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There is a thread for Sedition Wars, but it's more focused on the old KS. This is certainly news.

I hope they won't do a KS for this anytime soon. Rather my wallet surely hopes they don't. I actually hope they don't even think of starting up the expansion KS before the second wave of the first KS ships.

I love those guys with shields, and more gribby goodies are always a delight.

If mcvey gives me guys with shields, i will paint them as Roman shields. With Oak leaves and the word SolCon (Solar Conglomerate)

From what they last said they weren't doing a KS for the expansion.

Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

Yeah, it does seem rather odd that they're spending resources on sculpts for an expansion before the wave 2 KS models are even ready. It's just as questionable as using resources getting Gnosis Armor Kara painted professionally when the only people that could have gotten it have already paid for it.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

They have been working on these before the kickstarter even started.

That, and it has been rumored they have/were/are looking for a new manufacturer.

Hopefully one that can reduce the amount of mold lines.

Excellent stuff! I've not started painting my set yet, still cleaning the minis up!

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

They have been working on these before the kickstarter even started.

That, and it has been rumored they have/were/are looking for a new manufacturer.

Hopefully one that can reduce the amount of mold lines.

Swing by the Studio McVey Site, Blog & Forums.

Notice they didn't make any announcements about this themselves. They tried to obfuscate the fact that they had so much of this expansion done due to how pissed people are with the Kickstarter.

Otherwise?

They would have been posting up all those sculpts in progress and cool artwork for us to see. The problem is, they know they should have diverted resources to finishing up the Kickstarter pledges and did not. Whether it is CMON or Studio McVeys fault, there has also been horrible communication.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

They have been working on these before the kickstarter even started.

That, and it has been rumored they have/were/are looking for a new manufacturer.

Hopefully one that can reduce the amount of mold lines.

Swing by the Studio McVey Site, Blog & Forums.

Notice they didn't make any announcements about this themselves. They tried to obfuscate the fact that they had so much of this expansion done due to how pissed people are with the Kickstarter.

Otherwise?

They would have been posting up all those sculpts in progress and cool artwork for us to see. The problem is, they know they should have diverted resources to finishing up the Kickstarter pledges and did not. Whether it is CMON or Studio McVeys fault, there has also been horrible communication.

Mike already stated himself back around late summer I believe he was already in the middle of working on AoS over the forum.

EDIT: I think the major problem that CMON/SM hit was the got to wrapped up in trying to produce a boat load of miniatures, what was it, ever 20 or 50k stretch goal was "here have another dozen miniatures", rather than focusing on quality.

Not saying it had to be boutique or the quality of his resins.


But so much was focused on quantity when more should have been focused on quality of miniatures and components. The box set alone contains more miniatures than I probably will paint.

From a company like Studio McVey, I honestly thought they would focus on quality first, however, it seemed as though they (CMON/SM) gave what the people wanted a ton of miniatures, basically emulating the previous Zombicide kickstarter.

From following the Studio McVey forums this has been in the planning since before the KS

I'm certainly buying it however it comes out (normal retail channels appears to be the plan)

They've also had problems in that Rob (Rules writer & important part of the SW team) has recently been very ill recently, so Mike will have been trying to fill in on his behind the scenes roles too.

INFO BURST: Rob has just reappeared on the forums and has said the revised rulebook (version 1.5) is now in layout and will be available to download soon.

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

They have been working on these before the kickstarter even started.

That, and it has been rumored they have/were/are looking for a new manufacturer.

Hopefully one that can reduce the amount of mold lines.

Swing by the Studio McVey Site, Blog & Forums.

Notice they didn't make any announcements about this themselves. They tried to obfuscate the fact that they had so much of this expansion done due to how pissed people are with the Kickstarter.

Otherwise?

They would have been posting up all those sculpts in progress and cool artwork for us to see. The problem is, they know they should have diverted resources to finishing up the Kickstarter pledges and did not. Whether it is CMON or Studio McVeys fault, there has also been horrible communication.

Mike already stated himself back around late summer I believe he was already in the middle of working on AoS over the forum.

EDIT: I think the major problem that CMON/SM hit was the got to wrapped up in trying to produce a boat load of miniatures, what was it, ever 20 or 50k stretch goal was "here have another dozen miniatures", rather than focusing on quality.

Not saying it had to be boutique or the quality of his resins.


But so much was focused on quantity when more should have been focused on quality of miniatures and components. The box set alone contains more miniatures than I probably will paint.

From a company like Studio McVey, I honestly thought they would focus on quality first, however, it seemed as though they (CMON/SM) gave what the people wanted a ton of miniatures, basically emulating the previous Zombicide kickstarter.

