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Cadaver wrote:At least Pretre is compiling a list for all the rumormongers, so hopefully these shenanigans won't be so quickly forgotten when the next big release is on the horizon.

Muahahahahahahahaha

And then I will have my REVENGE!

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

greenbay924 wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:No idea how to take this, my gut is saying just to sit back and wait, however we are now getting very close to when we should expect to see 6th on the horizon.

As someone has already noted in this thread and something I have said myself several times in recent months, will GW actually release 6th with only the week or so notice they have been using the past year.

This would be terrible, what about all of us who need ample time to set funds aside and preorder what will most likely be a $70+ book? (based off fantasy 8th). Not to mention if they do collector's edition. I really, really hate GW's release philosophy of "let's do no advertising, no promotions, no nothing! That'll sell models!" If I knew what armies were on the horizon, or rules changes, I could plan finances accordingly, as it stands it's more like "dang, those new necrons are nice, too bad I need to eat this week or I would have totally ordered some."

Aye, pretty much why I've been raising it. I cannot quite believe GW would be daft enough to spring such a large release out of the blue. For individual armies, codexes and like maybe thats just about fine, but a whole edition change, nah, surely not. Also taking into account collectors/limited editions etc it really seems crazy to me that they may do this.

I am wondering though, We'll know with the next White Dwarf, because at the very least the White Dwarf before 8th Fantasy came out advertised it, and I think preorders for the limited bits came online the week after the June White Dwarf came out.

Lightbulb moment- beasts has alluded to getting a look at June white dwarf (without actually saying it) and put "smart money" on July 7 as 6th Ed release day. Could this mean there is an actual announcement in June's WD? I guess we will find out in 9 days....

pretre wrote:

Cadaver wrote:At least Pretre is compiling a list for all the rumormongers, so hopefully these shenanigans won't be so quickly forgotten when the next big release is on the horizon.

Muahahahahahahahaha

And then I will have my REVENGE!

Really? PLEASE tell me you are seriously doing this, and doing some good research, and trying to get the MODs to sticky this at the top of News & Rumors. I think it is a fantastic idea, as long as everyone keeps it rational and sober, and not an occasion for finger-pointing or name-calling or general trolling or flaming.

Please MODs! Let this kind of past history/reliability database be made and stickied!

-C6

IMO, I think GW has finally figured out how to handle leaks and rumors... Flood the community with false information and we'll have no idea what to believe... I have no clue what's real anymore. Up is down, Obama is republican... WTF is going on?

I'm waiting to see something concrete.

catharsix wrote:Really? PLEASE tell me you are seriously doing this, and doing some good research, and trying to get the MODs to sticky this at the top of News & Rumors. I think it is a fantastic idea, as long as everyone keeps it rational and sober, and not an occasion for finger-pointing or name-calling or general trolling or flaming.

Please MODs! Let this kind of past history/reliability database be made and stickied!

-C6

It's under Discussions: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/448304.page

Is it time for the next TURTLE SOUP crusade?

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Never mind, there's no chat room

reps0l wrote:

catharsix wrote:Really? PLEASE tell me you are seriously doing this, and doing some good research, and trying to get the MODs to sticky this at the top of News & Rumors. I think it is a fantastic idea, as long as everyone keeps it rational and sober, and not an occasion for finger-pointing or name-calling or general trolling or flaming.

Please MODs! Let this kind of past history/reliability database be made and stickied!

-C6

It's under Discussions: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/448304.page

Thanks! I went over there to put in a post of support.

-C6

catharsix wrote:
Thanks! I went over there to put in a post of support.

-C6

Yeah, I tried to get it kept in N&R, but it was almost immediately moved. Maybe if it takes off a bit more, we can get a sticky in N&R.

Thanks for the support though, C6!

And Mods, feel free to move it back and sticky it. I'll be good, I promise.

Glasses dude looks really uncomfortable on camera. It really shows when he makes the mistake of not taking the wound on his Sargent. It's the only model in the terminator unit without a powerfist. That's just bad play.

:edit: These people do not belong on camera. It's like a pile of Ben Stillers being smug.

That video was rage inducing in terms of how they dithered and danced around the topic. I shouldn't have to listen to your rumour video for four minutes before you start explaining the actual rumour!

As regards the rule, it sounds daft. Surely the whole point is that my opponent shoots at my unit over the course of its move, and thus losing 3 models from the back 'row' reflects the squad closing ranks as it advances under fire? Maybe it is because I'm an Ork player, and I love flamers on my marines, but it really doesn't please me all that much. It sounds like a great way to make the rules become over-literal in terms of firing at stuff.

