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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/19 05:56:37
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I still think the whole issue is stupid. What's next banning baseball bats on shirts, knives, forks, granola, sharp edges of counters, spartan nipple rings , frazzleds' quick but erotic feel ups.... everything is potentially dangerous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/28 20:26:30
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Update on this...
Charges are dropped:
The West Virginia eighth-grader arrested after refusing a teacher's demand he remove a National Rifle Association T-shirt he wore to school won't face criminal charges after all.
Jared Marcum, 14, was charged with obstruction following the April 18 incident after police who were called to Logan Middle School school said he refused to stop talking. The case generated national headlines, as Marcum's family and attorney, Ben White, claimed the demand that he remove the NRA shirt violated his right to freedom of speech. On Thursday, Logan County Circuit Judge Eric O'Briant signed an order dismissing the charge.
"It should have come sooner but it's done and we don't have to have that concern anymore about him having a criminal record."
Marcum's mother, Tanya Lardieri, told WOWK that she was overcome with emotion after signing a dismissal order relating to the charge. The boy’s father, Allen Lardieri, said the couple is just glad Eric’s legal troubles are behind him.
"It should have come sooner but it's done and we don't have to have that concern anymore about him having a criminal record,” Allen Lardieri told WOWK. "I'm just glad that it's over. His mother is glad it's over."
After he was charged, Marcum faced up to a year in jail and a $500 fine. Although the charge related to the boy's behavior after the incident began, White said the school's unreasonable demand that he take off the shirt caused the situation to get out of control.
"We at this point believe that Jared acted as mature as a 14-year-old child can act with the pressure that was put on him," White told The Associated Press.
The school's dress code gives wide enforcement discretion to educators.
“If in the judgment of the administration, a student is dressed inappropriately, the student will be required to change clothes or cover up inappropriate clothing before returning to classes,” the code reads.
After Marcum was arrested, students throughout Logan County wore similar NRA shirts in a show of solidarity. And on Monday, the boy was summoned back to court as prosecutors sought to have a gag order imposed on him and his family. They claimed Jared and his father talking to the press about the case was not in the boy's interest, a rationale his own attorney rejected.
"We were here because the prosecution filed a motion for a gag order," White said on Monday. "My opinion is because, seemingly, they want to take it out of the court of public opinion."
But on Thursday, after reviewing statements from the arresting officer and the school's principal, White said he and a prosecutor agreed that creating a criminal record for Marcum wasn't a good idea.
"I didn't think it would go this far because, honestly, I don't see a problem with [the shirt],” Jared Marcum told WOWK in April. “There shouldn't be a problem with this."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/28 20:29:05
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Good to hear, were there any details given for the dismissal? Like public interest, insufficient evidence, etc.?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/28 20:30:42
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Dreadclaw69 wrote:Good to hear, were there any details given for the dismissal? Like public interest, insufficient evidence, etc.?
Not sure... there's a video report that I can hear currently:
http://www.wowktv.com/story/22709537/criminal-charge-against-8th-grade-student-arrested-after-nra-t-shirt-confrontation-dropped
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/28 20:34:44
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Think the judge and prosecution couldn't see giving a 14 years old kid a criminal record over a NRA shirt.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/28 20:40:50
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I wonder if there are any local elections coming up....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/28 20:49:40
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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daedalus wrote:It almost seems to me like the goal here is not teaching, but instead displaying dominance and enforcing the expectation in the youth that they should cow to authority figures. I mean, there is, like, literally NO shirt I can think of that should interfere with teaching math, science, English, history, or any other topic you could possibly think of.
I think this is a case of "He that makes too much noise gets the big stick."
Welcome to all schools forever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/28 20:56:34
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Dreadclaw69 wrote:Good to hear, were there any details given for the dismissal? Like public interest, insufficient evidence, etc.?
I guess giving a 14 year old a criminal record for being a meanie to a grown man just wasn't the kind of publicity they wanted.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/28 21:04:22
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:I guess giving a 14 year old a criminal record for being a meanie to a grown man just wasn't the kind of publicity they wanted.
Just the thing your political opponents love for ammo
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/28 21:27:03
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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Well that is anti-climatic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/28 21:51:38
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Maybe not for the boy and his family
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/28 21:58:46
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Incubus
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Schools do have the right to limit FoS in the classrooms, but they definately overreacted to this. Good to see it is over.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 01:53:16
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Jihadin wrote:Think the judge and prosecution couldn't see giving a 14 years old kid a criminal record over a NRA shirt.
Or... He successfully ate 50 eggs and thus, succeeded in communication.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 02:16:32
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Bullockist wrote:I still think the whole issue is stupid. What's next banning baseball bats on shirts, knives, forks, granola, sharp edges of counters, spartan nipple rings , frazzleds' quick but erotic feel ups.... everything is potentially dangerous. 
