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Troike wrote:They're actually condoning it at this point. My GW manager was told by customer services to tell people wanting to play SoB to go look for a PDF on the internet, and I've seen other cases of people reporting that customer services told them the same thing.

Too bad their legal department keeps telling scribd to remove said PDFs.

Troike wrote:IRRC, their models are casted upon demand.

That's what I thought as well. However, do they really cast on per-order basis, or would they do, say, 50, and wait until those sell out, then cast 50 more?

What's this rumour about GW getting rid of all their metal stuff, including the casting equipment? This might spell doom for a whole range of classy armies, not just the SoB. :(

The scary thing is that it'd fit to the report from the Plastic Sisters thread regarding the first ones becoming Unavailable in the UK webshop. Of course, it could merely be coincidence and they're just preparing to cast another lot of 50 ...
(I vaguely recall some other minis were Unavailable as well before showing up again)

 Lynata wrote:

Troike wrote:They're actually condoning it at this point. My GW manager was told by customer services to tell people wanting to play SoB to go look for a PDF on the internet, and I've seen other cases of people reporting that customer services told them the same thing.

Too bad their legal department keeps telling scribd to remove said PDFs.

Well, Ovion's one is still up. Though that's probably because he's included some legalese to protect it.

 Lynata wrote:

Troike wrote:IRRC, their models are casted upon demand.

The scary thing is that it'd fit to the report from the Plastic Sisters thread regarding the first ones becoming Unavailable in the UK webshop. Of course, it could merely be coincidence and they're just preparing to cast another lot of 50 ...
(I vaguely recall some other minis were Unavailable as well before showing up again)

The odd thing is that two of the Seraphim Superior models don't just say unavaliable, they've literally vanished from the UK GW site.

But yeah, they could reappear. We'll just have to wait and see.

 Troike wrote:

 Lynata wrote:

Troike wrote:IRRC, their models are casted upon demand.

The scary thing is that it'd fit to the report from the Plastic Sisters thread regarding the first ones becoming Unavailable in the UK webshop. Of course, it could merely be coincidence and they're just preparing to cast another lot of 50 ...
(I vaguely recall some other minis were Unavailable as well before showing up again)

The odd thing is that two of the Seraphim Superior models don't just say unavaliable, they've literally vanished from the UK GW site.

But yeah, they could reappear. We'll just have to wait and see.

That happened to the Spray Gun Propellant (don't judge me) on the Canadian site. I sent them an e-mail about it, and apparently it was an error. I checked back a week or two later, and it was back up there.

 Lynata wrote:

What's this rumour about GW getting rid of all their metal stuff, including the casting equipment? This might spell doom for a whole range of classy armies, not just the SoB. :(

It already has, Specialist lines like Necromunda are now dead, along with 2nd edition IG

Glad I finished my Tallarn last year.

Magazines are sent to the printers as a PDF file. The pages from that white dwarf will already exist as a PDF. It would be very little work at all to isolate those pages, make a few alterations and make them available on the site.

The reason they don't is because they don't want to. It might be because they want White Dwarf to be essential reading, so republishing any useful content from it is simply not on.

That response is basically servicedesk speak for "don't hold your breath, we've asked but we already knew we're not gonna be told anything early".
I would know... not only am I on a servicedesk, but it's almost exactly how I would have written it were I in the same situation. Couple that with the fact that it's from NA, and any news on SoB would be coming out of the UK.

Speculating now: if it is true that they've asked head office to put it up, then I assume they did so after recieving enough questions on the matter to warrant a response.

No doubt... but it only takes a handful of calls a day for a servicedesk to want a solid answer they can give out. Not nearly enough to reverse a Head Office decision.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
To be honest, not having the PDF for sale by now makes little sense. The only reason I can think of is that it's so low of a priority that they don't want to divert the creative assets to do a formal layout for it, instead of just releasing the White Dwarf page layouts which would look "cheap". But that seems fairly unlikely. It's not that complicated of a project.

Isn't that sort-of what they did recently with Chaos Daemons?

Yeah but they had new demon units to sell and a codex on the way.

This time...

Im more annoyed because SoB is an army ive never used in my life, and it was tempting to start collecting an army and see where it went.
However, missing the 2nd WD caused a few probs and stopped that one dead.

Really dont mind the old models, or the price, but buying an army i have no way of playing does not interest me.
They need a PDF on the site like they did with BA or like FW has with DKoK.

Someone needs to email Reaper or someone asking about making some "Gothic Star Valkyries".

Read my Sig.

I won't believe it until I see them with my own eyes.

"We haven't forgotten them and they'll be updated in the future."
I call BS. By "Future" they mean maybe 2258AD or something. Not necessarily in our lifetimes.

I dont believe that GW is casting metal minis on demand. Too few metal minis exist at this time to justify it.

By not having the pdf, the existing stock will sell slower, forestalling its depletion and putting off whatever decision has to be made when they are gone.

We should just buy up all the metal figures and force a decision from them.
As to what that decision might be....probably not what we'd want. :(

Well that seems to be happening since some figures are now unavailable in some regions.

Maybe that is happening as their stock in the various warehouses runs out and they just can't be bothered enough to make more and ship them there.

