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dogma wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:
Oh well. I spend half my life in classes where the students beleive they'll revolutionnize the world of philosophy..

My test was always "You probably won't be a Kripke."

If they knew who Kripke is, I would take them seriously. If not, they got the "I'm bored." spiel.

Feth you didn't go easy on them! But I guess it's a crime to have taken epistemology classes and not knowing intuitionnistic logic.

Oh and it's true. I don't know anyone who'll be a Kripke, a Whitehead or a Wittgenstein, myself included. On the other hand, I'd like to write readable books.

youbedead wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:

dogma wrote:There have been others. GWAR! might be a worthwhile search as well, there was also some guy (whose handle escapes me) that used to rant about how having an MA and teaching at community college made him a unique intellectual snowflake.

There's also Drew Riggio and Snord, but that was the old website. Though, honestly, a lot of the stuff from the old site is likely what lead to the present site's reputation.

Oh well. I spend half my life in classes where the students beleive they'll revolutionnize the world of philosophy..
Anyway, thanks, that's gotta be a few nightshifts worth of hilariousness. Any hint as to where I might find the 'blame the victim' origin?

Here you go, don;t say I didn't warn you

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/319627.page

Oh, that was beautiful. I only wish I could have been there.

I think I found the "blame the victim" thing:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/390/319627.page#1983259

AmIrite?

I think you are. We need a good proper troll thread.

A) That was marvelous. Special mention to Rubiksnoob for the ''whatever, just throw them a lolcat and leave'' comment.
B) I want a cat snuggie for my cat.
C) We should really feel ashamed for causing the holocaust.
D) Frazz was a mod?!?

Thanks again guys! That was a freakout for the ages!

Kovnik Obama wrote:A) That was marvelous. Special mention to Rubiksnoob for the ''whatever, just throw them a lolcat and leave'' comment.
B) I want a cat snuggie for my cat.
C) We should really feel ashamed for causing the holocaust.
D) Frazz was a mod?!?

Thanks again guys! That was a freakout for the ages!

He's made appearances in other forums as well, he was on brassgoogles until he was banned for freaking the feth out about furry's, I believe he had a similar furry freak-out on this board as well, though I cant remember what it was from

I'm an Atheist. I don't beleive in any gods or anything supernatural. To me all supernatural and religious experiences are false, and can be proven to be through investigation. I don't have anything against anyone beleiving in a religion however, it's up to them, I just wish more people looked at all the evidence available to them before making an informed decision instead of just going on what their parents or similar figure told them was true when they were younger.

redbristles wrote:I'm an Atheist. I don't beleive in any gods or anything supernatural. To me all supernatural and religious experiences are false, and can be proven to be through investigation. I don't have anything against anyone beleiving in a religion however, it's up to them, I just wish more people looked at all the evidence available to them before making an informed decision instead of just going on what their parents or similar figure told them was true when they were younger.

Alright, this does kind if annoy me.

Note this is not directed at you, but there are many atheists that preach the glories of science and then in the same breath say that you can disprove a supernatural being. As a scientist that fething pisses me off because it show a deep, deep misunderstanding of the scientific method and process. You can state that there is not ample evidence to prove a supernatural being but you can't state that a lack of evidence disproves it. It would be like saying that a man is innocent because there was insufficient evidence to prove his guilt. All it shows is that the prosecution didn't present sufficient evidence and is completely separate from his actual innocence of a crime.

youbedead wrote:

redbristles wrote:I'm an Atheist. I don't beleive in any gods or anything supernatural. To me all supernatural and religious experiences are false, and can be proven to be through investigation. I don't have anything against anyone beleiving in a religion however, it's up to them, I just wish more people looked at all the evidence available to them before making an informed decision instead of just going on what their parents or similar figure told them was true when they were younger.

Alright, this does kind if annoy me.

Note this is not directed at you, but there are many atheists that preach the glories of science and then in the same breath say that you can disprove a supernatural being. As a scientist that fething pisses me off because it show a deep, deep misunderstanding of the scientific method and process. You can state that there is not ample evidence to prove a supernatural being but you can't state that a lack of evidence disproves it. It would be like saying that a man is innocent because there was insufficient evidence to prove his guilt. All it shows is that the prosecution didn't present sufficient evidence and is completely separate from his actual innocence of a crime.

I'm a scientist too. I didn't mean that really, I was more referring to when people come along and claim to have experienced something supernatural. Such as being visited by a spirit, or hearing from a god. These things can be given a perfectly rational explanation.

Although you are always considered innocent until proven otherwise, and usually in science you can form a hypothesis but should normally assume a negative until the evidence indicates otherwise.

I'm an atheist, always have been. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny.

I don't mind theists at all, they are everywhere after all. But what I don't like are the ones that use it to justify their prejudice. And sadly, naming no names, there are a couple of rabidly homophobic posters on Dakka who always pollute every thread that touches on the topic using the most disgusting language. These people ruin any sort of debate that can be had between theists and atheists , and the subject of religious rights, because they are so revolting and extreme.

Gailbraithe has to have been a troll. If not he evidentally had serious issues.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Although you are always considered innocent until proven otherwise, and usually in science you can form a hypothesis but should normally assume a negative until the evidence indicates otherwise.

I'm an atheist, always have been. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny.

