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1d4chan is basically the worst place ever to get lore on anything 40k related.

 Lynata wrote:
In GW fluff, nothing has changed. They have always been allies - nothing more, nothing less. Neither are they an integral part of the Inquisition (such as the Grey Knights and the Deathwatch, for example), nor are they as "disconnected" as some random IG Regiment. For the Sisters, helping the Inquisition is like a part-time job. Normally, they focus on Ecclesiarchal activities, but they (in particular the Orders Minoris, who are locally limited in scope and operational capabilities, but seeded throughout Imperial space) are the go-to force whenever an Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus needs some serious backup.

Indeed - my point was more that as she can no longer form part of an Inquisitorial Retinue, it raises questions over whether or not she should be wearing a symbol of the Inquisition at all.

 Melissia wrote:
1d4chan is basically the worst place ever to get lore on anything 40k related.

I just like that picture a lot.

Kain wrote:So this picture is still valid after all?

It'd fit more to an Inquisitorial retinue (for which this miniature was designed, back in 3E) rather than a Sororitas Command Squad.
But the miniature itself is not "wrong". It would just be better (=make more sense) if it would be fielded together with an Inquisitor.

That being said, it could probably be justified with some mumbo-jumbo about how this character's Order keeps a close relation to the Ordo Hereticus - something about the focus of its activities.

[edit] see Mythal's post
I certainly agree it would be better if that symbol would be swapped, though it's not a major mistake. Just an "oddity".

To be honest, I get the feeling they've been squatted.

 marv335 wrote:
To be honest, I get the feeling they've been squatted.

After the epic amounts of loss of face following the whole squats debacle I doubt GW wants to repeat that fiasco ever again.

I can't see the picture, for some reason.

But let me guess, is it that one where the Inquisitor orders lots of Sisters to go fight Slaaneshi forces, and they just end up being molested? :-/

Ah. Got to it by pasting the link into the bar. Can see it now.

 Troike wrote:
I can't see the picture, for some reason.

But let me guess, is it that one where the Inquisitor orders lots of Sisters to go fight Slaaneshi forces, and they just end up being molested? :-/

No. It's the one where a GK, a DW and SoB member do that pose from the powderpuff girls.

Oh, I thought that was about the Dialogous miniature.

I rather like /tg/ and 1d4chan, but unfortunately one should not go there for information, just for laughs. And even then a lot of the jokes are horribly sexist.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Troike wrote:
I can't see the picture, for some reason.

But let me guess, is it that one where the Inquisitor orders lots of Sisters to go fight Slaaneshi forces, and they just end up being molested? :-/

No. It's the one where a GK, a DW and SoB member do that pose from the powderpuff girls.

SoB=Bubbles, GK=Blossom, DW=Buttercup.

 Lynata wrote:


[...]

At the same time I have to agree with Melissia that the Raging Heroes models are obvious fanservice, which (worryingly) may be part of why they are that popular.

Context is key.

[...]

I honestly don't think it's a "may" fan-service sells.

I noticed some models were labeled," product unavailable" like the seraphim with bolt pistol and power sword and Kiryanov off the UK site a few days ago. Today they are just gone off the site, USA included. Not a good sign.

Once the stock of metal minis is gone, GW will be forced to decide what to do with them.

Which then may lead to the only completely finecast army.

 n0t_u wrote:
Which then may lead to the only completely finecast army.

Why do you do this to me?


... I think I'm gonna be sick.

 Purifier wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Which then may lead to the only completely finecast army.

Why do you do this to me?


... I think I'm gonna be sick.

LOOK! LOOK AND DESPAIR!

 Kain wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Which then may lead to the only completely finecast army.

Why do you do this to me?


... I think I'm gonna be sick.

LOOK! LOOK AND DESPAIR!

:( Yeah, I bought a filthcast before I wisened up too.

Nothing says 'Let's go kill some heretical xenos!' like a tattered tanktop and a gun belt for panties.

 Purifier wrote:

:( Yeah, I bought a filthcast before I wisened up too.

Eh, they seem to have fixed many of the issues. I have not seen any faulty finecast figures for quite some time.

I'd prefer finecast Sisters over metal ones, at least then they'd be easier to convert. Though I'm not getting a full army unless they go plastic.

Matter of preferences, I guess. Convertability is undoubtedly a huge advantage - but on the other hand, I doubt they'd really become much cheaper, and most of all I would miss the amazing weight. Holding a metal SoB between your fingers actually makes you feel something, compared to those flimsy 1-milligram-minis that get blown over as soon as someone sneezes.

(and whose parts supposedly bend real, real easy)

Purifier wrote:

I really disagree with the fan-service-y comments I hear a lot. I think the sniper would be the closest to it (as depicted below) but I don't think a girl that happens to have a feminine stance and a good 'bod is fanservicey. "Oh but she only has a tattered shirt on!" is also silly. We don't call the catachan embodiments of manlyness fanservicey.

I think she looks dangerous in a feminine way. I absolutely love it. I hate it when they feel the need to make the women look pseudo-male to make them look badass.

Actually, there are only two reasons the Catachans aren't labelled as fanservicey. One: Most of the people doing the labelling are men. Two: The Catachan models are bad, while that Raging Heroes sniper is actually attractive and fanservicy. Then again, maybe we should blame the culture that's made a virtue of looking ragged and worn out?

Kain wrote:Well if the Sisters are no longer connected to the inquisition, who's the chamber militant of the Ordo hereticus now?

In reference to the entire conversation this single comment sparked off, I'd just like to say that I REALLY wish the Ecclesiarchy symbol and the Inquisition symbol were a little better differentiated.