Its ineresting that BoW is still so poular, I stopped watching their videos months ago.

Challenges sounds fun, especially for me that has Orks, Chaos Marines and Space Wolves.

Can't stand BoW. Can't stand their approach to "reporting".
It reminds me of much that I dislike about gamers, and gaming when I watch them.
I'd prefer to ignore them all together, which I have been doing a fairly good job of till right now.
However, I haven't watched the video, so I still consider myself pure as the driven snow.
XD

Unlike with the casualty removal rumor, challenges, if written well could definitely improve the game because they are indeed more cinematic, which is typically a good thing and they can actually speed up gameplay by not making it important exactly where your IC is located in combat, which I thought was quite a bit silly given the fairly abstract nature of combat casualty removal. I also like that it sounds like you can refuse a challenge as a way to potentially save your IC from being stomped on, presumably at the cost of that IC not fighting that round (which is a fair trade-off) and gives you a little protection for your non-powerhouse ICs.

Of course the real big questions about such a rule would be exactly what models are allowed to challenge or be challenged (just ICs or what about upgrade characters too?), how many challenges can be issued and which player gets to challenge first (or issue the one and only challenge if only one is allowed per combat).

All of those questions will surely be answered by the rulebook, or failing that the FAQ, or failing that a judgement by INAT.

I could see this slowing down battles a tiny bit but make it so much more cinematic as the guys in the front get gunned down first. It also kinda makes sense that the sarge would be in the back.
I'm perfectly fine with putting my nob in the middle-rear so that by the time I charge, it looks like the nob's stepping up to the plate to wreck face.

If this pans out, then nobody in their right mind will be accepting Necron challenges, because every Lord/Overlord will be carrying Mindshackle Scarabs.
:/

Chowderhead wrote:This is so silly. 6th edition will not be Warhammer Fantasy 40,000.

40k and Fantasy are designed to be nothing alike. If they were to be similar, GW has failed.

Fantasy and 40k have lots in common. In 2nd ed you could technically play a 40k army against a Fantasy army without too much trouble, although they wouldn't be balanced for each other whatsoever. If 40k and Fantasy were meant to be nothing alike, they wouldn't share so many of the same archetypes or have Warhammer in the name.

I actually like the challenging rumor. I think it's very cool, and very, very 40k.

matphat wrote:Can't stand BoW. Can't stand their approach to "reporting".
It reminds me of much that I dislike about gamers, and gaming when I watch them.
I'd prefer to ignore them all together, which I have been doing a fairly good job of till right now.
However, I haven't watched the video, so I still consider myself pure as the driven snow.
XD

If you hate gamers and gaming why do you comment at all? All you are is a gamer if you play. Please put things constructive and not flaming, it just makes you look like a fool as well as any work you ever post.

On topic: BoW style is their own, they are hitting hard on a newsreporting fashion that is decent. I will say that once again they don't seem to get flack from GW so I would say that they are in cahoots with them. My opinion and is not backed by any hard evidence.

That said, making the game more realistic makes me happy, no more "my priest is going to sit in the back hiding" or "my IC will charge the weakest member so that it will live!" It becomes what I will somewhat enjoy and that is thd ability to build fluff!


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The fact thaf yakface himself commented says enough and I do strongly agree with him. (one of the few times I do)

Lepuke wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:
What if the debunking of the pancake edition is simply obfuscation? Why would the GW team scrap a good ruleset that was HUGELY accepted by the internet community in favor of just modifying their 8th ed fantasy book to include plasma guns and bolters, etc? Sure, the pancake could use tweaks (keep the turn order the same, for example) but overall working off that set of rules would make more sense than starting fresh and giving us Warhammer FantasyK. I'm at a loss, but I will be watching the Beasts of War site now to see what else they have to throw at us regarding 6th.

My thoughts exactly, the way they debunked pancake was always a bit fishy, It pretty much overnight shutdown most of the momentum and hype of pancake which is exactly what GW would have wanted.

