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carmachu wrote:

yakface wrote:
Hey they finally fixed Ork Tankbustas. If a vehicle isn't within range or LOS now you get to choose your target normally (about time).

Also Flashgitz got 'ignore cover' added to their shots since 'Gitfinda' is now a pointless piece of gear.

thats pretty good. But the question I have after reading:

Nob bikers are only instagibbed by S10? AND they can still take cybork/FNP rolls even from powerfist attacks? Did I read that right?

You did, but I think you'll find the new wound allocation rules does reign them in a bit.

carmachu wrote:

yakface wrote:
Hey they finally fixed Ork Tankbustas. If a vehicle isn't within range or LOS now you get to choose your target normally (about time).

Also Flashgitz got 'ignore cover' added to their shots since 'Gitfinda' is now a pointless piece of gear.

thats pretty good. But the question I have after reading:

Nob bikers are only instagibbed by S10? AND they can still take cybork/FNP rolls even from powerfist attacks? Did I read that right?

Yes you got that right. Bikes have real toughness bonuses now. So you need S10 weapons to instagib them, and only S10 weapons ignore the 5+ FNP.

yakface wrote:

labmouse42 wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:So Ahriman is level 4 mastery? (Staff + Mark)

That would be bad ass. Eldrad and Tigarias are level 3.

Again, people don't seem to be comprehending what Psychic Mastery level is. You don't get to take Mastery level and then add other rules that allow you to cast additional powers.

As explained in the rulebook, in older codexes (ones that don't list mastery level) psychic master level is equal to the number of powers the model was already allowed to cast.

Ahriman was previously allowed to cast 3 powers so his mastery level is 3.

This isn't rocket science.

well that must be wrong, as a sorceror is lvl 1, mark give him an extra casting, by that logic since he could only cast once before the mark does nothing other than add to his inv save.

plus the FAQ now over rules Ari's rules and give him a mastery level, Eldrads FAQ also states it includes the bonus to his mastery level but Ari's doesnt, logical conclusion is that is was intentional and he gains +1 for the mark.

OR!!!!! its just another case of GW no being consistent

yakface wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I wish, but the FAQ listed him as PM3, So it's likely from the staff itself, with the mark giving him the boost up to 4.

Again, he was only able to cast 3 power previously so his mastery level is 3.

The Mark of Tzeentch was never cumulative with his Staff's ability, the Staff's ability simply trumped the benefit provided by the MoT.

Damn, guess I have to be placated by the fact that Thousand Son Psykers can now purchase the cheapest power and get rolls in the books powers.

yakface wrote:As explained in the rulebook, in older codexes (ones that don't list mastery level) psychic master level is equal to the number of powers the model was already allowed to cast.

This puts him in line with the other 2. It seems that the most powerful psykers in the universe are listed as level 3.

Formosa wrote:

yakface wrote:

labmouse42 wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:So Ahriman is level 4 mastery? (Staff + Mark)

That would be bad ass. Eldrad and Tigarias are level 3.

Again, people don't seem to be comprehending what Psychic Mastery level is. You don't get to take Mastery level and then add other rules that allow you to cast additional powers.

As explained in the rulebook, in older codexes (ones that don't list mastery level) psychic master level is equal to the number of powers the model was already allowed to cast.

Ahriman was previously allowed to cast 3 powers so his mastery level is 3.

This isn't rocket science.

well that must be wrong, as a sorceror is lvl 1, mark give him an extra casting, by that logic since he could only cast once before the mark does nothing other than add to his inv save.

plus the FAQ now over rules Ari's rules and give him a mastery level, Eldrads FAQ also states it includes the bonus to his mastery level but Ari's doesnt, logical conclusion is that is was intentional and he gains +1 for the mark.

OR!!!!! its just another case of GW no being consistent

Yes, its a case of GW not being consistent. Sorcerers should be Mastery Level 2.

But regardless, a Mark does NOT add to the listed Psychic Mastery Level.