I hate to say it but Zombicide was a quality product. I am sad I missed out on the Zombicide kickstarter. IF I had to choose between one or the other, I would have got into the Zombicide Kickstarter. (Not to mention, that stuff had some resale value. SEDITION WARS? NONE)

What I don't get is how people keep assuming it's impossible to have more than one project in the pipeline at any given time. There's more than one sculptor in the world - just getting this stuff sculpted while the KS wave two stuff is getting tooled makes complete sense. And yes, I know some of the sculpting overlapped but really, I think a lot of folks have to adjust expectations when getting involved much earlier in the process than a customer usually would the way that happens via KS...

As to the pics well, they *seem* to be lovely models... not easy to make out in that pic though.

Also, it seems as if the plan to use AoS to introduce the firebrand is shelved in favour of extending the vanguard and strain ranges a bit more. That's actually good, in my book: those both need a little fleshing out and I'd rather see new factions get introduced in a "big" box set of sufficient size to do them justice

I think KS's do give some strange sense of entitlement to their backers...
Studio Mcvey and other companies can and should develop projects simultaneously for the sake of the health of their own companies, the idea they should produce things only when you have Wave2 on your doorstep is a bit unreasonable.

If anyone has a problem with timings then just don't preorder stuff and save yourself a deal of frustration... I don't.

These pics look inspiring but somehow I expect more unique pieces from Mcvey, nicely casted and in good materials, not really looking for boxed sets with lots of minis.

Bolognesus wrote:
Also, it seems as if the plan to use AoS to introduce the firebrand is shelved in favour of extending the vanguard and strain ranges a bit more. That's actually good, in my book: those both need a little fleshing out and I'd rather see new factions get introduced in a "big" box set of sufficient size to do them justice

Could also be a nice continuation of the story where towards the end of the AoS campaign, some Firebrand insurgants try to capture a strain for their own purposes...

NAVARRO wrote:
These pics look inspiring but somehow I expect more unique pieces from Mcvey, nicely casted and in good materials, not really looking for boxed sets with lots of minis.

I'm with you there on the minis bud. You did get an absolute truckload of minis in the boxed game and I'm very happy with them, however painting them seems daunting. I've yet to assemble them all and have still got 1/4 of them still to do. Cleaning them up is time consuming as well...

Given the choice, I'd have gone for less minis if they'd have been in resin at a higher quality. Same for the board sections - higher quality over quantity even if that meant a higher price.

I can't wait for the revised rulebook for SW, which will also hopefully be formatted better/more logically!

 Alpharius wrote:
I can't wait for the revised rulebook for SW, which will also hopefully be formatted better/more logically!

Hope they allow us to buy printed versions as well including the additional stuff they've put out...

Wow, pretty excited about those new big beasties. Well, actually, all of that looks pretty fun. Think my faves are the XL crab-ish guy on the right, and the tendril guy in the middle

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

They have been working on these before the kickstarter even started.

That, and it has been rumored they have/were/are looking for a new manufacturer.

Hopefully one that can reduce the amount of mold lines.

Swing by the Studio McVey Site, Blog & Forums.

Notice they didn't make any announcements about this themselves. They tried to obfuscate the fact that they had so much of this expansion done due to how pissed people are with the Kickstarter.

Otherwise?

They would have been posting up all those sculpts in progress and cool artwork for us to see. The problem is, they know they should have diverted resources to finishing up the Kickstarter pledges and did not. Whether it is CMON or Studio McVeys fault, there has also been horrible communication.

Mike already stated himself back around late summer I believe he was already in the middle of working on AoS over the forum.

EDIT: I think the major problem that CMON/SM hit was the got to wrapped up in trying to produce a boat load of miniatures, what was it, ever 20 or 50k stretch goal was "here have another dozen miniatures", rather than focusing on quality.

Not saying it had to be boutique or the quality of his resins.


But so much was focused on quantity when more should have been focused on quality of miniatures and components. The box set alone contains more miniatures than I probably will paint.

From a company like Studio McVey, I honestly thought they would focus on quality first, however, it seemed as though they (CMON/SM) gave what the people wanted a ton of miniatures, basically emulating the previous Zombicide kickstarter.

I hate to say it but Zombicide was a quality product. I am sad I missed out on the Zombicide kickstarter. IF I had to choose between one or the other, I would have got into the Zombicide Kickstarter. (Not to mention, that stuff had some resale value. SEDITION WARS? NONE)

It had less issues for sure. The biggest issue with zombicide was a rather simple fix. The scenarios in the book suck donkey. The game in general is way too easy, the simplistic scenarios in the book don't help at all. Just once I would like to lose a game in zombicide.

One of the biggest reasons I think Sedition Wars does not have a great resale market is that it flooded compared to zombicide. More people bought sedition wars and tried to resell at a ridiculous profit or were not satisfied with the product after opening it.

