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bbb wrote:With this move to Bones I'd like to see Reaper put out some dungeon crawl rules and figure deals to go with them. That would be a good way they could release some packs of unit builders/dungeon encounters.

Song of Blades and Heroes from Ganesha Games is perfect for Reaper (and many other) minis. Its a skirmish level fantasy game, especially good for dungeon crawl type scenarios. Its quite simple, yet still allows good tactical playing. It comes with the stats for 180 heroes, henchmen, monsters, etc. You can also create your own with the games creation rules, the associated Yahoo! group has a program to calculate the points, or theres a print-out available on BoardGameGeek.com under the games listing, if you prefer pen and paper.

Im currently working on stats for my Hordes Troolblood minis, and my wifes GW Chaos Daemons (and other assorted demons, and related nasties). Also going to do up some for my old school CHaos Warriors minis.

Slinky wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:theres already plenty of dungeon crawlers already. I'd rather have Reaper concentrate on their minis than rules

As someone who has backed this but hasn't got any games to use the figures with, can you name/recommend any, please?

I'd echo Mad4minis suggestion of Song of Blades and Heroes. It's a fast play (45-60 minutes a game), generic Fantasy Warband system that my club loves. We use alot of Reaper figs (among many other brands) in our warbands. http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2012/07/song-of-blades-heroes-campaign-session_25.html

As to the Kickstarter itself. I'm thrilled to see this. I bought my first bones fig a couple weeks ago and was very impressed. I'm currently discussing splitting the $100 "Vampire" level with 2-3 other club members. It's pretty likely that when the month is up it will have 100 figures or so. That's an unbeatable deal, and just the thing for players of Song of Blades and heroes where you want as many unique and diverse figures as possible both characters and monsters.

The freebies so far look great, and though the Giant figs are not figs I would have dropped 35 bucks on (great figs, I just didn't need them) at $10 for two I'd be hard pressed not too! Also, it's great to see that the upgrades can be ordered in multiple. I imagine this will save a bit of squabbling when clubmates go in together on a "Vampire" level, and don't have to argue over who gets to buy the Giants and Dragon.

Reaper Bryan,
As each new tombstone is revealed, you seem to be alternating between "freebies for the Vampire level" and purchasable upgrades. Is this to be the pattern for the rest?

Eilif wrote:Reaper Bryan,
As each new tombstone is revealed, you seem to be alternating between "freebies for the Vampire level" and purchasable upgrades. Is this to be the pattern for the rest?

Reaperbryan wrote:Also, the pattern is kind of more "one "add-on" then one "option" and we gave preference to Options that were Big than Options that were little figures. Most (but not all) of our options are these larger figures, under the thought process that they were a more expensive unit price, and we couldn't give one away for the same expense as giving 4 tiny dudes away.

BTW - has anyone else noticed that the next tombstone to be revealed looks remarkably like a RMS bottle? It should be one of the options as well... Granted, it would still be 3 stretches away - but it is something different than the rest of them to ponder (well that...and 8th from here has a different shape too, but that is too obscure).

Cyporiean wrote:

Sean_OBrien wrote:
One other nice thing which I noticed that might be of interest to some:

http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?/topic/45093-does-this-kickstarter-mean-that-bones-made-in-texas/

Like most of these plastics - they are currently made in China. However, they seem to be looking at moving the manufacturing from there to the US.

I'd like to see these moved over here, and the services added to Repaer's already existing casting services.

As would I! Not just for the idea of being able to put made in the USA on it, but working with outsource vendors overseas, and long shipping lead times etc can be frustrating to me as the production manager - It means coordinating supplies made in house on one timetable, and outsource on another.

I do want to state that we will not have a specific dollar goal tagged with the phrase "have bones made in the USA" or anything similar. all rewards and goals are for product made. What we are planning is to use this project to help us accelerate our rate of transition, which began in January fo this year, and may take a year or two to complete, but we will get there.


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Sean_OBrien wrote:

Eilif wrote:Reaper Bryan,
As each new tombstone is revealed, you seem to be alternating between "freebies for the Vampire level" and purchasable upgrades. Is this to be the pattern for the rest?

Reaperbryan wrote:Also, the pattern is kind of more "one "add-on" then one "option" and we gave preference to Options that were Big than Options that were little figures. Most (but not all) of our options are these larger figures, under the thought process that they were a more expensive unit price, and we couldn't give one away for the same expense as giving 4 tiny dudes away.

BTW - has anyone else noticed that the next tombstone to be revealed looks remarkably like a RMS bottle? It should be one of the options as well... Granted, it would still be 3 stretches away - but it is something different than the rest of them to ponder (well that...and 8th from here has a different shape too, but that is too obscure).