+1 to that. I think we will see a lot of pancake in the new rulebook (crosses fingers).

skoffs wrote:If this pans out, then nobody in their right mind will be accepting Necron challenges, because every Lord/Overlord will be carrying Mindshackle Scarabs.
:/

Aye, and this is just about the reason why I would seriously doubt the challenges bit. (But I'll still hope... )

I really don't understand how people think this will "slow the game down". Wound allocation is the slowest system they've ever developed for handling mixed equipment and it's easily the most exploitable. Almost anything would be an improvement on both fronts. I always hated the idea of taking wounds from the back. If it's assumed that the guys in back just push forward to replace the losses than why don't they just get two more inches of movement in the first place?

It's illogical to think that it somehow "makes sense".

I don't feel its more realistic at all. You have to consider you have to hit. That means bullets are flying by the front ranks of models. Then you have to wound those models that you hit. Just because you might hit the front rank doesn't mean that you wound the front rank. The same could be said for the bullets that get by the front rank. You could have hit them and wounded them. But now the front row dies? That does not make sense.

I honestly am very concerned with 6th edition. I have not heard alot of anything that I like about it. This whole 40k fantasy match up is just plan dumb. If I wanted to play fantasy I would play fantasy. I have tried fantasy and I must say I don't like it. From 6th to 8th I just can't get into it.

I honestly hope this is all fake.

I don't feel its more realistic at all. You have to consider you have to hit. That means bullets are flying by the front ranks of models. Then you have to wound those models that you hit. Just because you might hit the front rank doesn't mean that you wound the front rank. The same could be said for the bullets that get by the front rank. You could have hit them and wounded them. But now the front row dies? That does not make sense.

As opposed to one guy taking three melta gun hits while everyone else takes a few meaningless bolter rounds? Or the guy in the far back taking kennedys magic bullet to the head while the special weapon and power fist dudes are effectively immune to death until they get lonely?

It's the most realistic system they've developed so far.

Oh I don't think that what they have is the best, its needs improvement. I am just not so sure this is the right thing to do. It really doesn't make sense to me. But nothing that has come down the rumor mill has.

Challenges....really!?

I can see a Tau Ethereal challenging a Demon Prince. Yeah right! Or that Tau Ethereal actually accepting that challenge. Its a waste of space in a rulebook. I don't see many people actually accepting it. When you can do that allready by moving your HQ into base with said HQ.

But I am just going to wait and see what the deal is.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:Oh I don't think that what they have is the best, its needs improvement. I am just not so sure this is the right thing to do. It really doesn't make sense to me. But nothing that has come down the rumor mill has.

Challenges....really!?

I can see a Tau Ethereal challenging a Demon Prince. Yeah right! Or that Tau Ethereal actually accepting that challenge. Its a waste of space in a rulebook. I don't see many people actually accepting it. When you can do that allready by moving your HQ into base with said HQ.

But I am just going to wait and see what the deal is.

You mean you've never wanted your Space Marine captain to duel your opponent's Autarch? Your Warboss to duel their Chaos Lord? That stuff is awesome. Big clashes of heroes is one of 40k's biggest enduring images. This would give you a bit more of an option, as you can call out their HQ or vice versa, regardless of where they are in the unit. Characters aren't always exactly where you want them you know. Besides, I'm sure you can move your character into base contact and have it work just like it does already. That is, of course, if any of this is true which is still up in the air.

Actually no. This isn't hero hammer even though it has seemed like that the past couple of years. I play Orks I use Meks. So no I don't want them in CC. My HQ's are there because I have to have them. Nothing more then that. Meks are better for there KFF then they would ever be in CC.

I honestly think it would always be one sided, just like fantasy is. I have never seen a good match up with fantasy when this is done. Its always a Unit leader to an uber Lord unit. Its a waste of time and effort for the weaker side.

Now whether their will be a negative I am not sure. But I can tell you it does not make me happy about it for sure.

Anyone notice that ghazgull is supposed to have 7 attacks? That implies... there is an auto counter charge? Or is this supposed to be an error cause it'd be a pretty huge change.

Charge orks with CSM terminator squad. Suddenly MANZ get 4 powerfist attacks each. What?

They aren't too good at the rules.

They mention Forceweaponing Ghaz down too, which he is immune to

Ghaz has 5 Attacks if he's being charged, and 7 if he's charging.


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Meganobz have 3 PK attacks, 4 if charging.

I think they may have gotten lost as to who was charging who

Yeah this idea is terrible since it pretty much allows the enemy to snipe any model IC or otherwise simply with good positioning. The only bright side is that IG storm troopers can be used as suicide assassination squads now by deepstriking with some plasma guns and a pistol and popping an expensive IC from behind his troop shield.