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Where was the SUV supposed to back off to given that the vehicle (as can be seen in the video around the 25s mark) was surrounded?
There was no room to back off to and then what happens?

The rider's bike get's tapped and both he and the SUV stop. The creepy part is that the whole pack stops too, completely surrounding the family.

You'd have to be incredibly naive not to consider yourself in extreme danger. It's not being an internet tough guy to say that if you are surrounded by a group of people who are intimidating you, you have a right to break out instead of becoming a victim.

I note that none of those riders considered leaving one lane clear for other motorists to get past, despite there being three lanes.

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cadbren wrote:
Where was the SUV supposed to back off to given that the vehicle (as can be seen in the video around the 25s mark) was surrounded?
There was no room to back off to and then what happens?

The rider's bike get's tapped and both he and the SUV stop. The creepy part is that the whole pack stops too, completely surrounding the family.

You'd have to be incredibly naive not to consider yourself in extreme danger. It's not being an internet tough guy to say that if you are surrounded by a group of people who are intimidating you, you have a right to break out instead of becoming a victim.

I note that none of those riders considered leaving one lane clear for other motorists to get past, despite there being three lanes.



Very good point.
   
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1) The "point is" that the SUV driver did have time to react. Motorist have a duty to avoid an accident if they can. The SUV driver had, from time stamp 21 when the biker is in his lane and at the front fender to time stamp 26 to hit his brakes. He didn't until time stamp 27 when he was inches from the bike. If he had taken proper evasive action in those 5 usable seconds, the entire incident would have been avoided.
You say that the biker was being a bully, the same could be said for the SUV. He failed to give way to the bike. If it had been a large tractor truck pulling around and cutting in close, do you think he would have made the same choice to stay right on the trucks ass? ....This is the crux of the problem that I see in this video.


While you have made several good points, you also make one big assumption. Did the SUV actually have room to back off? From the video there appears to be a red bike just off his rear corner just before the collision, where did that go?

Neither you, nor I, can answer that question, we don't actually know what was behind him, so you can't authoritively say that he had room to back off. Until evidence is produced as to that then we can only go by what can be seen and that appears to be that the biker is the instigator of the accident.

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cadbren wrote:

I note that none of those riders considered leaving one lane clear for other motorists to get past, despite there being three lanes.



Actually, the law here in the States is that a large group of motorcycles, such as a club ride, must ONLY take up one lane, they cannot use more than that, or "take over" the road, as these knuckleheads were doing.
   
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I read that this group has done crap like this before. I've been riding half my life and my group and I all agree. The riders in the video were just wrong. Maybe they will reconsider next time they decide to act like idiots.
   
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yellowfever wrote:
Maybe they will reconsider next time they decide to act like idiots.


Hah, you're saying that like people learn from experience.

   
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I just shake my head at these cocksleeves.

The video isn't that clear if the SUV driver could have avoided it. But the gangs actions were at best intimidating and I can't blame the driver for gunning it.

Hope the next time that idiot decides to be a douche bag they have wheelchair access for him.



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I don't mean to do a poop and swoop, but NBCnews has the current "breaking news" headline with no story yet attached:

BREAKING: Video shows undercover cop shattering rear window of SUV in NYC assault case

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Shouldn't it be swoop and poop? If you poop before you swoop, then you have relieved oneself of the poop before swooping over those you wish to deposit said poop on, no?

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 Ouze wrote:
I don't mean to do a poop and swoop, but NBCnews has the current "breaking news" headline with no story yet attached:

BREAKING: Video shows undercover cop shattering rear window of SUV in NYC assault case

If true (and I know that there is nothing to substantiate it yet) then that may explain why it took so long for him to come forward

 
   
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 filbert wrote:
Shouldn't it be swoop and poop? If you poop before you swoop, then you have relieved oneself of the poop before swooping over those you wish to deposit said poop on, no?


I know it's popularly "swoop and poop", but that kind of implies you pop in, poop, and then hang around. The way we've always used is is when someone pops in, drops a turd, and disappears, right?

I think I'm going to start using "poop 'n scoot" instead. It just makes more sense.

edit: Or maybe I misunderstand what swoop n poop means. Totally possible, even likely. v

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Speaking of little turds.

http://gma.yahoo.com/christopher-cruz-biker-charged-suv-attack-says-hes-152732705--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1

link has video

The 28-year-old biker accused of starting a bloody encounter between a group of bikers and an SUV driver on a New York highway says he does not feel responsible for the attack.

