The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail

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**d-usa**

Good lesson for anytime you disagree with a cop:

The moment the cop is doing something that you think is wrong is not the time to fight it. Let the cop screw up and then drag him through the courts later. Whatever he might be doing wrong will simply result in a charge of resisting/causing a disturbance/whatever that will cause you a headache for a long time after it is over.

**Soladrin**

Or run. Runnings good.

**whembly**

sebster wrote:
whembly wrote:
pro-NRA is considered escalation?

No, wearing a political shirt is just a particularly boring bit of gak stirring by a student.

The escalation came after that, when the student refused to take off the shirt, and wanted to argue over it with everyone, up to and including a police officer. Now, everyone else involved escalated the situation, because they ended up just arguing with the kid, rather than sorting this issue out by being, you know, smarter than a highschool kid.

But the kid still deserves his share of the blame for wanting to cause a fuss in the first place, and then trying to make that fuss as big and annoying for everyone as possible. I mean, I get the idea about standing up for your rights and blah blah blah, but there's also a hell of a lot to be said for leaving that stuff for issues that actually matter.

The school should've SENT HIS ASS HOME or make his parent pick him up.

Not call the po-po.

**d-usa**

whembly wrote:
sebster wrote:
whembly wrote:
pro-NRA is considered escalation?

No, wearing a political shirt is just a particularly boring bit of gak stirring by a student.

The escalation came after that, when the student refused to take off the shirt, and wanted to argue over it with everyone, up to and including a police officer. Now, everyone else involved escalated the situation, because they ended up just arguing with the kid, rather than sorting this issue out by being, you know, smarter than a highschool kid.

But the kid still deserves his share of the blame for wanting to cause a fuss in the first place, and then trying to make that fuss as big and annoying for everyone as possible. I mean, I get the idea about standing up for your rights and blah blah blah, but there's also a hell of a lot to be said for leaving that stuff for issues that actually matter.

The school should've SENT HIS ASS HOME or make his parent pick him up.

Not call the po-po.

And when the po-po showed up the student should not have argued with them.

**whembly**

d-usa wrote:

And when the po-po showed up the student should not have argued with them.

So who really escalated this?

Remember... who's the adult here?

**d-usa**

whembly wrote:
d-usa wrote:

And when the po-po showed up the student should not have argued with them.

So who really escalated this?

Remember... who's the adult here?

If you want to blame an adult then blame the parents for not showing their kid the "don't talk to cops" video on YouTube.

**whembly**

d-usa wrote:
whembly wrote:
d-usa wrote:

And when the po-po showed up the student should not have argued with them.

So who really escalated this?

Remember... who's the adult here?

If you want to blame an adult then blame the parents for not showing their kid the "don't talk to cops" video on YouTube.

Look... we're never going to see eye-to-eye on these sorts of things.

The SCHOOL has an obligation to discipline this kid.

To me, calling the po-po is the absolute wrong thing to do. Call his fething parents and have them pick him up.

Even then, the po-po should've realized that this is a 14 yo kid acting out. The po-po should've told the school. "he's not breaking any laws... it's not my job to enforce your school's rules, deal with him yourself".

EDIT: one thing I'm not real clear on is... when did this confrontation with the po-po occur? After the suspension when the kid came back with the same t-shirt?

**d-usa**

And if the school was idiots for calling the cops them you make the argument after the cops have come and gone.

Again, the time to argue about what the cop is doing or why he is even here is not while you are talking with the cop.

Disobeying the cop will get you in trouble irregardless of what stupid reason brought them there.

**whembly**

d-usa wrote:
And if the school was idiots for calling the cops them you make the argument after the cops have come and gone.

Again, the time to argue about what the cop is doing or why he is even here is not while you are talking with the cop.

Disobeying the cop will get you in trouble irregardless of what stupid reason brought them there.

Right... agree with you there.

Still trying to find out when that alcertation started...

In the original OP, the po-po initially tried to charge this kid making terrorist threats... wtf?

**sebster**

whembly wrote:
The school should've SENT HIS ASS HOME or make his parent pick him up.

Not call the po-po.

The school should have done many things differently. Honestly, letting it escalate to the point where the parents were called and the kid got sent home for the day should probably have been seen as a regretable escalation. Convincing the kid to simply wear another shirt for the day would have been ideal.

So, as I already said, the school should wear a lot of the blame for what happened, especially because they're the adults. But in situations as dumb as this it's possible that everyone involved can be criticised, and ultimately that kid set about fighting a pointless battle for no good reason at all, and then set about escalating on each possible opportunity.

**Hargus56**

Land of the Free my ass! BTW happy Independence Day. Where I live I'm not allowed to set off fireworks and I have to get permission for my government to install a dishwasher in my home.