Oh hey, notice they've never quite clarified the AP for Boneswords - RAW shenanigans are going to be fun for a while as Tyranid players stress the 'ignore armour saves' part rather than 'counts as a power weapon'.

RiTides wrote:Chaplains have AP4 power mauls wtf!

What is left that is commonly available that can strike at initiative and be AP2? I thought for sure they'd be one of them. Most AP2 things seem to be striking at I1 now.

Tyranid Boneswords

Rules wise they count as an upgrade not a weapon and they had no mention in the FAQ.

I5 Tryanid Primes Om Nom Nom nom

Boneswords ruleswise count as an upgrade that causes all the tyranids close combat attacks to ignore armor, they don't count as a weapon themselves.

Only downside is that no AP value means no +1 or +2 to the damage charts to vehicles. :/

DarkStarSabre wrote:Oh hey, notice they've never quite clarified the AP for Boneswords - RAW shenanigans are going to be fun for a while as Tyranid players stress the 'ignore armour saves' part rather than 'counts as a power weapon'.

Ignores armour saves. No ambiguity.

Joey wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:Oh hey, notice they've never quite clarified the AP for Boneswords - RAW shenanigans are going to be fun for a while as Tyranid players stress the 'ignore armour saves' part rather than 'counts as a power weapon'.

Ignores armour saves. No ambiguity.

Which if the book states there is ambiguity, it counts as AP3.

Any word on when we're likely to see the Forgeworld updates?

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Joey wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:Oh hey, notice they've never quite clarified the AP for Boneswords - RAW shenanigans are going to be fun for a while as Tyranid players stress the 'ignore armour saves' part rather than 'counts as a power weapon'.

Ignores armour saves. No ambiguity.

Which if the book states there is ambiguity, it counts as AP3.

Wonder how many of you remember when people argued til blue in the fact that Tyranids with say, Scything Talons and Rending Claws could only benefit from the abilities of one or the other, not both in 5th edition due to the way the multiple special weapons rules were worded. Every Tyranid player knew this was not the case (they were in effect functioning identical to 3rd and 4th edition Tyranids) but people still insisted up to the point where the FAQ came out and said that.

I expect people to kick off about Boneswords. Really, I do.

Hrmm... Logan Grimnar seems to have lost any utility with his special axe that allows him to choose between two profiles. Both a frost axe and powerfist (the two he can choose from IIRC) are unwieldy.

I don't have my book with me at the moment... the grey knight halberd acts as a special force weapon... how does that interact with AP and initiative as a force halberd/axe with the rulebook and special GK halberd rules?

I don't have my book with me at the moment... the grey knight halberd acts as a special force weapon... how does that interact with AP and initiative as a force halberd/axe with the rulebook and special GK halberd rules?

Unusual force weapon as noted in the FAQ, thus it uses it's own rules and has AP3

O.0 Praetorians gaining +1 str on their melee weapons, ignoring armor of course but what is this unwieldy business? I'm not getting my rulebook for a little while still.

warboss wrote:Hrmm... Logan Grimnar seems to have lost any utility with his special axe that allows him to choose between two profiles. Both a frost axe and powerfist (the two he can choose from IIRC) are unwieldy.

I don't have my book with me at the moment... the grey knight halberd acts as a special force weapon... how does that interact with AP and initiative as a force halberd/axe with the rulebook and special GK halberd rules?

All NFW are AP3 'unusual' Force Weapons, which just means they also still follow the special rules in the codex. So even though the Nemesis Hammer is AP3, it is also AP2 because it follows the rules for Thunderhammers simultaneously.

Prodromus wrote:

RiTides wrote:Chaplains have AP4 power mauls wtf!

What is left that is commonly available that can strike at initiative and be AP2? I thought for sure they'd be one of them. Most AP2 things seem to be striking at I1 now.

Tyranid Boneswords

Rules wise they count as an upgrade not a weapon and they had no mention in the FAQ.

I5 Tryanid Primes Om Nom Nom nom

Boneswords ruleswise count as an upgrade that causes all the tyranids close combat attacks to ignore armor, they don't count as a weapon themselves.