Yeah, it does bear a striking resemblance!

As for alternating freebies vs purchase options - that's true almost the entire way. There will be some (I hope) pleasant surprises in regards to that along the way.

Reaperbryan wrote:but working with outsource vendors overseas, and long shipping lead times etc can be frustrating to me as the production manager - It means coordinating supplies made in house on one timetable, and outsource on another.

And customs...there were times where I could actually go to the docks and look at stuff we were having shipped in, pick it up and take pictures of it, only to have to put it back and wait another 3 months before the paperwork cleared on it.

Sean_OBrien wrote:

Reaperbryan wrote:but working with outsource vendors overseas, and long shipping lead times etc can be frustrating to me as the production manager - It means coordinating supplies made in house on one timetable, and outsource on another.

And customs...there were times where I could actually go to the docks and look at stuff we were having shipped in, pick it up and take pictures of it, only to have to put it back and wait another 3 months before the paperwork cleared on it.

Yeah - that has happened a time or twelve...

Thanks for all the pointers on games to play with these.

I haven't played D&D in years and years (used to play AD&D 2nd ed), so didn't realise that was so miniature-centred now. I've ordered the red starter box, will have to convince some people to join me

Slinky wrote:Thanks for all the pointers on games to play with these.

I haven't played D&D in years and years (used to play AD&D 2nd ed), so didn't realise that was so miniature-centred now. I've ordered the red starter box, will have to convince some people to join me

While it's more miniature-centric, D&D is still very much a role playing game and will use less figures than a skirmsh ruleset.

For Skirmish rulesets...as well as Song of Blades and Heroes, the upcoming ruleset "Fanticide" which has alot of well known GW alumni involved would be a great way to use these figures as it has a mechanic for stating up any figures you have for play.

I may have to get in on this to use them for the IKRPG...

$155K stretch goal met. Working on $175K elves now.



The paint bottle tombstone stretch goal is in fact...paint. 2 different sets of 12 colors for $18 option each. It is set at $185K so it should come through pretty quick after the elves (being only a $10K as opposed to $20K stretch).




The second set are Kickstarter specific paints (hence the lack of normal stock numbers). Neat, in so much as it is a KS only item - but I am not too sure how neat that would be if you ran out half way through an army...

Those paint sets look like they are available for all the pledge levels, not just the Vampire level - that's pretty sweet!

Yep. Pledge $1 plus $36 on the option and get 24 paints at roughly half off MSRP (little bit better than half off IIRC).

RMS paints are pretty good too.

Reaper Paints are excellent. The only downside (Like Vallejo, Army Painter, etc.,) is that the droppers can get clogged if you don't properly wipe them before closing if you happen to be messing like me.

Yah - I keep some T-pins handy for that. Nothing a quick poke can't sort out.

Not a fan of Reaper's paints, so I'll be skipping out on those additions.

Looking forward to what the next model will be.

Sean_OBrien wrote:
The second set are Kickstarter specific paints (hence the lack of normal stock numbers). Neat, in so much as it is a KS only item - but I am not too sure how neat that would be if you ran out half way through an army...

I'm sorry - let me clarify - we developed them to promote this KS. They will be released to retail after the KS backers receive theirs, precisely not to frustrate you if you run out.

The wording was developed for this Kickstarter, not *exclusively* for...

If my reasoning is right - it should be a collection of smaller things which you can kill. Looking at what they have released so far and thinking of things which were killed fairly often in various RPG games I have played - perhaps lizard men for the $205K stretch.


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Reaperbryan wrote:

Sean_OBrien wrote:
The second set are Kickstarter specific paints (hence the lack of normal stock numbers). Neat, in so much as it is a KS only item - but I am not too sure how neat that would be if you ran out half way through an army...

I'm sorry - let me clarify - we developed them to promote this KS. They will be released to retail after the KS backers receive theirs, precisely not to frustrate you if you run out.

The wording was developed for this Kickstarter, not *exclusively* for...

Cool, while it can be hard to say for certain on a monitor - I am liking the Vampire flesh triad.

BTW - is Ed paying you overtime for this?

Sean_OBrien wrote:
BTW - is Ed paying you overtime for this?

I'm salaried, I'm afraid. I do all my forum posting from home because I'm the Project Dev, and it's my baby. I want you guys to be as excited as I am. Plus, I used to play WH40K ('nids, Space Wolves, and had just started Tau when I got out of it), and this board was an excellent resource for me.

Sean_OBrien wrote:Yah - I keep some T-pins handy for that. Nothing a quick poke can't sort out.

T-pins. So simple, yet I didn't think of it. Thanks!

