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2012/07/12 15:02:48
Subject: Driver refuses to prove US citizenship at police checkpoint
Frazzled wrote:They don't. I assume he was asking for a driver's license.
(I didn't actually bother to watch the video at home and can't at work as my computer appears to have been manufactured by some company called IBM. Evidently 5100s are old.)
Nah, he didn't ask for a license. The police officer asked the driver if he was a citizen.
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2012/07/12 15:06:17
Subject: Driver refuses to prove US citizenship at police checkpoint
Kilkrazy wrote:Technically a birth certificate does not prove citizenship. It proves the location of birth.
Even for Kenyans.
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2012/07/12 15:08:42
Subject: Driver refuses to prove US citizenship at police checkpoint
Kilkrazy wrote:The US grants citizenship to anyone born in its soil, of course,
Americans are Pod People! They're born in dirt!
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olympia wrote:
Frazzled wrote:They don't. I assume he was asking for a driver's license.
(I didn't actually bother to watch the video at home and can't at work as my computer appears to have been manufactured by some company called IBM. Evidently 5100s are old.)
Nah, he didn't ask for a license. The police officer asked the driver if he was a citizen.
This just screams:
*I so hope this is born in East LA.
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2012/07/12 15:13:16
Subject: Driver refuses to prove US citizenship at police checkpoint
LordofHats wrote:In the US a Birth Certificate is proof of citizenship cause anyone born in US borders is automatically a citizen.
But, how do you know they haven't become citizens of another country since sometime after they were born?
All a US Birth Certificate proves is that you were a US Citizen at the time of your birth. Assuming you're not a newborn, it tells nothing of your current status.
LordofHats wrote:In the US a Birth Certificate is proof of citizenship cause anyone born in US borders is automatically a citizen.
But, how do you know they haven't become citizens of another country since sometime after they were born?
All a US Birth Certificate proves is that you were a US Citizen at the time of your birth. Assuming you're not a newborn, it tells nothing of your current status.
Doesn't matter. Like the mob, once you're in, you're in forever.
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2012/07/12 15:30:48
Subject: Driver refuses to prove US citizenship at police checkpoint
Grakmar wrote:But, how do you know they haven't become citizens of another country since sometime after they were born?
All a US Birth Certificate proves is that you were a US Citizen at the time of your birth. Assuming you're not a newborn, it tells nothing of your current status.
As far as I know the US allows dual citizenship (some other countries don't). But I see your point XD
Grakmar wrote:But, how do you know they haven't become citizens of another country since sometime after they were born?
All a US Birth Certificate proves is that you were a US Citizen at the time of your birth. Assuming you're not a newborn, it tells nothing of your current status.
As far as I know the US allows dual citizenship (some other countries don't). But I see your point XD
If you get dual citizenship automatically through another country's laws, you don't lose US Citizenship. But, if you voluntarily get citizenship of another county, we can revoke your US citizenship.
Grakmar wrote:But, how do you know they haven't become citizens of another country since sometime after they were born?
All a US Birth Certificate proves is that you were a US Citizen at the time of your birth. Assuming you're not a newborn, it tells nothing of your current status.
As far as I know the US allows dual citizenship (some other countries don't). But I see your point XD
Arudo Debito, the Japanese blogger, was born in the US and forswore his citizenship to become Japanese.
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2012/07/12 18:19:38
Subject: Driver refuses to prove US citizenship at police checkpoint
Kilkrazy wrote:Arudo Debito, the Japanese blogger, was born in the US and forswore his citizenship to become Japanese
Was it because Japanese law required him to renounce his other citizenship, or did he just not want dual-citizenship?
I just googled this guy and man, it's too long to sum up here; but TL;DR they were imo the derpiest of reasons; including but not limited to "the supreme court stealing the 2000 election".
Fascinating read anyway, it's so rare to see someone actually "correctly" renounce their citizenship. I mean he filled out the form and swore it out and all.
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2012/07/12 20:09:40
Subject: Driver refuses to prove US citizenship at police checkpoint
Kilkrazy wrote:Arudo Debito, the Japanese blogger, was born in the US and forswore his citizenship to become Japanese
Was it because Japanese law required him to renounce his other citizenship, or did he just not want dual-citizenship?
The Japanese government does not allow you to hold dual citizenship after your 20th birthday.
If you are a US (or UK or other dual national accepting country's) citizen, you can of course keep your foreign passport too, until the Japanese immigration authorities catch you. They will then ask you to relinquish either your Japanese or foreign passport. At that point there are three things you can:
1. Relinquish your Japanese passport.
2. Relinquish your foreign passport.
3. Relinquish your foreign passport and get a replacement later. (This option demands a certain degree of detachment from Japanese law, of course.)