While SedWars had issues with rules and physical quality. I will give Mike and CMON some slack, this was their first joint project together. Can't imagine it being easy for either side on top of some of the Chinese manufacturing issues.

Just hope I see improvements to quality. I bought SedWars because I thought the universe was awesome, not because I wanted a cheap proxy for Guardsmen and Tyranids.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I think KS's do give some strange sense of entitlement to their backers...
Studio Mcvey and other companies can and should develop projects simultaneously for the sake of the health of their own companies, the idea they should produce things only when you have Wave2 on your doorstep is a bit unreasonable.

If anyone has a problem with timings then just don't preorder stuff and save yourself a deal of frustration... I don't.

These pics look inspiring but somehow I expect more unique pieces from Mcvey, nicely casted and in good materials, not really looking for boxed sets with lots of minis.

I think it depends. This is going through normal channels, so I don't see an issue with it. Plus all that is left for the SW KS is exclusive figures that need to be sculpted. It is when someone starts a new KS and hasn't delivered much/anything on the first KS that I have issues.

I wouldn't criticize the figs just yet. Those look like work in progress figs still and blurry photos to boot.

I'm excited for new stuff. I'll have 4 biohazards when I'm done and started painting up some of the basic troopers and love them. cleaning is actually pretty quick and easy once you get in a groove.

Resale isn't great but people shouldn't have bought on the idea of resale so I have no pity for them.

New product looks pretty good. I'm looking forward to some up close images and more information on the game as I'll probably pick one or two up.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I can't wait for the revised rulebook for SW, which will also hopefully be formatted better/more logically!

Hope they allow us to buy printed versions as well including the additional stuff they've put out...

No.

They should be GIVING us a copy of the damned rulebook in our phase 2 printed for Free.

What is with some of you guys wanting to re-buy crap product we already paid for? It's a known fact that the Sedition Wars Rulebook is GAK. It is such Gak less than 6 months after release it's been entirely revised. We got their game on the market for them and assisted them in growing via this kickstarter and in return? I think every single individual has gotten something broken/warped/damage in their pledge. I think we've ALL gotten this piece of **** rulebook with the poorly written rules and ambiguous wordings etc..

Why should we be paying for a 2nd copy? It should be given to us, the loyal backers for free; especially after all the nonsense this KS has entailed.

Before you reply with some snarky little comment about entitlement, please don't tell me you Kickstarted for altruistic reasons out of the goodness of your heart as an act of charity to help a company make millions; you didn't, none of us did, we all pledged to get the rewards.

P.S. I own almost every Studio McVey Resin figure and owned all of the Studio McVey Sedition Wars figures BEFORE the game or kickstarter was announced. I am usually the person who would be defending Studio McVey, their actions after this Kickstarter have left a definite sour taste in my mouth. I used to have frequent contact with Mike, let's just say, Mike used to be much closer to his fans and consumers before this Kickstarter. Now? I will have to really think hard before I ever buy a Studio McVey product again. They made a huge mistake, going for quantity over quality, when quality is what they were known for.


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 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

They have been working on these before the kickstarter even started.

That, and it has been rumored they have/were/are looking for a new manufacturer.

Hopefully one that can reduce the amount of mold lines.

Swing by the Studio McVey Site, Blog & Forums.

Notice they didn't make any announcements about this themselves. They tried to obfuscate the fact that they had so much of this expansion done due to how pissed people are with the Kickstarter.

Otherwise?

They would have been posting up all those sculpts in progress and cool artwork for us to see. The problem is, they know they should have diverted resources to finishing up the Kickstarter pledges and did not. Whether it is CMON or Studio McVeys fault, there has also been horrible communication.

Mike already stated himself back around late summer I believe he was already in the middle of working on AoS over the forum.

EDIT: I think the major problem that CMON/SM hit was the got to wrapped up in trying to produce a boat load of miniatures, what was it, ever 20 or 50k stretch goal was "here have another dozen miniatures", rather than focusing on quality.

Not saying it had to be boutique or the quality of his resins.


But so much was focused on quantity when more should have been focused on quality of miniatures and components. The box set alone contains more miniatures than I probably will paint.

From a company like Studio McVey, I honestly thought they would focus on quality first, however, it seemed as though they (CMON/SM) gave what the people wanted a ton of miniatures, basically emulating the previous Zombicide kickstarter.

I hate to say it but Zombicide was a quality product. I am sad I missed out on the Zombicide kickstarter. IF I had to choose between one or the other, I would have got into the Zombicide Kickstarter. (Not to mention, that stuff had some resale value. SEDITION WARS? NONE)

It had less issues for sure. The biggest issue with zombicide was a rather simple fix. The scenarios in the book suck donkey. The game in general is way too easy, the simplistic scenarios in the book don't help at all. Just once I would like to lose a game in zombicide.

