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Ooooh very intriguing, looks like Mr. McVey hasn't been slouching with his sculpting!

Any better pics showed up?

I'm really liking the expansion's big pieces- the only heavy I really liked in the first game was the Grendlr (though I really liked that one) and these are all looking pretty cool.

Hah. EVERYTHING has tentacley gribbly bits...

...and I LOVE it.

So here's a cool little tidbit:

If you notice the smaller green model on the left and the larger model behind it: they're actually one and the same, only the larger version is wearing a form of bio armor.

Yep, there's something about the larger one being some sort of evolved form, and they're both hexen (who seems to have herself evolved past a BSG reference)

I don't remember the snake bottomed thingees in the last batch of pictures.

I doubt I'm the only one that's curious as to how this expansion/ stand alone game is going to play out. Will they kickstart it? Will CMON send it straight to retail?

This will be quite interesting to see how it plays out.

Yeah, the snakish things are new

I've heard they aren't planning to do it as a kickstarter.

It will not be a KS project. Nor will the two subsequent army expansions for the Firebrand and the next faction.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yeah, the snakish things are new
I've heard they aren't planning to do it as a kickstarter.

 cincydooley wrote:
It will not be a KS project. Nor will the two subsequent army expansions for the Firebrand and the next faction.

That's what they said initially. More recently, they've apparently gone over to something more along the lines of "we'll be examining all our options". (Which means it probably will - free money upfront FTW)

Thanks for posting the picture. Really like the big gribblies.

 Azazelx wrote:


That's what they said initially. More recently, they've apparently gone over to something more along the lines of "we'll be examining all our options". (Which means it probably will - free money upfront FTW)

I agree they are thinking the KS route may be the way to go. I do think the results of the first one (specifically folks not happy for a variety of reasons) may make efforts at a second (and third) more challenging.

That's what they said initially. More recently, they've apparently gone over to something more along the lines of "we'll be examining all our options". (Which means it probably will - free money upfront FTW)

You better substantiate such claims. Some might take your wishful thinkin for hard facts...

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

That's what they said initially. More recently, they've apparently gone over to something more along the lines of "we'll be examining all our options". (Which means it probably will - free money upfront FTW)

You better substantiate such claims. Some might take your wishful thinkin for hard facts...

On the Studio McVey forums this was mentioned:

Mike McVey indicated that he wanted to release "satellite" expansions usable with Arms of Sorrow and Battle for Alabaster. He indicated that the satellite games required a lot of resources to publish and they "might well kickstart it" (it being Arms of Sorrow and the satellites) as an alternative. That said, his final word was "not sure."

And then there is this:

Sedition Wars gets its first expansion “Sedition Wars: Arms of Sorrow” that functions as both a stand-alone game and expansion to “Battle for Alabaster.” The game releases later this year with a $90.00 MSRP.

“Arms of Sorrow” is a potential kickstarter project, but that decision has not been made yet. It could release alone, but a kickstarter might allow for additional expansions as stretch goals.

from http://www.livingdice.com/7995/gama-trade-show-2013-report-7/

Looks substantiated - thanks!

Basing my info on speaking to Mr. McVey & some CMoN folks this past weekend.

Further substantiation - thanks!

Now that´s some confirmation.

Indeed it is, it makes me wonder why you accused him and did not simply look for yourself before writing something that harsh.

It's all good. There are a lot of cool things in the works for this Property and McVey really wants to make sure the future path for the universe 'rights its course,' as it were, after some of the first KS hiccups.

 cincydooley wrote:
It's all good. There are a lot of cool things in the works for this Property and McVey really wants to make sure the future path for the universe 'rights its course,' as it were, after some of the first KS hiccups.

A good place to start would be to finish the first KS fulfillment without more hiccups...

 CptJake wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
It's all good. There are a lot of cool things in the works for this Property and McVey really wants to make sure the future path for the universe 'rights its course,' as it were, after some of the first KS hiccups.

A good place to start would be to finish the first KS fulfillment without more hiccups...

Well said!

Yeah, I'd like the rest of my stuff please....I do think some of the new models are cool looking but I'd like my other models this year....

It was intimated that it was the top priority right now, which is actually one of the reasons there still has yet to be another KS started by CMoN (Kaos Ball is prototyped and ready for KS and is in a holding pattern).

I know there's a lot of people feeling somewhat burned by Sedition Wars so far, but it was pretty clear from being around Mr. McVey for the entire weekend that he really, really, really wants to get it rectified. With that in mind, I was able to glean that any new tiles that are released for subsequent games will be done by the company that did Zombicide (there have been few, if any, warpage issues reported) and that Studio McVey may even have open betas for KS backers for any future Sedition Wars products.

@Identify, PM me for more.


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@Hulk - Remember that those are all resin masters. All of the plastics we should be getting are in the production and shipping phase right now. It makes more sense to keep the sculptors working than to sit on their hands doing nothing waiting for product that is, obstenisibly, out of their control (the sculptors, that is) at this point in time.

Oh I understand masters vs. everything else. I'd like to see some of the images of the items we're getting that we haven't seen yet and I would like an update on the approximate time line. It's not that they shouldn't be working on newer product, healthy companies do that. It's just that this project has slipped crazy bad and the communication is less than helpful.

I also backed Dreamforge but for some reason, even though they slipped heavily as well, I don't have the same annoyed feeling I'm starting to get with this.

 Hulksmash wrote:

I also backed Dreamforge but for some reason, even though they slipped heavily as well, I don't have the same annoyed feeling I'm starting to get with this.

Probably because Dreamforge was just a guy in a garage? Studio McVey is an established company with a good reputation and joined forces with CMoN who had just successfully released their own board game. The smaller the company, the more likely you are to forgive them for delays and problems? Though this project was bigger than anything Studio McVey has handled before.

I don't feel that burned. I realized I was buying into a new product sight unseen. Its clear the rush to get the initial game out the door hurt quality, but when costs and schedule are fixed, quality suffers.

Hot off the Studio McVey forum from Mike McVey

Quick update.

The PDFs of the book and cards were completed early last week and sent off to be hosted for download, and sent out to the backers. I have been in the US for a work trip since then so haven't been online much.

I'm chasing up when this is going to happen at the moment, and as soon as they are available I will post here.

Sorry for the delay.

mike

so we should hopefully have access to these very, very soon


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(and good grief I seem to have scooped DaveC here, I hope he's OK, LOL)

Mmm I posted it in the KS thread it's all good though it's up to CMoN now.

More news

Just to clarify here, as there seems to be some misunderstanding on the upcoming expansions... I really can't remember saying AoS would not be Kickstarted last weekend... I was pretty jet lagged though.

AoS and the two expansions will launch at the same time, and it is still not decided for sure if they will be Kickstarters or not. When I originally said that we would not KS the expansion, the plan was different (and involved substantially less work) - but considering the amount of work and resources that the three products are taking up - that is being re-considered. Ultimately the decision is not mine, but the publishers (Cool Mini or Not), and I'll make an official announcement once that decision is taken.

We'll be showing more of the miniatures and art from the expansions in the coming weeks and months, and I have to say that I am very, very happy with how it is all going. I think there has been a substantial step up in quality on all parts of the product.

mike

Yes I say, I dashed to the KS thread but saw you'd gone there first

honours even this time I think

also interested to see you post that the Zombicide manufacturer is now going to be handling SW production, do you know if this mean a change to the Zombicide plastic, or will they be sticking to the 'restic' we go for the first lot ? (or it it just for the tile production not the minis?)

Same restic miniatures but all the printed material will be done like the the Zombicide stuff so better print and card quality this will include the second print run of BfA