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its Marine fluff, ofcourse theyre gonna win an uphill battle that any other army would lose. I still think they sound pretty badass! better than the space dwarves most people are so eager to see make a return (not that I don't like em, just think they could do better than bringing squats back if they were to make a new army.) Also, going by the fluff, at the time Fulgrim and his chapter could've wiped out anyone they wanted.


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Another Laer quote of Awesomeness!!

"In every theatre of war the battle was joined. The Emperor's Children attacked the Laer amongst the stars, in their cities, beneath their oceans and over the hulls of their orbital platforms. Everywhere they faced enemies adapted to their conditions - warships connected bio-electronically to their crews minds, liquid-breathing sea warriors, scouts capable of moving as fast as a Land Speeder, gunners whose eyesight allowed them to target individual Space Marines in squads miles distant. The casualties on both sides were horrendous"

Point someone out that thinks they wouldn't make an awesome army and ill point someone out that's a fool!

See those Ogre Kingdoms models?

Give them a 40k equalivent that isn't an Ogryn.

Ogres used to be in nearly every army before they branched out.

I'd love to see an Ogre sized 40k army.

I would like to see the sisters get a proper update. I feel like they're an army with great potential that gw is unwisely ignoring.

Aside from that,..I think it would be interesting to have an entirely alien xeno race that isn't a stereotype of some kind...ie space elves, gundams, robots...I'd like to see sort of a fledgling race of Xenos that look entirely alien fight in an alien way, but don't have some absurd stereotypical archetype behind them.

GW needs to take a year or two consolidating it's existing codecies and updating the older ones.

My fondest hope for some Xenos goodness, would be a Forgeworld minor xenos book, with a bunch of mini-alien dexs in it, with tons of modeling possibilities, maybe even a Xenos-design-Rules ( XDR) ...but from GW they already have some auto money sinks to update.

And making any Alien concept for a game based on short range mini warfare without impinging on some form of sterotype or trope is a tall order, someone somewhere will always draw some parallels to something done already.

Hrud are discussed in the 6th brb and the new tau and eldar dex. Just saying.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
it may just be because I play the guardians of the covenant, but I would like to see who the lilith where and how they enslaved a lot of people. could be fun I think.

Maybe they use "civilians" they mind-hacked and use them as meat shields, and imperium armies have to take a "will test" to shoot at them. Also, maybe more mind warping powers like telepathy.

You don't understand the Imperium well if you think the IG would be at all hesitant to shoot other humans. By and large, the armies of the Imperium fight other armies of the Imperium, whether that's cults, heretics, traitors, Wars of Faith, queue wars, trade disputes, tithe disputes, or just because some Rogue Trader sold guns to Planet A and told them Planet B was talking smack about their mothers, while selling Planet B some guns, warning them Planet A was on its way to kick their ass.

I do get the fluff part for the imperium, but not every man will have the heart to shoot at a family being mind controlled by an alien. That's why they need a leadership test. Maybe the more you roll above the leadership, the less people can shoot. Like if you roll an 11 on leadership 8. Three people lost their shots and can't bring themselves to do it. Marines and veterans wouldn't be that affected because of thier higher leadership, but some people may just lose heart for it.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
it may just be because I play the guardians of the covenant, but I would like to see who the lilith where and how they enslaved a lot of people. could be fun I think.

Maybe they use "civilians" they mind-hacked and use them as meat shields, and imperium armies have to take a "will test" to shoot at them. Also, maybe more mind warping powers like telepathy.

You don't understand the Imperium well if you think the IG would be at all hesitant to shoot other humans. By and large, the armies of the Imperium fight other armies of the Imperium, whether that's cults, heretics, traitors, Wars of Faith, queue wars, trade disputes, tithe disputes, or just because some Rogue Trader sold guns to Planet A and told them Planet B was talking smack about their mothers, while selling Planet B some guns, warning them Planet A was on its way to kick their ass.

I do get the fluff part for the imperium, but not every man will have the heart to shoot at a family being mind controlled by an alien. That's why they need a leadership test. Maybe the more you roll above the leadership, the less people can shoot. Like if you roll an 11 on leadership 8. Three people lost their shots and can't bring themselves to do it. Marines and veterans wouldn't be that affected because of thier higher leadership, but some people may just lose heart for it.

Given the size of the Imperial armed forces, it's quite unlikely that any soldier would actually be confronted with a loved one face to face. Also, they'd likely be too far away to recognise anybody. And they don't have any problems shooting at rioters, do they?

And, most importantly, they have merciless men behind them who will shoot them if they don't want to shoot at the enemy.

eh, good point. it was just a suggestion

Personally for me I would like to see this in regards to future Codexs:

-Sisters of Battle get a new and actual book.
-Black Templars keep/continue to have a their own book.
-The Hrud for multiple reasons, it does seem that GW is hyping them a bit more.
-Imperial Guard either get Codexs that fit with specific regiments (such as Steel Legion, Elysian/Harakoni Warhawks) or their new book takes care of this problem.

Rogue Traders and entourage. Huzzah!
Or an Inquisitorial codex with all brances in one giant book. Huzzah again!

 Tiger9gamer wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
it may just be because I play the guardians of the covenant, but I would like to see who the lilith where and how they enslaved a lot of people. could be fun I think.

Maybe they use "civilians" they mind-hacked and use them as meat shields, and imperium armies have to take a "will test" to shoot at them. Also, maybe more mind warping powers like telepathy.

You don't understand the Imperium well if you think the IG would be at all hesitant to shoot other humans. By and large, the armies of the Imperium fight other armies of the Imperium, whether that's cults, heretics, traitors, Wars of Faith, queue wars, trade disputes, tithe disputes, or just because some Rogue Trader sold guns to Planet A and told them Planet B was talking smack about their mothers, while selling Planet B some guns, warning them Planet A was on its way to kick their ass.

I do get the fluff part for the imperium, but not every man will have the heart to shoot at a family being mind controlled by an alien. That's why they need a leadership test. Maybe the more you roll above the leadership, the less people can shoot. Like if you roll an 11 on leadership 8. Three people lost their shots and can't bring themselves to do it. Marines and veterans wouldn't be that affected because of thier higher leadership, but some people may just lose heart for it.

That's what Commissars are for.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
it may just be because I play the guardians of the covenant, but I would like to see who the lilith where and how they enslaved a lot of people. could be fun I think.

Maybe they use "civilians" they mind-hacked and use them as meat shields, and imperium armies have to take a "will test" to shoot at them. Also, maybe more mind warping powers like telepathy.

You don't understand the Imperium well if you think the IG would be at all hesitant to shoot other humans. By and large, the armies of the Imperium fight other armies of the Imperium, whether that's cults, heretics, traitors, Wars of Faith, queue wars, trade disputes, tithe disputes, or just because some Rogue Trader sold guns to Planet A and told them Planet B was talking smack about their mothers, while selling Planet B some guns, warning them Planet A was on its way to kick their ass.

I do get the fluff part for the imperium, but not every man will have the heart to shoot at a family being mind controlled by an alien. That's why they need a leadership test. Maybe the more you roll above the leadership, the less people can shoot. Like if you roll an 11 on leadership 8. Three people lost their shots and can't bring themselves to do it. Marines and veterans wouldn't be that affected because of thier higher leadership, but some people may just lose heart for it.

Then you send a Regiment from a sub-sector away. They don't even know those people.

The Sslyth all the way.

There are others I'd like to see more, but Adeptus Arbites could be a fun army. about a middle ground between guard and astartes. heavier armor, more melee capable, less troops than standard guard, but still not up to marines level