One of the biggest reasons I think Sedition Wars does not have a great resale market is that it flooded compared to zombicide. More people bought sedition wars and tried to resell at a ridiculous profit or were not satisfied with the product after opening it.

While SedWars had issues with rules and physical quality. I will give Mike and CMON some slack, this was their first joint project together. Can't imagine it being easy for either side on top of some of the Chinese manufacturing issues.

Just hope I see improvements to quality. I bought SedWars because I thought the universe was awesome, not because I wanted a cheap proxy for Guardsmen and Tyranids.

FYI if you want to make zombicide challenging double spawn cards.

 IdentifyZero wrote:


Before you reply with some snarky little comment about entitlement, please don't tell me you Kickstarted for altruistic reasons out of the goodness of your heart as an act of charity to help a company make millions; you didn't, none of us did, we all pledged to get the rewards.
)

You pledged so speak for yourself.

I don't pledge because I don't trust in two things.

1. I never buy preorders of anything based on wips I only buy minis already on sale and finished so I can check them out for quality.
2. I know that in this industry timings and schedules are constantly broken... I would be a fool to believe that in such early phases of development they can plan any of this accurately. Several months waiting? Yeah right, good luck with that.

So yes you should know what you were getting yourself into before pledging... preorders and KS's have a great deal of risk involved so if you cant resist your "rewards" you should take the good with the bad when they turn up on your doorstep.

Looking at your levels of frustration in this thread you would have done better not doing KS and taking risks... rather than bemoaning about simultaneous projects from Mcvey...

I don't really expect to get a rule book for free at a loss for CMON. If anything at the cost of the rule book.

I understand the reasoning for wanting the book for free.

I guess this was part of the risk as KS backers. We were guaranteed what it came with.

Then again I am very use to this idea thanks to Spartan Games.

Uncharted Seas rule book, update in a few months.

Firestorm Armada update in a few months

Dystopian Wars update in a few months.

You pay to beta test with spartan games.

 Piston Honda wrote:
I don't really expect to get a rule book for free at a loss for CMON. If anything at the cost of the rule book.

I understand the reasoning for wanting the book for free.

I guess this was part of the risk as KS backers. We were guaranteed what it came with.

So, out of curiosity, if you had gotten miscast or broken figures would you have been willing to pay for a replacement?

Are broken rules that much different?

Man those new sculpts look amazing! Nice to see some heavier armoured troops, saves me having to make some myself

 CptJake wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
I don't really expect to get a rule book for free at a loss for CMON. If anything at the cost of the rule book.

I understand the reasoning for wanting the book for free.

I guess this was part of the risk as KS backers. We were guaranteed what it came with.

So, out of curiosity, if you had gotten miscast or broken figures would you have been willing to pay for a replacement?

Are broken rules that much different?

If you buy a game in store and the models are fine but the rules just don't work or suck are the people you purchased it from going to take it back?

I'm going to be OK with a rule set that isn't broken and is fun to play and is a PDF that I'll print out myself.

Though I can certainly see why a lot of people were upset over the various quality (both miniatures and rules) issues that this project has...

Bolognesus wrote:What I don't get is how people keep assuming it's impossible to have more than one project in the pipeline at any given time. There's more than one sculptor in the world - just getting this stuff sculpted while the KS wave two stuff is getting tooled makes complete sense. And yes, I know some of the sculpting overlapped but really, I think a lot of folks have to adjust expectations when getting involved much earlier in the process than a customer usually would the way that happens via KS...

I don't have an issue with it, I in fact would have hoped Mike had already started planning on some sort of expansion release, be it a box game or some blister packs of new troop types. Majority of the work for the KS was already done, it was just a handful of LE sculpts that needed to be done. I don't see how starting on a new release would compromise the first box set as it was just concept art and sending out orders to sculptors for the most part.

If they had started another kickstarter before the ironed out the rules and delivered the product, then yes, I would be very upset.

CptJake wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
I don't really expect to get a rule book for free at a loss for CMON. If anything at the cost of the rule book.

I understand the reasoning for wanting the book for free.

I guess this was part of the risk as KS backers. We were guaranteed what it came with.

So, out of curiosity, if you had gotten miscast or broken figures would you have been willing to pay for a replacement?

Are broken rules that much different?

True.

Will have to find the link, but Studio McVey already announced on their forums an updated rule book will be available for download as pdf.

As for quality, I think they learned their lesson from this KS and are going back to a quality first. Still I was not disappointed with this KS. Even with the warping, the figs were still better than a bunch of other board games I played with droppy weapons and faceless blobs.