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dæl wrote:Not really, you motivate people with things other than sticks, you forget the large majority of the world has bugger all of its profits.

And strangely enough those "have nots" will openly resent and even resort to violence against the "have tos" when they try to help them and improve their way of living... Its a strange thing, the human race...

PhantomViper wrote:

dæl wrote:Not really, you motivate people with things other than sticks, you forget the large majority of the world has bugger all of its profits.

And strangely enough those "have nots" will openly resent and even resort to violence against the "have tos" when they try to help them and improve their way of living... Its a strange thing, the human race...

What are you referring to?

dæl wrote:Not really, you motivate people with things other than sticks, you forget the large majority of the world has bugger all of its profits.

Sorry but thats capitalism...

Frazzled wrote:

dæl wrote:Not really, you motivate people with things other than sticks, you forget the large majority of the world has bugger all of its profits.

Sorry but thats capitalism...

Capitalism will maintain and exaggerate the current unequal status quo forever.

dæl wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

dæl wrote:Not really, you motivate people with things other than sticks, you forget the large majority of the world has bugger all of its profits.

And strangely enough those "have nots" will openly resent and even resort to violence against the "have tos" when they try to help them and improve their way of living... Its a strange thing, the human race...

What are you referring to?

I'm saying that better living conditions aren't the same motivators for some cultures as they are for ours. A large chunk of the human population of the world would be quite prepared to give up all of the "worlds profits" if doing otherwise would meant messing up with their religion, for example.

Others would gladly have nothing themselves as long as their neighbours were suffering just as badly.

Others would gladly let children die of starvation if in return they would have just a little bit more wealth!

If humanity doesn't have a common "global" motivator, then if becomes quite difficult to implement a global political solution either it is capitalism or communism.

There is a reason why the term "utopia" came from a work of fiction you know.

PhantomViper wrote:
I'm saying that better living conditions aren't the same motivators for some cultures as they are for ours. A large chunk of the human population of the world would be quite prepared to give up all of the "worlds profits" if doing otherwise would meant messing up with their religion, for example.

Others would gladly have nothing themselves as long as their neighbours were suffering just as badly.

Others would gladly let children die of starvation if in return they would have just a little bit more wealth!

If humanity doesn't have a common "global" motivator, then if becomes quite difficult to implement a global political solution either it is capitalism or communism.

There is a reason why the term "utopia" came from a work of fiction you know.

So anything that you didn't just make up on the spot? I dont see one instance there of those "have nots" openly resenting and even resorting to violence against the "have tos" when they try to help them and improve their way of living.

dæl wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
I'm saying that better living conditions aren't the same motivators for some cultures as they are for ours. A large chunk of the human population of the world would be quite prepared to give up all of the "worlds profits" if doing otherwise would meant messing up with their religion, for example.

Others would gladly have nothing themselves as long as their neighbours were suffering just as badly.

Others would gladly let children die of starvation if in return they would have just a little bit more wealth!

If humanity doesn't have a common "global" motivator, then if becomes quite difficult to implement a global political solution either it is capitalism or communism.

There is a reason why the term "utopia" came from a work of fiction you know.

So anything that you didn't just make up on the spot? I dont see one instance there of those "have nots" openly resenting and even resorting to violence against the "have tos" when they try to help them and improve their way of living.

WTH? I try to have a reasonable argument and am instantly accused of lying and making things up?!

It is not that hard to find evidence of this type of behaviour, you really just have to open a newspaper to find reports of humanitarian aid teams being attacked by the populations that they are trying to help ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_humanitarian_workers ).

Somalia.

What, people die in warzones and from terrorist attacks and landmines? Well colour me surprised.

I didn't accuse you of lying, I accused you of making a statement without thinking it through and then trying to justify it by making other random points. Not once did you mention attacks on humanitarian workers, which would have backed up your original statement.

It looks nothing like him.