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I just think its stupid what prices are on these models,and what is worse people are so happy to pay it... £35 for 5 Terminators??? £45 for a flyer really it looks like a Stormtalon with wings.

 Briooh wrote:
I just think its stupid what prices are on these models,and what is worse people are so happy to pay it... £35 for 5 Terminators??? £45 for a flyer really it looks like a Stormtalon with wings.

Why is it worse if people think they are worth that price? Just because people think differently about things than you doesn't make them wrong. The price issue has been done to death. If you think they are too high, buy from discounters/secondhand, convert, use third party or don't play. You don't have to pay GWs prices to play 40k.

Its worse because they will keep increasing the price until its not affordable for younger players or people that cant afford to pay huge amounts of money for something that costs A few £'s to actually produce. So are you telling me that its right to take advantage of people because they are the only people that produce a product and can screw you for as many £'s as they can..

They are a business. They will charge what the market can bear. If it goes too high, they will go out of business. If you don't like the price, there are other options. I tend to buy most of my GW second hand, for example.

Wayland games doing 20% off which is cool. Not having a go at you Pretre just a bit pissed at the prices going sky high in under a year on all the products. I tend not to buy 2nd hand as the ones I did buy were stuck together using the glue that melted the plastic and its a pain in the ass to strip paint etc.

In the US, Frontline is doing 25% as well.

I have no doubt that GW are pricing themselves appropriately for whatever agenda as a business they have. - Which is probably, short term increase in share price so that the majority shareholders (who, allegedly are the guys in charge of GW anyhow) can sell them off in the next few years as they retire and live comfortably.)

That doesn't mean it's appropriate for the playerbase and people like Briooh who want younger players into the game for future opponents etc and the growth of GW/40k stuff.

Don't mistake me, I'm not saying that anything you said, Pretre is wrong. However, there are choices that GW could have made that would have been better for them as a business both mid and long term, as well as being good for the playerbase. It's not an either/or situation.

At the end of the day, Briooh, I'm in the same situation, which is why I'm now looking at mantic games, as well as having just recently pledged a not-small amount of money (though funnily enough, only the price of 2 DA battleforces...) for Rick Priestley's new Gates of Antares game... Ideally, it will be 40k-ish without the corporate rubbish - Have a look at his forum posts both here and on the darkspace corps site, it cheered me up after looking at some of GW's latest DA mis-steps, eg their prices...

I'm having a hard time getting riled up over prices right now. Because, you know, plasma cannon Terminators.

Also, I'll probably buy the Command Squad for 20% off from the Warstore, and the Dark Vengeance Terminators for $14.99...............that's 10 Deathwing terminators for about 2 dollars more than just the Command Squad set direct from GW.

The DA flyer is at a really unfortunate price, because it's the only way I'd field a Storm Talon, so I guess that means I'll never have a Storm Talon, lol.

Now that we know who wrote the book, I am far more interested in the Dark Angels. The Skaven fantasy book is great, both on the fluff and rules-end (internal balance, although not perfect, is much better than most). I may actually be able to pick up a new Imperial army without it turning my stomach like any of Ward's offerings (he ruined the Ultramarines and Grey Knights, and I never cared for Blood Angels or Wolves[I know he didn't write this one, that's Kelly's failing] anyway).

Ward didn't do space wolves.

 pretre wrote:
Ward didn't do space wolves.

I never said he did, although I guess that could be misinterpreted from my post. I simply meant that was one Imperial army I am not interested in, so it was not an option. I already have IG, Sisters don't count, and everything else is Ward.

 Omegus wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Ward didn't do space wolves.

I never said he did, although I guess that could be misinterpreted from my post. I simply meant that was one Imperial army I am not interested in, so it was not an option. I already have IG, Sisters don't count, and everything else is Ward.

Just sayin'.

I like that I can buy one box of termies and can make 3 different units. Given that I already have 20 termies, I think this should be a very cheap release for me. Im mostly curious about how kitting terminators will work. Such as which combos will be best and which heavy weapons will be the new CMLs.

Reading throught these posts, I find a lot of negative comments about it :/ killed the excitement of a potenitally new army.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
Reading throught these posts, I find a lot of negative comments about it :/ killed the excitement of a potenitally new army.

Meh, I'm excited anyways.

I find the comments about GW driving people away from the hobby kind of funny. I had friends that said the same thing 10-15 years ago, yet here GW is going strong.



And I dig the Termie Knights.

I think DV is going to make Dark Angels a popular choice. The new Termi and Ravenwing kits have so many bits that with just a little bit of surgery, you should be able to turn the extremely cheap DV kits into optimal set ups.

It all depends on the rules for me though. I won't be getting anything until May at the earliest anyway, so I'm in no rush. I think overall this is a pretty strong release... at least compared to the Chaos one.

SavageRobby wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
Reading throught these posts, I find a lot of negative comments about it :/ killed the excitement of a potenitally new army.

Meh, I'm excited anyways.

I find the comments about GW driving people away from the hobby kind of funny. I had friends that said the same thing 10-15 years ago, yet here GW is going strong.



And I dig the Termie Knights.

Me too. Dont have enough for everything, so probably going to get the knights or command squad.

