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Studio mcvey have said they want to release it without KS. I hope they stick to this and release it via the normal means.

Maybe AoS will include an updated rule book?

I personally feel that a non kick starter release would be more beneficial long term and for retailers to pick it up. Why bother risk stocking a product that the majority of people who want it, already own it?

If they do another kickstarter I hope they focus on quality of components and no more homages. For the love of god no more homages.

official news and pictures

Hi guys

When we fist conceived Arms of Sorrow (quite some time ago...) it was going to be a small expansion for Battle for Alabaster - primarily designed to tie-up the storyline from the first game, and continued the fight between the Strain and Vanguard. That would then set up a larger release which would introduce two new factions. As we started to develop AoS, it soon became clear that what we were in fact working on, was another product the size of Battle for Alabaster - which would be a stand alone game in it's own right. This left me in a difficult position - I had already announced Arms of Sorrow (at the end of the BfA rule book), but I desperately wanted to bring in the new factions as well.

What I have decided to do, is (broadly speaking) both.

Arms of Sorrow will be a direct continuation of Battle for Alabaster, with the action taking place on the Vanguard Bastion ship. It will be a stand alone game of the same size as Battle for Alabaster. It will contain all new miniatures for Vanguard and Strain, counters and tokens, completely new tiles and a new rule and scenario book. The core rules will be the same as BfA, but it will introduce some new elements (which would be usable in either game). At the same time we will release two smaller expansions - one for Firebrand and one for Bounty Dogs. - Each will contain brand new miniatures, cards, rule and scenario book, counters and some new tiles. These will be usable with either BfA or AoS, though the narrative will link them in primarily with AoS.

It just makes more sense to me to release the new factions as expansions - so if you already have BfA, you don't need to buy the game again (which is essentially what you will be doing if AoS was Firebrand vs Bounty Dogs) to get the new material. Or if you just want the Firebrand, you don't have to buy the Bounty Dogs as well (and vice-versa).

We're already pretty deep into development on this stuff and 90% of the miniatures are done for AoS. I'm not going to talk about release dates at the moment though.

As a preview, we are going to have resins of two of the character miniatures for AoS at Salute this weekend - Phaedrus Chirurge and Commodore Grist. We'll have very limited numbers of both for sale.

Phaedrus is on a 40mm base in this picture, Grist on a 50mm

Anyway - I hope that answers some of your questions about what we're planning.

cheers

mike

 Piston Honda wrote:
I personally feel that a non kick starter release would be more beneficial long term and for retailers to pick it up. Why bother risk stocking a product that the majority of people who want it, already own it?

If they do another kickstarter I hope they focus on quality of components and no more homages. For the love of god no more homages.

While I don't really agree with the first part I am happy to leave it be, as for the second part about no more homages, that!

I only got the Firefly Crew and the Mass Effect Guy (mainly coz the concept looked awesome) but I loved the idea of the homage characters as it meant a lot of people were getting excited and dropping down some coin.
This in turn increased my overall benefits as the Sweetspot pledge went through the roof in minis and extras.

Just coz I didn't go for the Aliens characters or the Cylon lady or whatever doesn't mean they were wasted stretch goals just because they didn't appeal to me, as I still benefited over and above the base game and those extra pledgers bumped up the total and possibly got their friends in on that.


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Also, freaking sweet pics of the new guys!

The Commodore looks like he has a FO3 Powerglove. Love it!

and as this also seems to be for general Studio McVey news

Ur-Fidyr limited edition resin by Thomas David - released for Salute





Studio McVey will be at booth TK-17 at Salute they will be running demos of BfA and previewing AoS.

AoS and two other (small) expansions at the same time ?

much as I love sedition wars I'm not sure that is the right move in terms of the amount of spending I'll need to so

guess I'll have to wait and see how much the firebrand/bounty dogs expansions are

Gotta say, hearing that 90% of AOS is done whilst exciting is pretty vexing at the same time. As i along with a lot of people are still waiting for a lot of stuff.

Its gone very quiet on Wave 2 of the SW KS, we havent even seen finished products for a lot of the models.

How about focussing on the stuff people have already paid for Studio McVey?

Ooo, pretty sweet. Looks like there's a lot more SW goodness coming.

 DiabolicAl wrote:
Gotta say, hearing that 90% of AOS is done whilst exciting is pretty vexing at the same time. As i along with a lot of people are still waiting for a lot of stuff.

Its gone very quiet on Wave 2 of the SW KS, we havent even seen finished products for a lot of the models.

How about focussing on the stuff people have already paid for Studio McVey?

All these things take a long time to make, so work on AoS had begun before the Sedition Wars KS began

Remember a lot of this stuff is commissioning sculptors (you can't make them work any faster) so time for work on AoS

Then sending the stuff off to China, again lots of time to work on AoS

(and in terms of rules changes/updates etc the work on AoS will also count as work on SW rules revisions)

That's all very reasonable.