Only downside is that no AP value means no +1 or +2 to the damage charts to vehicles. :/

There is one other thing (consisting of multiple things) that strikes at initiative and ignores armour with, well, everything.

Nurgle Daemons and MoN Chaos Marines at Tally of Pestilence level 20 . That is just going to be oh so dirty.

Kurgash wrote:O.0 Praetorians gaining +1 str on their melee weapons, ignoring armor of course but what is this unwieldy business? I'm not getting my rulebook for a little while still.

Please stop asking for the rules. Wait until you get home or wherever and get to your rulebook.

RiTides wrote:I don't see any clarity on allies...

Except the clarity who benefits from special rules, yes.

pretre wrote:Sisters won the FAQ war here.

Our Acts of Faith work on Allies (IC's or Squads).

Our Auras and Powers from ICs work on allied squads (6" Fearless bubble and Jacobus' +1 Attack and FNP).

gonna see some nasty IG combinations here.

Won? More than this. They seem to be the only ones to share.

The only bit I saw to borrow anything from an ally is Shrikes "unseen..." , yes?

Makes detachments self containing, as it should be.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Joey wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:Oh hey, notice they've never quite clarified the AP for Boneswords - RAW shenanigans are going to be fun for a while as Tyranid players stress the 'ignore armour saves' part rather than 'counts as a power weapon'.

Ignores armour saves. No ambiguity.

Which if the book states there is ambiguity, it counts as AP3.

Only the internet could claim that "ignores armour saves" means anything other than ignores armour saves.

Is it just me or did tau just get shafted?

No AA on skyrays
Target locks removed (WHY?)
Battlesuits have to pay for night vision

No benefits at all? :(

Also woah! massive nerf to chaplains! crozius as a power maul now, my brother plays dark angels and hes not gunna be happy, esp since he cant equip his with power fists or lightning claws

Joey wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Joey wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:Oh hey, notice they've never quite clarified the AP for Boneswords - RAW shenanigans are going to be fun for a while as Tyranid players stress the 'ignore armour saves' part rather than 'counts as a power weapon'.

Ignores armour saves. No ambiguity.

Which if the book states there is ambiguity, it counts as AP3.

Only the internet could claim that "ignores armour saves" means anything other than ignores armour saves.

So what does it count as for affecting vehicles than? AP2? AP1? All the other (with few exceptions) "Ignores armor saves" have gained actual AP stats, so I believe it was just a mistake on their part.

No benefits at all? :(

Stealth suits have a permanent 4++ and can get to 2+ in cover?

yakface wrote:
You did, but I think you'll find the new wound allocation rules does reign them in a bit.

I've noticed you can still wound spread, and you don't even need different wargear, you just need to have an IC to LOS

Woah yeah... and sniper teams!

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
So what does it count as for affecting vehicles than? AP2? AP1? All the other (with few exceptions) "Ignores armor saves" have gained actual AP stats, so I believe it was just a mistake on their part.

Well it's not AP1 or 2 so you have your answer. It may have been a mistake not to give it an AP value but it doesn't need one.

"Page 49- Shadowseer, Veil of Tears"
"Replace the second and third sentences with: "the shadowseer, and all models in her unit, have the stealth and shrouded special rules".

I wonder if it was supposed to mean third and fourth sentences. Fourth sentence is the spotting distance rule; second sentence states that it works like a warlock power.

Still laughing at the new Warscythes. Average armor penetration of 14, and then get +2 on the vehicle armor chart.

Hahaha.

Joey wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
So what does it count as for affecting vehicles than? AP2? AP1? All the other (with few exceptions) "Ignores armor saves" have gained actual AP stats, so I believe it was just a mistake on their part.

Well it's not AP1 or 2 so you have your answer. It may have been a mistake not to give it an AP value but it doesn't need one.

AP3 than, gotcha.

...nope! Not an error. Sentence two is formally replaced in the FAQ.

seeker missiles hit flyers on a 2+, surly thats a buff? mind you, you need to hit it on 6 with marker lights