Dont forget that the £35 includes kits to make the Deathwing, Deathwing Command and the Knights. Im buying one box for the Knights, then ill use the other parts with some bodies/legs/shoulders from Ebay, and build at least another 5 termies depending on the options in the codex for unit size. That plasma cannon looks tasty

I agree the prices are high, but thats par for the course with GW. Wayland has 20%+ off the new DA stuff, go have a look

I actually prefer the Stormtalon to the Nephilim. But annoyingly the Stormtalon isnt in the DA section on GW's website, so im guessing it wont be in the new Dex.

Guess ill go with the Nephilim. Like hell will I use the Dark Talon. Looks like a flying chapel. I like the gothic stuff, but not when it looks that tacky (See Landspeeder Darkshroud. The Vengence has grown on me a little)

Do you think you can convert a stormtalon to dark talon?

Yes, intact I think it will be fairly easy to do

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Don't Ogres and Skaven have the reputation for being the 'Matt Ward' codices of Fantasy?

While Skaven and Ogres are powerful, they're not broken (although I hate Skaven with a passion...). They're good, solid books.

QFT skaven are powerful but believe me one of your own cannons derping can blow your army off the board

Well, I'll be interested how much RW and DW units cost point-wise. Chaos bikers got very cheap in the new edition. I'll be curious to see if they set forth this trend. Otherwise, I guess that DW and RW armies will be heavily outnumbered which is bad news in the new edition, since fearless hordes (mobs or broods) have nothing to fear in cc (no more additional hits after loosing a round of cc).

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Omegus wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Ward didn't do space wolves.

I never said he did, although I guess that could be misinterpreted from my post. I simply meant that was one Imperial army I am not interested in, so it was not an option. I already have IG, Sisters don't count, and everything else is Ward.

Just sayin'.

I stand by my


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SavageRobby wrote:
I find the comments about GW driving people away from the hobby kind of funny. I had friends that said the same thing 10-15 years ago, yet here GW is going strong.

You can google with limited time periods and find the exact same complaints. What's even funnier is when they are from the same people...

The Skaven Army Book has the largest FAQ/Errata of any army in Fantasy or 40K. Nine pages worth of supplementary rules to make the army book work. Some of the most broken units in the game- Hellpit Abomination, Warp Lightning Cannon, Doomwheel, Doombell, and most powerful spell in the game. Let's also not forget that you can field Skaven Slaves for 1/2 point each in unlimited sizes. Want some fun? Face an opponent in a 2000 point game with two blocks of 200 slaves for 200 points. After you see those 400 models, take a look at the other 1800 points of his army. Have fun grinding through that! BTW, I am a Skaven player.

Point being- Vetock can be as bad, or worse then Ward when it comes to rules. The only difference is that Vetock doesn't write horrible fluff.

The prices on the stuff... Can't believe the Dark Talon kit is almost twice the price of a Stormtalon. What? I can see the DW Termy squad going up- the sprues are packed with extra bits. The bikes though... three models for that price? Finally, the codex itself. Hardback and 104 pages, and $50... kinda funny, but my last Dark Angels codex was 88 pages, soft back, and only cost $25. Is a fancy cover, 16 pages of (possibly) questionable retcon fluff, recycled artwork, and pictures of new models really worth $25? Each person will have to decide that for themselves.

I'll tell you that if I was a new player to the game, I wouldn't start a Dark Angels army at those prices. As a long time DA player, I'm going to buy a Dark Talon, simply because flyers are kinda OP at the moment, and if you don't have one, you're at a bit of a disadvantage. I'll get a Deathwing Command Squad (maybe two...) just for the Knights and the bits for a proper DW Command Squad for Belial (bad, bad pose! Who stands like that? OMG!). I might get the Ravenwing Command Squad. Again, more for the bits then anything. I have no love for Space Marines riding motocycles into battle. That Unholy Abomination Land Speeder? GW can keep that thing.

The new models look great, but the new prices don't. Jeremy Vetock can be a great army book writer (Ogre Kingdoms), or a pretty bad one (Skaven). I'm hoping we get something somewhere in the middle.

I, for one, welcome the new cheesey book if it so happens.

Got my arse kicked so many times I wouldnt mind steam rolling things over.

 Tamwulf wrote:
The Skaven Army Book has the largest FAQ/Errata of any army in Fantasy or 40K. Nine pages worth of supplementary rules to make the army book work. Some of the most broken units in the game- Hellpit Abomination, Warp Lightning Cannon, Doomwheel, Doombell, and most powerful spell in the game. Let's also not forget that you can field Skaven Slaves for 1/2 point each in unlimited sizes. Want some fun? Face an opponent in a 2000 point game with two blocks of 200 slaves for 200 points. After you see those 400 models, take a look at the other 1800 points of his army. Have fun grinding through that! BTW, I am a Skaven player.

I managed to Proxy a 3000 point Skaven list comprising mostly of Engineers, Slaves and HPA's...
To resulting army took 5 other armies to proxy.
Can't recall the end model count but it took a while to finish the game... (Against Ogres)

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
Reading throught these posts, I find a lot of negative comments about it :/ killed the excitement of a potenitally new army.

I can help bring the excitement back! Plasma cannon Terminators! Woo!

Hmm think I'll buy the Dark Vengeance pack and sell all the dark angel figures on ebay.. I want to start chaos army after I've finished my Sanguine, I can get hold of that for £48 no P&P

Anyone else think the Plasma Termy may have been inspired by the WNT writer's "combiplasma" conversion for his Armies on Display last year (2012)?

And that that same guy is very annoyed that the very part he had to convert is produced not 6 months and he could get it for a discount, along with some great terminators.