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 d-usa wrote:
I think that part of the problem with believing that 25% of women have reported sexual assault could be that when we think "rape" we think of the classical violent rape that is often seen in the movies.

And while I am sure that this form of rape does happen way too often, rape is also any unwanted and forced sexual contact even if it is not violent.

I would argue forced sexual contact is by definition violent, even if it doesn't involve bludgeoning, knives or a gun. As it is a physical act that violates another person's body.

 Chongara wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I think that part of the problem with believing that 25% of women have reported sexual assault could be that when we think "rape" we think of the classical violent rape that is often seen in the movies.

And while I am sure that this form of rape does happen way too often, rape is also any unwanted and forced sexual contact even if it is not violent.

I would argue forced sexual contact is by definition violent, even if it doesn't involve bludgeoning, knives or a gun. As it is a physical act that violates another person's body.

Understandable argument.

 Frazzled wrote:


Why on earth would I be trolling? I have a wife and a daughter.
I have no interest in the stat being high, indeed, it would be an epic wish it were low (better nonexistent).
I'd pull stats but am at work.

No offence intended, of course. I apologise if that seemed rude.

I think I get what he was trying to say, and phrased it awkwardly. I think it's a tempest in a teapot, and worlds away from what Todd Akin said.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
I propose that it is not immaterial.

If the incidence of happy sexual relations is several orders of magnitude higher than the incidence of rape, and the incidence of rape is several orders of magnitude above the incidence of false rape accusation, then men have little to worry about.

Depends on the statistics though. US reports pop 20% - 25% of women have reported being raped in their lives. Thats a big damn number.

Source?

In fact lets have everyone POST SOURCES FOR YOUR STATISTC’S!

Why the feth are people trying to build factual arguments around numbers that may/may not have been pulled from someone’s arse?



Not trying to single you out frazz... well I sort of did anyway... no offense

97% of statistics are made up.

And rape statistics are especially suspect, given how many victims never report the crime out of fear of what the justice system will do to them.

Hence the famous line 'rape victims seeking justice instead get victimized twice.'

 Ouze wrote:
I think I get what he was trying to say, and phrased it awkwardly. I think it's a tempest in a teapot, and worlds away from what Todd Akin said.

Agreed.

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
Source?

In fact lets have everyone POST SOURCES FOR YOUR STATISTC’S!

Why the feth are people trying to build factual arguments around numbers that may/may not have been pulled from someone’s arse?

A range of studies have found results like these. Just go look up rape on the CDC website. The issue is that the definition of 'rape' in these studies is particularly loose. It isn't restricted to physical force leading to penetration (which is much more rare), but will generally include inappropriate touching or heavy coercion. Now, telling a girl you'll take her home in a minute so you can keep putting the hard word on her is a douche thing to do, but including in the category rape is really misleading.


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 Frazzled wrote:
Depends on the statistics though. US reports pop 20% - 25% of women have reported being raped in their lives. Thats a big damn number.

We've talked about that number before, and how it's categorising of rape is really misleading.

Simply put, it is not a one in four chance that a woman you know will at some point be physically forced into having sex. But it is a one in four chance that some point they will be touched inappropriately, or have someone attempt to use heavy coercion to have sex with them.


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 Vulcan wrote:
And rape statistics are especially suspect, given how many victims never report the crime out of fear of what the justice system will do to them.

Hence the famous line 'rape victims seeking justice instead get victimized twice.'

It isn't good, but things are improving, and reporting rates are believed to be slowly increasing as a result. Police culture in particular is now much improved.