I don't mind theists at all, they are everywhere after all. But what I don't like are the ones that use it to justify their prejudice. And sadly, naming no names, there are a couple of rabidly homophobic posters on Dakka who always pollute every thread that touches on the topic using the most disgusting language. These people ruin any sort of debate that can be had between theists and atheists , and the subject of religious rights, because they are so revolting and extreme.

In the US court system you are not innocent until proven guilty, you are not-guilty until proven guilty. In order for you to be found innocent of a crime then you have have to request a letter of factual innocence from the judicial, legislative or executive branches of either your local or in some cases national government. As for the second, you should try to not assume anything and base any assumptions or conclusions on observations and data. Insufficient data to prove X does not mean X has been disproved, it only means you can'y prove X.


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Palindrome wrote:Gailbraithe has to have been a troll. If not he evidentally had serious issues.

No the man was genuine, and as I said before, yeah he had some serious issues

youbedead wrote:

Palindrome wrote:Gailbraithe has to have been a troll. If not he evidentally had serious issues.

No the man was genuine, and as I said before, yeah he had some serious issues

Wasn't he also a major misogynist as well? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else, but I thought it was him.

Philosophical Taoism is about as close to religion as I get, though I do spend time at Buddhist centers as well from time to time.

Yeah, Dogma pm'ed me the fanwank site with a bunch of his perls.

http://wiki.fandomwank.com/index.php/Lovecrafty

God some of those are horrible. Like 'I really wish I could punch you for this' terrible.

He looks like a professional troll to me. Someone who has been doing that for so long and in such a wide variety of places has to be a troll.

Its possible that he is simply a mentalist (and quite possibly is one anyway) but if he is then he has a lot of dedication.

Athiest and Misotheist.

Are all those weird people on that wiki link one guy? This guy has issues...

Palindrome wrote:He looks like a professional troll to me. Someone who has been doing that for so long and in such a wide variety of places has to be a troll.

It took a friend of mine about 5 seconds to find his real name and address when he graced these hallowed pages. If he was a troll, he was an awful one.

The Bringer wrote:

Dreadwinter wrote:I believe that something created the universe, but I do not believe that thing to be a deity of any sort.

So what created the thing that created the universe?

Or do you just not want to use the name deity to describe something that is effectively a deity?

I do not want to call it a deity because whatever created the universe is not a deity. I am thinking something like a machine, a person built a machine that made the universe. Something like that. Think computer program.

And yes, as Dogma said, it is pretty much an infinite loop. Something created the thing that created us and one day I am sure we will create a universe of our own. (WAAAAAAY down the line and it might not even be us)

But the argument of "what created the thing that created the universe?" can also be applied to God or Gods.

He gives trolling a bad name. He is an insult to the ancient and sacred art of trolling.

Dreadwinter wrote:

The Bringer wrote:

Dreadwinter wrote:I believe that something created the universe, but I do not believe that thing to be a deity of any sort.

So what created the thing that created the universe?

Or do you just not want to use the name deity to describe something that is effectively a deity?

I do not want to call it a deity because whatever created the universe is not a deity. I am thinking something like a machine, a person built a machine that made the universe. Something like that. Think computer program.

And yes, as Dogma said, it is pretty much an infinite loop. Something created the thing that created us and one day I am sure we will create a universe of our own. (WAAAAAAY down the line and it might not even be us)

But the argument of "what created the thing that created the universe?" can also be applied to God or Gods.

'it's turtles all the way down'

Though the answer to both questions of 'what came before' are pretty much the same. Nothing. In the case of no god then the universe had no before, as spacetime had not yet been created so there was nothing before the singularity as the concept of before didn't exist. If god created the universe then before the creation he had yet to create time so there was no concept of before.

youbedead wrote:But the argument of "what created the thing that created the universe?" can also be applied to God or Gods.

To God it cannot be applied, because outside of our reality there is no sense of time or timeline... God simply is.

How can you be satisfied with your belief system? It is an impossibility. All things in time must have a beginning, though they do not need an end. How did this cycle start? I guess your idea of reality would be possible if reality started at a point in time, and then we started living history forward and others started living it backwards...

Do you believe these "machines" are governed by the laws of science as we know them?

The Bringer wrote:All things in time must have a beginning, though they do not need an end.

Do you not see the contradiction here?

If something needs no end, then it needs no beginning either. Because a beginning is an end.

@deadwinter: to be honest, it actually cannot be applied to a god; I had this problem for a number of years, but as people have stated, a God who created time by definition resides outside of time; as such there is no need for it to have a beginning because it doesn't function under the 'time-laws' of our universe.

The Bringer wrote:

youbedead wrote:But the argument of "what created the thing that created the universe?" can also be applied to God or Gods.

To God it cannot be applied, because outside of our reality there is no sense of time or timeline... God simply is.

Yeah, cause that doesn't sound implausible at all...

I am christian. More specifically, I am a Mormon.

Atheist.

Can't be bothered with debating, it only ends in this endless cycle;

"I'M RIGHT, YOUR WRONG!"

"NO I'M RIGHT, YOUR WRONG!"

blood reaper wrote:Atheist.

Can't be bothered with debating, it only ends in this endless cycle;

"I'M RIGHT, YOUR WRONG!"

"NO I'M RIGHT, YOUR WRONG!"

Or just agree to disagree.

Picking a theological view is like picking a favorite color.

I like purple.

Frazzled wrote:I like purple.

I like you too Fraz... but just as a friend...