably the last update before the kickstarter finishes, if they reach 300k they will release a Werewolf Translation Guide PDF for swapping between WtF and WtA.


But the big pull is this for me and possibly Morathi is you will get a copy of the White Howlers Tribebook PDF if they reach 300k. Never before have we dared to present the tragic tribe that turned to the Wyrm in Tribebook form- specifically in a 64 page book modeled on the original Tribebooks. And if we pass $315,000 we'll also add in an 8 page White Howler comic to the Tribebook.

Are all these PDFs really that exciting? I get that last one, since this apparently something of a mystery, but even then aren't you a little anxious they might "get it wrong"?

I wonder what kind of stretch goals they will offer for MtC, considering they cannot reach back to a preexisting product line.

The Wild West and White Howlers are cool, really the only stretch goals I've cared about. I'm still on the fence about the screen, I'll probably flip a coin tomorrow after work.

 Manchu wrote:
Are all these PDFs really that exciting? I get that last one, since this apparently something of a mystery, but even then aren't you a little anxious they might "get it wrong"?

I wonder what kind of stretch goals they will offer for MtC, considering they cannot reach back to a preexisting product line.

Well of all of them the White howlers is nice, as for the others' I can take them or leave them.

I suppose with the PDFs' as you said it is alright if they have a preexisting catalog to fall back on, I do feel that Onyx path/White wolf rely on nostalgic value for their products
which will begin to fail them once they hit the newer lines, then they could face a uphill struggle on kickstarter.

I just sold my 2nd ed V:tm collection (hardcover rules, players, storytellers, various clanbooks and stuff) because I hadn't played it in about a decade and had no desire to. The guy got a great deal on it.

While I did enjoy the game when it was out, and for the several years we played it for, it has been gathering dust on my bookshelf for years and was not in any danger of being used.
Its time has definitely passed.

I've kept my "Kindred most wanted" and other large format books from Vamp, though. Nobody wanted them and the art is kinda cool.

The White Howlers stuff should be an interesting read. They are almost back in some fashion in my own setting anyways, thanks to a rebirth of sorts via player interaction and a general storyline that had been going on for a number of years.

I'll be interested in seeing how it looks in comparison, and ideas on how the tribe functioned before the fall would be useful.

My only issue is the PDF nature, as I've noted before I'm a stickler for having actual books in my hands. So I will download and reference the PDF thankfully, but I will really be hoping a for a PoD on Drivethru asap.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I'm a stickler for having actual books in my hands

Same here, which is why my eyes glaze over every time Rich says "PDF" -- which is very, very often. With MtC, I'd like to see something more tangible. Maybe Kickstarter-specific MtC d10s or something?

 Manchu wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I'm a stickler for having actual books in my hands

Same here, which is why my eyes glaze over every time Rich says "PDF" -- which is very, very often. With MtC, I'd like to see something more tangible. Maybe Kickstarter-specific MtC d10s or something?

Every time Rich say PDF, my mind instantly translates it to "copies that I'll spend hundreds of my own dollars buying printer ink and paper to have a hard copy of". Then I blank because I don't want to think of the cost of binding or the hours I'd spend putting them all into those binder sheets(whichever is more economical).

 Manchu wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I'm a stickler for having actual books in my hands

Same here, which is why my eyes glaze over every time Rich says "PDF" -- which is very, very often. With MtC, I'd like to see something more tangible. Maybe Kickstarter-specific MtC d10s or something?

...the d10s will also be in PDF form.

 Bromsy wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I'm a stickler for having actual books in my hands

Same here, which is why my eyes glaze over every time Rich says "PDF" -- which is very, very often. With MtC, I'd like to see something more tangible. Maybe Kickstarter-specific MtC d10s or something?

...the d10s will also be in PDF form.

Don't even joke about that.

With WW, there's no need to joke!

Well with Rich going offline thanks to Gaia and still not back yet, its a waiting game to see the final tallies.

It seems from estimates, we had enough folks take up the Heavy Metal edition that it will be getting made, but in general it was a really good Kickstarter compare to previous ones.

Still think he could have got more pledges playing the Kickstarter game with t-shirts, dice and the like, but they made their call, and in the end I am just happy to be getting the book.

The only other shame is Rich being offline for the last 24hrs of the Kickstarter probably meant we missed out on at least one, or two potential stretch goals.

In case anyone other than me was still wondering:

Rich Thomas wrote:We’re starting to get a bit caught up, with the exception of big projects like Mummy

Rich Thomas wrote:- Mummy the Curse is still coming to me as a 2nd proof. Our designer’s computer woes continue as his OS needed to be reinstalled. Never name a book with a hostile title. This is a Curse, the Eternal Struggle was actually that, etc. Still pulling together the KS.

From November 20

On the Onyx path facebook page, saying Mummy Kickstarter will start Tomorrow at Noon.

Here we go!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/mummy-the-curse-core-rulebook?ref=recently_launched


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So it's not a Kickstarter for a deluxe edition ...

.. until after it reaches a $30k goal?

What the feth is wrong with Rich Thomas???

Odd call, I assume its due to a lack of confidence compared to the retro call WoD books?

Although I would still expect it to walk the 30k and beyond, 23days seems a strange choice as well.

It's hard to imagine they don't have confidence in the $30k mark -- after all, they chose it. So it makes me wonder, how much more would the goal need to be in order to run it as a Deluxe Edition Kickstarter? And if it's significantly higher, then I am worried that each stretch goal will only make the edition very superficially better. So, for example, if they would have needed a $100k goal to run a Deluxe Edition KS, then what deluxe features will be available for reaching the $40k mark? I mean, doing a third more than your goal is very significant. But you would still be $60k away from doing something like the V20 Deluxe Edition. At that point, I don't think pledgers (for fun, let's actually call them investors) are seeing much return on that further $10k.

The other possibility is that they only needed a $50k or $60k goal to do a Deluxe Kickstarter but had no confidence that enough people would pledge at the $120 level for something that wasn't VtM or WtA. But that seems ridiculous. We're only talking about around 500 people and I bet there are 500 people who would spend $120 on a V20-quality book from WW. If not, then the company might as well dissolve now.


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 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
23days seems a strange choice as well.

Yeah it does. Stranger yet:

Rich Thomas wrote:There is no normal for a Kickstarter project- 30 days is recommended, but we're trying a slightly shorter time period until Jan 10th in part because the overall project already has a group of fans interested and excited about it, so we think we actually need less time to get the word out.

So many people know about it that we can cut seven days? Is seven days on the front end really worth that much time on the back? Physical delivery is currently scheduled for March 2013. If the KS ran seven more days, would delivery be April 2013? Later?

Onyx Path is a small company that seems dependent on crowd sourcing. Given that, I'd like to see them treat their funders more like investors than fans. Fans get to give feedback but are guaranteed nothing. I'm not saying that funders should be treated exactly like investors, like they shouldn't have that ownership and the decision-making rights that come with it. But some transparency on issues like the missing seven days and the piecemeal approach to a deluxe edition are sorely needed rather than half-explanations like "we think enough people are interested already."