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Hedkrakka wrote:

 Evil Lamp 6 wrote:
Glad that you went the route you did and glad we could help. I have to ask for the sake of my own curiosity, did you still go to your FLGS to possibly watch this train wreck of an event or know of anyone that did go or witnessed it?

No to the first question, yes to the second one. Three of my friends attended and two of them (with Eldar and BT) were eliminated on Day 1 (two games).

Oh do tell. I would love to hear about their accounts of how it went/was managed/how the TO was. How did they end up feeling about the event? What list ended up winning? Since they were both eliminated on Day 1, what knocked them out of the event? Did the TO ensure that all models were not conversions or similarly violate their standards for this event? What do your friends say about the other people at the event and how they felt about it? Did they, or yourself let the TO know how/why they felt about this event? So many questions!

 Evil Lamp 6 wrote:
Oh do tell. I would love to hear about their accounts of how it went/was managed/how the TO was. How did they end up feeling about the event? What list ended up winning? Since they were both eliminated on Day 1, what knocked them out of the event? Did the TO ensure that all models were not conversions or similarly violate their standards for this event? What do your friends say about the other people at the event and how they felt about it? Did they, or yourself let the TO know how/why they felt about this event? So many questions!

Indeed. I haven't talked to them in depth about how they felt about the event or the people, but I'm sure they weren't too depressed, they're both pretty easy-going guys.The tournament will be over tonight, and my third friend also lost (to yours truly, Necrons), I have no desire to keep track of the tournament. The others lost to Orks and BA. I imagine the TO enforced his rules pretty thoroughly, considering he attempted to troll my CCS for bringing a perfectly legal amount of special weapons. I just wonder about the validity of such rules. Answering your final question, why would I talk to the TO again? It's a mere 2-3 months before I move, so I don't need to get along with him (thank God). It doesn't matter how anyone feels about it, as long as there are people playing them, he can make up rules. I really begin to understand what all the people who told me to screw the tournament were talking about.

Corollax wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:
For some reason, people have this strange idea that you need to have skyfire weapons to be able to hit fliers at all. If terminators fail armor saves, then regular weapons hit fliers.

It's a lot easier to wound a T4 model than penetrate an AV12 vehicle. And when you're trying for those 1/6 chances, you want to be able to roll a lot of dice.

Lascannon pens AV12 on a 4+. Most small-arms wound T4 on a 4+.

Which brings me again tot he issue of rolling a lot of dice.

What's greater? Your ratio of small arms fire to enemy terminators, or your ratio of small arms meltaguns to enemy vehicles?

 Hedkrakka wrote:
It's a mere 2-3 months before I move, so I don't need to get along with him (thank God).

I must have missed this part. If I had known, I DEFINITELY would have said 'screw that noise, go pack some boxes.'

Ailaros wrote:So? Meltaguns and lascannons still can and do take down fliers. You don't need dedicated AA in order to handle fliers.

And as for ignoring necron fliers being an auto-loss, I highly disagree. I've won roughly half the games I've played against my local mult-flier necron army, and I've done it largely without dedicated AA weapons.

Necron stuff is expensive. In order to have a decent air force, you've got to make serious sacrifices to either ground firepower or scoring units, both of which can easily be a strategic Achilles's heel.

A Night Scythe w/ 5x Warriors is only 165 points. That's silly-cheap. You can fly six of that unit at 990 points (I think six is too many, though... 4 is the magic number IMO). That leaves lots of room for other threats, such as two units of 6x Wraiths w/ 4 & 3 Whip Coils, 3x A.Barges, and a couple of D.Lords.

I think one of the things that makes the Necron Air Force such a hazard is that unlike most Necron units, this one is dirt cheap on the points and doesn't really require much of a sacrifice in other areas.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Ailaros wrote:So? Meltaguns and lascannons still can and do take down fliers. You don't need dedicated AA in order to handle fliers.

And as for ignoring necron fliers being an auto-loss, I highly disagree. I've won roughly half the games I've played against my local mult-flier necron army, and I've done it largely without dedicated AA weapons.

Necron stuff is expensive. In order to have a decent air force, you've got to make serious sacrifices to either ground firepower or scoring units, both of which can easily be a strategic Achilles's heel.

A Night Scythe w/ 5x Warriors is only 165 points. That's silly-cheap. You can fly six of that unit at 990 points (I think six is too many, though... 4 is the magic number IMO). That leaves lots of room for other threats, such as two units of 6x Wraiths w/ 4 & 3 Whip Coils, 3x A.Barges, and a couple of D.Lords.

I think one of the things that makes the Necron Air Force such a hazard is that unlike most Necron units, this one is dirt cheap on the points and doesn't really require much of a sacrifice in other areas.

While silly cheap, I think the big kick is that a lot of the Necron fliers are dedicated transports so they don't even need to sacrifice troops to get them like other armies where they are Fast Attack.

Yes, it is *possible* to shoot down a zooming flyer w/o AA, but it is still far easier to torrent terminators, as they are vulnerable to small arms fire. Even AV 11 laughs at non-Tau small arms. Unless termigants can still get STR 5 fleshborers

Hedkrakka wrote:Indeed. I haven't talked to them in depth about how they felt about the event or the people, but I'm sure they weren't too depressed, they're both pretty easy-going guys.The tournament will be over tonight, and my third friend also lost (to yours truly, Necrons), I have no desire to keep track of the tournament. The others lost to Orks and BA. I imagine the TO enforced his rules pretty thoroughly, considering he attempted to troll my CCS for bringing a perfectly legal amount of special weapons. I just wonder about the validity of such rules. Answering your final question, why would I talk to the TO again? It's a mere 2-3 months before I move, so I don't need to get along with him (thank God). It doesn't matter how anyone feels about it, as long as there are people playing them, he can make up rules. I really begin to understand what all the people who told me to screw the tournament were talking about.

Thank you for answering! Yeah, since you are moving away, screw it. It wouldn't hurt to possibly "help" the 40k scene in your area prior to your leaving, but as you said, as long as there are the people willing to abide by that TO's restrictions, then I suppose there isn't much of a point.

Briancj wrote:

 Hedkrakka wrote:
It's a mere 2-3 months before I move, so I don't need to get along with him (thank God).

I must have missed this part. If I had known, I DEFINITELY would have said 'screw that noise, go pack some boxes.'

Yeah, I must have missed that part too.

 Hedkrakka wrote:
I did decide to back off in the end, since he started complaining about my army when I went to the LGS this morning: "Are you sure you can have three plasma guns in your command squad?"...

Screw this tournament.


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And thanks to all who tried to help.

You should have told him... "Actually I can take 4, but whos counting?".

I would have done the same thing btw.

honestly i would say that i bought three valks and out of the kit it allows you to build a vend with three valk boxes

if you cant i would just spam the one lrbt that has the ridiculous amount of shots per tank then some plasma russes and anihilate the ground with the plasma and shoot down fliers with the super bolter thingy i dont play ig i have no idea what its called

mainly if you dont have any valks and the TO is being a stubborn little dink then play the tourny with lrbt spam and then at the end after you win call shenanigans on him then the whole city will beat him with brooms and you will win

Your best bet would be Leman Russ Exterminators, or Las/Auto Cannon Spam (Auto for AA, Las for AT)

Bring them Heavy Weapon Squads and 2 CCS!

The tournament is over.

 Briancj wrote:
The tournament is over.

What, do you mean I have to read the thread before posting?!