 Krellnus wrote:
Maybe that is happening as their stock in the various warehouses runs out and they just can't be bothered enough to make more and ship them there.

It doubtless is what's happening. What's interesting is that the UK site is also showing No Longer Available for some models - including one of the three named characters.

That just means that the automated stock management software noticed the stock of that product is out, and no human has responded to it by refreshing stocks or removing the entry.

Honestly "no longer available" is the worst possible thing to see, because if it lasts too long it means nobody is even dealing with it.

So, what do we think will happen? They'll be OOP for a long time if not forever with little to no official statement from GW or will they step up and do something?

For what its worth, the same Seraphim model is no longer on the page for the U.S. site as well as virtually all of the all metal Collectors' IG range.

We knew the old IG were going out of production so that's no shock.

The rumors are GW sold off its metal casting equipment, they simply CANNOT make more unless they transition to Finecast.

A complete non-answer to a question and an apology.

Figures.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We knew the old IG were going out of production so that's no shock.

The rumors are GW sold off its metal casting equipment, they simply CANNOT make more unless they transition to Finecast.

True, but does not the same apply to the SoB as well? If GW sold of its metal casting equipment, then they cannot make more SoB anymore than more Steel Legion.

 MWHistorian wrote:
So, what do we think will happen? They'll be OOP for a long time if not forever with little to no official statement from GW or will they step up and do something?

When people got wind that the Specialist Games models were getting low on stock and would not be replenished, there was a lot of panic buying for Battle Fleet Gothic and many models disappeared in about a week. It will be interesting to see if there are as many people that have been holding off buying sisters that will be spurred into action to scoop up stuff.

Somehow I doubt this will happen.

I think GW will just let the stuff go out of print and keep quiet about the SoB. If they remain noncommital they keep their options open and put off being criticized for killing the SoB, which they may not be planning on doing anyway. It does not cost them anything other than some lost sales (which apparently they dont care about) to just let the sisters go into hibernation mode until they accomplish other priorities.

GW is focused on new customers so they probably expect most sales of any rejuvenated SoB line to be sold to new customers and couldnt give two craps about existing fans.

 Evil Lamp 6 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We knew the old IG were going out of production so that's no shock.

The rumors are GW sold off its metal casting equipment, they simply CANNOT make more unless they transition to Finecast.

True, but does not the same apply to the SoB as well? If GW sold of its metal casting equipment, then they cannot make more SoB anymore than more Steel Legion.

That's exactly what I meant.

Unless GW has something up their sleeve and they're ready to launch this Summer/Fall I would expect the SoB to be out of production for a very long time.


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JWhex wrote:


When people got wind that the Specialist Games models were getting low on stock and would not be replenished, there was a lot of panic buying for Battle Fleet Gothic and many models disappeared in about a week. It will be interesting to see if there are as many people that have been holding off buying sisters that will be spurred into action to scoop up stuff.

I don't think GW ever even announced it, people only found out because they asked customer service why model X wasn't available.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Evil Lamp 6 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We knew the old IG were going out of production so that's no shock.

The rumors are GW sold off its metal casting equipment, they simply CANNOT make more unless they transition to Finecast.

True, but does not the same apply to the SoB as well? If GW sold of its metal casting equipment, then they cannot make more SoB anymore than more Steel Legion.

That's exactly what I meant.

Unless GW has something up their sleeve and they're ready to launch this Summer/Fall I would expect the SoB to be out of production for a very long time.

That being the case, this doesn't bode well for SoB at all.

Well, seems we have to go to Raging Heroes then.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy

If they can do nice female models with that budget GW should be able to. They're big, have a dedicated fan base and probably a lot more money in cash than some upstart studio has.

I was afraid of that answer but I didn't want to admit it. They'll quietly let it die and hope no one will ask about it and if they do they'll throw out vague promises like "oh, we haven't forgotten! They will be updated in the future! Don't worry!" and then promptly forget everything about it.

Spetulhu wrote:
Well, seems we have to go to Raging Heroes then.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy

If they can do nice female models with that budget GW should be able to. They're big, have a dedicated fan base and probably a lot more money in cash than some upstart studio has.

Most of the Raging Heroes female characters are pretty lame fan-service-y models (icnluding their "toughest girls in the galaxy" line), though there are good exceptions to this.

Infinity is an okay producer as well, but they have sad number of derptastic and/or fan-service pieces too.

 Melissia wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:
Well, seems we have to go to Raging Heroes then.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy

If they can do nice female models with that budget GW should be able to. They're big, have a dedicated fan base and probably a lot more money in cash than some upstart studio has.

Most of the Raging Heroes female characters are pretty lame fan-service-y models (icnluding their "toughest girls in the galaxy" line), though there are good exceptions to this.

Infinity is an okay producer as well, but they have sad number of derptastic and/or fan-service pieces too.

I really disagree with the fan-service-y comments I hear a lot. I think the sniper would be the closest to it (as depicted below) but I don't think a girl that happens to have a feminine stance and a good 'bod is fanservicey. "Oh but she only has a tattered shirt on!" is also silly. We don't call the catachan embodiments of manlyness fanservicey.

I think she looks dangerous in a feminine way. I absolutely love it. I hate it when they feel the need to make the women look pseudo-male to make them look badass.