I guess the part that is still pertinent is getting some updates out of them, bearing in mind that Wave 2 is estimated to ship in March 2013...

Did they ever rectify the curling boards issue the 1st KS had. I remember the suggested solutions weren't working and the boards kept curling up like Taco shells.

Most peoples board were fine ,

Some were not and CMON sent out replacements to those who asked for them

(I've not seen any recent postings about people still waiting so I presume that's complete)

All 3 sets of my boards were excellent. One of my markers was slightly off but that didn't really bother me.

Personally I have no issue with them working on projects at the same time as the kickstarter stuff as long as the actual models come to us before they release the new product.

As for the models shown they look good. I still want an armored head gnosis suit but still looks good.

Liking the new figures.

Hope to see more interesting/ bizarre Strain stuff. The less human looking the better in my opinion.

I could go either way on the kickstarting issue. I would imagine everyone involved at McVey's and CMON has learned a lot about the whole process and would put together quite the tempting package for potential backers. At the very least by going the KS route you get a lot of instant feedback from backers and I could see them being a lot more forthcoming this time around with rules and information. It's going to be tougher crowd to win over the second time around.

Hopefully all the shipping issues will have been dealt with prior to a potential KS going live.

On the other hand if they want to send this straight out to market, I'll be putting my money down.

Same here - and I hope they still plan on expanding this game into a full fledged tabletop skirmish/wargame at some point...

Liking the two new "commander" figures. During the KS, the fluff describing the not-Battlestar Galactica girl as a scientist that was "immune" to the Strain. Wonder if they are taking that and making it part of the official story. Phaedrus Chirurge is retaining a lot more human features than any other advanced Strain model.

Though will be chopping off her "HELLO" hand and replacing it with something a bit more vicious.

Wonder if the two new models will be at adepticon......

The KS Hexen version is non canon it was just a way of getting a not "six" into the KS. The character herself is just Phaedrus and I believe there are 2 versions of her in AoS if you look at the GAMA picture you will see a smaller female beside the larger Phaedrus Chirurge both have the long bendy right arm going on.

Not sure cincydooley Mike will have them at Salute and only a limited number of resins were made. I'd say if CMoN have anything it will just be an unpainted display model like GAMA.

Limited edition low numbers and resin = very expensive

 cincydooley wrote:
Wonder if the two new models will be at adepticon......

Given Salute and Adepticon are on the same weekend, I doubt it :(


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 NAVARRO wrote:
Limited edition low numbers and resin = GW standard prices = very expensive

Fixed that for you

Doubt they will be more than their standard prices and the two were "limited numbers", not limited edition. It is likely this is just the first of the production run and given the general availability of the SW figures on their site, later availability shouldn't be a problem.


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 DaveC wrote:
The KS Hexen version is non canon it was just a way of getting a not "six" into the KS. The character herself is just Phaedrus and I believe there are 2 versions of her in AoS if you look at the GAMA picture you will see a smaller female beside the larger Phaedrus Chirurge both have the long bendy right arm going on.

Oh don't expect the figure to become canon, but the story of a scientist that gains control/immunity may work its way in. Obvious copyright issues if they did release Hexen. That is what I was try to say.

 DaveC wrote:
The KS Hexen version is non canon it was just a way of getting a not "six" into the KS. The character herself is just Phaedrus and I believe there are 2 versions of her in AoS if you look at the GAMA picture you will see a smaller female beside the larger Phaedrus Chirurge both have the long bendy right arm going on.

Good call! I hadn't made that connection

Will those models be available outside of Salute? The commodore in particular looks great.

A joey and her Roo

http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2013/4/15/1f198e2a3dfc9317121f47da84c74fa8_61979.jpg__thumb

 Marrak wrote:
Will those models be available outside of Salute? The commodore in particular looks great.

They'll be part of the AoS game when it's released

Why bother risk stocking a product that the majority of people who want it, already own it?

There are more than 5,000 customers in the world... apparently Dreadball sold 3 times as much through retailers after having the success and hype from Kickstarter./

Also a whole load of new stores who never bothered with Mantic before have stocked Dreadball because of the buzz the KS produced

So (with luck) Mantic may now be able to sell them other stuff too

Sorry about some minor necromancy, but has anyone heard anything about the Sedition wars KS stuff that is supposed to be on the way?

I have heard that the wave 2 models are to be shipped by the end of July (grr...) but what about any movement on the downloadable campaign and the 2nd edition of the rulebook? Seeing as a full year since the KS is coming up, I wouldn't mind hearing even an update..........

Yeah I just posted an update in the other thread

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/3810/451585.page

Gah! I just though I checked there and it was still silent! Thanks, Dave.

Picture from the CMoN Expo by Dayminkaynin on the Studio McVey forum