Reaperbryan wrote:I'm salaried, I'm afraid. I do all my forum posting from home because I'm the Project Dev, and it's my baby. I want you guys to be as excited as I am. Plus, I used to play WH40K ('nids, Space Wolves, and had just started Tau when I got out of it), and this board was an excellent resource for me.

Painted some bones today. Got the gnoll done and started on the kobolds. I'm painting them up like they're on the same team.

I'm definitely excited about this Kickstarter. Each day I see new posts on this thread, but I have to go to the kickstarter page first to see what the new stretch goal is for myself and then come back here to read about it again.

The undead paint set looks pretty cool.

I take it all the Stretch goal miniatures will also eventually be retail products as well? I'm committed to getting my bones from the local store and hope to see them there eventually.

frozenwastes wrote:I take it all the Stretch goal miniatures will also eventually be retail products as well? I'm committed to getting my bones from the local store and hope to see them there eventually.

That appears to be the plan. You might want to bug your LGS regarding this:



Though - you will also need to bug Bryan regarding this:

This level is designed so that retail game stores can participate in this project. USA and Canadian Stores Only. Free Shipping

Since he let it slide that he is the lead on this - it is his job to sort it out. I hear complaints from people on your side of the pond is that there are not too many stores which carry Reaper stuff. Bones would be an ideal material to help sort that (reduced shipping costs and all that).

Sean_OBrien wrote:Since he let it slide that he is the lead on this - it is his job to sort it out. I hear complaints from people on your side of the pond is that there are not too many stores which carry Reaper stuff. Bones would be an ideal material to help sort that (reduced shipping costs and all that).

frozenwastes wrote:
I take it all the Stretch goal miniatures will also eventually be retail products as well? I'm committed to getting my bones from the local store and hope to see them there eventually.

Retailers overseas we WILL accept, provided they will let us bill them for actual shipping charges. They have to arrange that with us on a case by case basis, but I am aware of 3 that already have. There's a lot of stuff in that deal (and more added daily!) and it won't be cheap, as US Post to the UK and the Continent aren't what I'd call reasonable.

We are committed to making sure that everything offered EXCEPT Kickstarter Sophie will be made available through all of our distribution and retail channels.

Reaperbryan wrote:US Post to the UK and the Continent aren't what I'd call reasonable.

Funny as it might sound - back when I was doing that sort of thing...it was actually cheaper for us to ship stuff to Canada and then have it forwarded on to the UK. We worked with a company that we had other business with to do just that.

Ring up RAFM and see what it costs for them to ship things. I think they strapped the stuff to a goose though, because it took like a month to get over there from here.

Sean_OBrien wrote:Since he let it slide that he is the lead on this - it is his job to sort it out. I hear complaints from people on your side of the pond is that there are not too many stores which carry Reaper stuff. Bones would be an ideal material to help sort that (reduced shipping costs and all that).

I'm in Canada. I edited my location to get rid of an obscure pop culture reference. My local store already does regular orders directly from Reaper and I emailed them about this Kickstarter. My guess, though, is they will wait until products are released to actually order anything. I don't know when credit cards are charged compared to shipping time on the retailer's option, but I doubt they're going to want to have any money tied up preordering half a year or more in advance.

Instead, I'm guessing they'll add releases as they come out, use generic pegs until the new releases are numerous enough to justify ordering another Bones display rack and then add one every 12 figures or so.

Back to painting kobolds.

The elves are funded, the paints are next and then dwarves after that.

Those are some pretty cool dwarves.

Incidentally, I find the best tool for removing mould lines from Reaper Bones to be emery boards (cardstock nail files). I get mine from the dollar store. Scraping with a hobby knife sort of works, but not as good as it does on metals. My miniature files also do alright, but tend to grind away too much, too quickly.

I also cut the emery boards to a point with a pair of scissors to get into tighter spaces. When a section is used up, I just trim it again and again so I can use the whole thing.

$215k goal up. Orc horde!

kenshin620 wrote:$215k goal up. Orc horde!

I also want to reiterate that you can get this by pledging $1, and adding $25 (so $26 total). No need to pledge higher. If you're in at the $15 level, shipping is then also already covered, so it's now $40 for both.

These are pretty big orcs aren't they? Much bigger than the orcs currently available in bones?

frozenwastes wrote:These are pretty big orcs aren't they? Much bigger than the orcs currently available in bones?

Yes. In these images, you will note two small triangles on the right side of the frame. The first measures .5 inches from table surface, and the second measures 1.0" from table surface. With those, you can reasonable estimate size. Base size is a factor, but most of them are about 1.25 inches (30mm) tall, amking them 3-4mm taller than the existing orcs, which are not my favorites. I n fact, I lobbied really hard to get these made, so taht we had cool orcs.

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/manor%20orc

I wish they would do something like this for their sci-fi range :(