Christopher Cruz, a car wash worker, was captured on tape cutting off a Range Rover driven by Alexian Lien on the West Side Highway in Manhattan last month. Lien, driving with his wife and 2-year-old in the car, was eventually pulled out of his car and beaten by other motorcyclists traveling with Cruz, police said.

"I never had intentions to slow him down or cause any type of problems," Cruz told ABC News' Dan Harris in his first sit-down interview. "I don't think I feel responsible."

Cruz, a father of two, has been charged with reckless endangerment and unlawful imprisonment for his role in the incident. The charges could land him up to one year in prison.

Police Release Photo of Person of Interest in Alleged SUV Driver Beating

"It has turned my life upside down," Cruz said, adding that he is worried about what could happen to him and doesn't know if he can win his case.

The video police used to charge Cruz shows his motorcycle slowing in front of Lien's SUV as Lien, 33, his wife and 2-year-old drove down the highway on their way to a wedding anniversary celebration around 2 p.m., Sunday, Sept. 29. Lien's SUV was quickly surrounded by the motorcyclists, who were doing an annual ride through the city, police said.

Undercover NYPD Cop Watched SUV Driver Get Beaten

The group of motorcyclists then slowed down further and surrounded the SUV, causing Lien to accelerate away from the group.

In the video Cruz is seen next to the SUV and appears to be exchanging glances with the driver before pulling his bike out in front.

"I was trying to get his attention to make sure he sees me before I pulled in front of him," Cruz said. "He never looked back at me."

The video then shows Cruz crossing into the middle lane, looking back over both shoulders and then slowing down, resulting in the collision with Lien's SUV.

"[It was] never my intention to make him stop," Cruz said. "I didn't think I was doing anything wrong with just turning into another lane. The other bikes are going as slow as I am."

"I was looking over my shoulder to see where my friends were," he said. "I wanted them to pull in front so I could follow them. I didn't brake but when I looked over my shoulder, my hand came off the throttle a little, but the driver didn't slow down at all and bumped me."

Cruz told ABC News' Harris that both he and Lien stopped and he approached Lien for an explanation.

"He looked straight ahead and never made eye contact with me," Cruz said. "So I just went back to my bike and when I was getting on he took off."

Lien's wife, Rosalyn Ng, said that her husband feared for their lives when he decided to take off to get away from the group. As he sped off, Lien hit some of the motorcyclists, critically injuring one, authorities said.

Other motorcyclists chased Lien's SUV and then bashed in his windows, pulled him out of the car, and beat him, police said.

Lien required stitches in his face for injuries sustained in the attack. He has not been charged with any crime.

"I do feel badly for the family that got hurt," said Cruz, who suffered minor injuries in the crash and whose bike was damaged.

Two off-duty New York police officers were riding with the biker group and the NYPD is investigating why the cops apparently did not intervene, authorities said.

In addition to Cruz, two other men have been charged in the attack.

Robert Sims, 35, who allegedly grabbed the SUV's door about five minutes into the video, turned himself in to police Friday in Brooklyn, NYPD officials said.

He faces charges of gang assault, assault and criminal possession of a weapon, according to police.

Sims was arrested in 1998 for possession of a loaded firearm and a samurai sword, and he served eight months in jail, police said.

Reginald Chance, 38, of Brooklyn, also surrendered to police late Friday. He allegedly was the man seen on video using his helmet to smash the driver's side window of the Range Rover before the video cut off and the alleged assault took place.

Chance appeared in court on Sunday and raised both middle fingers to cameras and others inside the courtroom as he was arraigned.

Cruz told ABC News he does not know Chance or Sims, the two individuals charged with attacking Lien, and was not at all involved in the ensuing chase.

Cruz's attorney believes his client was arrested because of the furor of media attention surrounding the incident.

"I think that they needed to make an arrest to satisfy the public," the attorney, H. Benjamin Perez, told ABC News. "He didn't brake. The video shows that," Perez said. "He was not trying to entrap Mr. Lien and go up against an almost four-ton vehicle while he was on two wheels."

ABC News' Alexis Shaw, Linzie Janis, Aaron Katersky and Josh Margolin contributed to this report.




Just watching the video you can tell he's lying.

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