The Inquisition symbol is a capital letter i with a skull in the middle and three bars through it. The Ecclesiarchy symbol is... a capitol letter i with a sunburst in the middle with three rays coming off each side of it. ><

I bet ten to one that the whole reason the Ordo Hereticus thing was dreamed up in the studio was because the Chaplet Ecclesiasticus looks kind of like an Inquisition icon when rendered in 28mm scale.

 Lynata wrote:
I would miss the amazing weight. Holding a metal SoB between your fingers actually makes you feel something.

That is certainly true, and your case of minis for the evening game also weighs a bit compared to having plain plastic in it. St Celestine, 70 SoB, four Rhinos/Immolators and two Exorcists - that's something to hit people over the head with. ;-)

Spetulhu wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
I would miss the amazing weight. Holding a metal SoB between your fingers actually makes you feel something.

That is certainly true, and your case of minis for the evening game also weighs a bit compared to having plain plastic in it. St Celestine, 70 SoB, four Rhinos/Immolators and two Exorcists - that's something to hit people over the head with. ;-)

It's a bit weighty. Try transporting an Apocalypse sized Sisters' army. 5 Exorcists, 200 sisters with various guns, 20 seraphim, St Celestine, a Canoness, various priests, 3 Pentinent Engines, 12 rhino/Immolators, 2 aegis defense lines, a bastion, acustom Stormlord, and 2 Repressors plus your 'supplementary' Imperial guard with a bunch of infantry, and a dozen tanks of various manufacture. In addition to the extra arms needed I get a bit of workout transporting it all.

I've recently purchased a handful of ICs from Finecast and didn't have a problem with any of them, in terms of their production values. Putting them together and such (which was my fault) is an entirely different story.

Furyou Miko wrote:

Purifier wrote:I really disagree with the fan-service-y comments I hear a lot. I think the sniper would be the closest to it (as depicted below) but I don't think a girl that happens to have a feminine stance and a good 'bod is fanservicey. "Oh but she only has a tattered shirt on!" is also silly. We don't call the catachan embodiments of manlyness fanservicey.

I think she looks dangerous in a feminine way. I absolutely love it. I hate it when they feel the need to make the women look pseudo-male to make them look badass.

Spoiler:

Actually, there are only two reasons the Catachans aren't labelled as fanservicey. One: Most of the people doing the labelling are men. Two: The Catachan models are bad, while that Raging Heroes sniper is actually attractive and fanservicy. Then again, maybe we should blame the culture that's made a virtue of looking ragged and worn out?

To me at least, "bad" almost sounds a bit unfair to me. I think I've always regarded Catachans as "B-Movie Style".

But let's compare the RH mini to the female Catachan mini:


The Catachan's shirt isn't a tattered rag but actually looks like something issued to soldiers, and the pants, which do not expose half her hip and crotch, also don't look as if they'd fall down the legs any moment. Ultimately, she fits in with the rest of her squad, as the males employ an identical style. Physically, she also looks as if she actually had some exercise and experience rather than being a long-maned model for a photoshoot.

I'm not exactly "hating" on sexualised miniatures, mind you - I just think that the depiction should be "justified" by the respective culture the mini represents, and not simply be "thrown out into the public" as rather obvious eyecandy for the gamer/collector. For example, I might be able to better envision that RH girl as a Necromunda Escher ganger. But to accept her as a viable IG choice, I think I would need to see some male squaddies who are similarly (under)dressed. Such regiments do actually exist in GW fluff, but as RH is specifically only selling girl minis, the intent appears clear to me.
I will admit that some of the minis in that kickstarter look suitable enough to fit in with certain types of armies, and this "Nepharya" would make an amazing Tech-Priest(ess), though.

Furyou Miko wrote:In reference to the entire conversation this single comment sparked off, I'd just like to say that I REALLY wish the Ecclesiarchy symbol and the Inquisition symbol were a little better differentiated.
The Inquisition symbol is a capital letter i with a skull in the middle and three bars through it. The Ecclesiarchy symbol is... a capitol letter i with a sunburst in the middle with three rays coming off each side of it.

I don't think the Inquisition symbol has a skull - or at least that the skull might only be optional (badge of rank? personal style? special affiliation?). Most often, I only see it as just the Imperial "I" with three bars. [example mini]
The Ecclesiarchy symbol, on the other hand, I think I've always seen with a skull, as the skull stands for the Emperor's sacrifice or something like that.

 Lynata wrote:
I don't think the Inquisition symbol has a skull - or at least that the skull might only be optional (badge of rank? personal style? special affiliation?). Most often, I only see it as just the Imperial "I" with three bars. [example mini]
The Ecclesiarchy symbol, on the other hand, I think I've always seen with a skull, as the skull stands for the Emperor's sacrifice or something like that.

That's a very good point, actually. At the same time, the Sister Dialogous model is most certainly porting the Inquisition's symbol - three horizontal bars, skull or no - and not the symbol of the Ecclesiarchy.

On a tangent about the Sister Dialogous model...anyone have a picture of one with a better paint job? The model is a bit quirky but it doesn't look that bad to me. Maybe if it wasn't painted with joke glasses and a yawning black hole for a mouth it would look ok? Just guessing.

 amanita wrote:
On a tangent about the Sister Dialogous model...anyone have a picture of one with a better paint job? The model is a bit quirky but it doesn't look that bad to me. Maybe if it wasn't painted with joke glasses and a yawning black hole for a mouth it would look ok? Just guessing.

The glasses and mouth are the model, bud.

Seriously. Google "sister Dialogus" and go to images. They're all like it, regardless of paintjob.

After that, the question still stands. Anyone see one with a good paint job?

Nope.