Kids need to be aware of the shape their Pop Tart makes when they eat it, remember. That can get them suspended, also.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 02:20:23
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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We're going to start moving all the malcontents to Death Valley for the Wraiths to beam up......
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 05:17:15
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Highschool kids with strong political opinions are the worst. But the school officials and that policeman were supposed to be the adults here, and the way they allowed the situation to escalate is kind of ridiculous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 05:30:00
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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daedalus wrote:I mean, there is, like, literally NO shirt I can think of that should interfere with teaching math, science, English, history, or any other topic you could possibly think of.
But there are shirts that might interfere with the psychology of a person teaching any of the above.
Should that happen? No, but it does.
sebster wrote:Highschool kids with strong political opinions are the worst.
Especially when they want to debate you on the basis of the ill-considered opinions of their parents.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 05:51:16
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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dogma wrote: daedalus wrote:I mean, there is, like, literally NO shirt I can think of that should interfere with teaching math, science, English, history, or any other topic you could possibly think of.
But there are shirts that might interfere with the psychology of a person teaching any of the above.
Should that happen? No, but it does.
Someone who would be that bothered by a t-shirt probably shouldn't be teaching professionally. What a student has on their t-shirt is likely going to be the least of your worries.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 06:51:39
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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dogma wrote:Especially when they want to debate you on the basis of the ill-considered opinions of their parents.
Oh yeah. I mean that shirt basically boils down to a kid who really wants to have someone debate him over his pet political issue, on which I'm sure he's got all kinds of canned lines learned from his parents ready to roll out. Automatically Appended Next Post: Hordini wrote:Someone who would be that bothered by a t-shirt probably shouldn't be teaching professionally. What a student has on their t-shirt is likely going to be the least of your worries.
Meh, schools are bureaucracies and bureaucracies have rules. And often the rules of a bureaucracy are based around 'doing something' over some issue of the day. Banning shirts with pictures of guns on them is barely scratching the surface of stupid rules.
Ultimately, the point is that teachers need to be a step ahead of kids, and able to resolve situations like this without letting it escalate like this.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 08:20:36
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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I think part of the problem is kids now a days want to escalate things. proper parenting is lacking now. I almost started a thread on children's poor manners to see what everyone else thought.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 19:56:42
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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yellowfever wrote:I think part of the problem is kids now a days want to escalate things. proper parenting is lacking now. I almost started a thread on children's poor manners to see what everyone else thought.
pro-NRA is considered escalation?
Dude... really?
I mean, I can see t-shirts like these could be disruptive:
But support to the NRA? Let's flip it... how about a t-shirt supporting the Brady Campaign?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 20:28:45
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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I think that the kid turned it into a shouting match and freedom of speech thing is escalating the conflict. He should have, IMO, just followed directions and the rules. rather then waste peoples time. If he did this at a job he would be fired
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 20:35:43
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Well....bad thing is....we don't have him jail for 90+ days like the kid that made the threat on another thread......we lost 90+ days of free labor on this kid....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 20:40:37
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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hotsauceman1 wrote:I think that the kid turned it into a shouting match and freedom of speech thing is escalating the conflict. He should have, IMO, just followed directions and the rules. rather then waste peoples time. If he did this at a job he would be fired
Yup. Fired. Not arrested. Because it might be in violation of the rules, but wearing a shirt is not in violation of the law.
Truly though, we should all keep our heads down, follow the rules, and pick up that can when told. Things would be better that way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 21:53:35
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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No, what im saying that if it is over something as stupid as a shirt, the kid should have just followed directions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 22:51:23
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/01 22:59:17
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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hotsauceman1 wrote:No, what im saying that if it is over something as stupid as a shirt, the kid should have just followed directions.
But if it's over something as stupid as a shirt, surely the police need not get involved? What happened to detentions, getting sent to the principal's office, getting sent home, etc?
Unless it wasn't really over something as stupid as a shirt, and it was really about picking up that can.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/02 07:08:10
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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BRB...getting a bowl and Cap'n Crunch.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/02 15:50:57
Subject: Re:The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Just be grateful you didn't say that in the kid's school. They may have thought you were endorsing piracy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 08:44:30
Subject: The 14-year-old kid arrested over his pro-NRA shirt now faces a year in jail
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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No, wearing a political shirt is just a particularly boring bit of gak stirring by a student.
The escalation came after that, when the student refused to take off the shirt, and wanted to argue over it with everyone, up to and including a police officer. Now, everyone else involved escalated the situation, because they ended up just arguing with the kid, rather than sorting this issue out by being, you know, smarter than a highschool kid.
But the kid still deserves his share of the blame for wanting to cause a fuss in the first place, and then trying to make that fuss as big and annoying for everyone as possible. I mean, I get the idea about standing up for your rights and blah blah blah, but there's also a hell of a lot to be said for leaving that stuff for issues that actually matter.
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