Hulksmash wrote:
Immotek hit his allied ork flyer in one of my games with his lightning....Just saying

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Jy2

Since it's Nick it would have depended on a ton of variables. Which wave he got, if he went first, if I perilled (more like when and with what), which psychic powers I got, mission parameters.

Basically I list has a chance to be a hugely bad match-up but only if everything kinda broke my way. Otherwise it would have been a heck of a game. I'd say any game between us is a 50/50 pretty much no matter what we're running.

MVBrandt wrote:
Just for clarity, we did not rule on Njal's powers in the NOVA FAQ.

We ruled them on the spot when asked in the following way:

Appropriate Rules of Reference:

Codex: Space Wolves, Page 53, Lord of Tempests Game Effect Table:

6 - Vengeful Tornado:
At the end of Njal's Shooting Phase, a model within 18" is ravaged by a tornado, taking D3 S9 hits. Vehicles are hit on their side armour.

7+ - Chain Lightning:
At the end of Njal's Shooting phase, unengaged enemy units within 12" of Njal take D6 S8 hits with an AP of 5.

First component, neither of these are Shooting Attacks. They also do not Roll to Hit. They roll to determine whether they occur at all at the beginning of the turn, and they roll to determine how many hits occur. They do not Roll to Hit.

Next, the rules for Evade, on Page 81 of the large rulebook:

If a Zooming Flyer comes under fire, the pilot can throw his craft into a series of evasive manoeuvres in an attempt to avoid taking damage. After the enemy has rolled To Hit against one of your Flyers, but before armour penetration rolls are made, you can choose to Evade until the end of your next turn. An evading Flyer has the Jink special rule, but only fires Snap Shots.

Note that Njal's powers in question are not shooting attacks, and do not roll to hit. The choice to Evade can ONLY be made after the enemy has rolled To Hit.

The NOVA DID NOT RULE that there were no COVER saves permitted against Vengeful Tornado or Chain Lightning. In fact, we ruled you COULD take cover saves. We simply ruled that the choice to Evade could not be made against either of them, because they were not shooting attacks and did not roll to hit. In the case of affected units in area terrain, units that had already evaded, units with the Jink rule, units with KFF effects, smoke, etc., cover saves all applied, because the cover save was already in effect when the hits were suffered.

Just so all know ... we did not rule "NO COVER SAVES," and we did not consider these at all similar to Blood Lance, etc., because ... well, they aren't at all similar. A non-shooting-attack special effect is not at all the same as a shooting attack or psychic shooting attack.