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2013/11/12 16:20:38
Subject: Discussion of the Aliens, Predator, AvP et al films
Alien 3 is much better if you watch the extended edition because it covers so much more than the original version.
However that doesn't stop the fact that A3 spends most of its time up its own butt and not actually focusing on the story or where it is going. It is basically a remake of alien with some bits of aliens thrown in. The fact that a chestburster ends up on the original ship is completely and utterly impossible.
But when it isn't having plot problems, Alien 3 isn't all that bad. Good acting for the most part.
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2013/11/12 16:38:49
Subject: Discussion of the Aliens, Predator, AvP et al films
Alien 3 is depressing like hanging out in the lobby of a nursing home level depressing.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2013/11/12 21:29:13
Subject: Re:Discussion of the Aliens, Predator, AvP et al films
If the thought of something makes me giggle for longer than 15 seconds, I am to assume that I am not allowed to do it. item 87, skippys list
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2013/11/12 22:13:35
Subject: Discussion of the Aliens, Predator, AvP et al films
Alfndrate wrote: I mean I think it's cool that there are all these connections, but if they ham-fist the connection then it's going to suck.
Yeah, that's it exactly. Seeing that Alien skull on the wall of the ship in Predators II was one of the best nerd moments of my childhood. Because it was just a small detail, hidden in the background, that implied a much bigger world just beyond that movie.
On the other hand, all the stuff that exists just to make reference back to things developed in other movies ends up making the whole thing feel small. Making constant references to Weyland or Yutani in the various prequel movies actually stripped away a greater meaning of the aliens, they no longer represented the danger posed by man's scientific curiousity outstripping it's wisdom, now they were just the on-going, constantly disastrous research project of one company.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2013/11/13 02:35:34
Subject: Discussion of the Aliens, Predator, AvP et al films
Alfndrate wrote: I mean I think it's cool that there are all these connections, but if they ham-fist the connection then it's going to suck.
Yeah, that's it exactly. Seeing that Alien skull on the wall of the ship in Predators II was one of the best nerd moments of my childhood. Because it was just a small detail, hidden in the background, that implied a much bigger world just beyond that movie.
On the other hand, all the stuff that exists just to make reference back to things developed in other movies ends up making the whole thing feel small. Making constant references to Weyland or Yutani in the various prequel movies actually stripped away a greater meaning of the aliens, they no longer represented the danger posed by man's scientific curiousity outstripping it's wisdom, now they were just the on-going, constantly disastrous research project of one company.
Which is why I am glad DArk Horse is ignoring AvP I & II.
2013/11/13 03:27:44
Subject: Discussion of the Aliens, Predator, AvP et al films
Alien 3 certainly isn’t a terrible film, it has some wonderful chase sequences and a great deal of tension.
The one thing that really annoyed me however was that the whole premise of the Alien and it’s life cycle as established in the previous two films was thrown away in Alien 3.
In the previous films the ‘drone’ Aliens endeavor take their human victims alive and incapacitates them for impregnation. Even in the first Alien, where no Queen/eggs are present on the Nostromo, the Alien still places Dallas and Brett in cocoons. Ripley finds them in this state in the Directors cut. It's also stated that they found no blood and no body in the air ducts where Dallas was when the Alien grabbed him. The Alien 3 drone however just goes on a killing spree.
It even says the following in the scene where Ripley explains the Alien to the Superintendent:
Andrews: Let me see if I have this correct, Lieutenant - it's an 8-foot creature of some kind with acid for blood, and it arrived on your spaceship. It kills on sight, and is generally unpleasant. And of course, you expect me accept all this on your word.
The Alien has never ‘killed on sight’ that’s not how they work. I don’t know if this was a conscious change or just lazy writing.
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2013/11/13 19:22:30
Subject: Re:Discussion of the Aliens, Predator, AvP et al films
I've gotten to wondering why the crew of the Prometheus never picked up the distress signal on LV-426 if they were in the same system. It seems odd that they would ignore it considering they went out there looking for life.
Medium of Death wrote: I've gotten to wondering why the crew of the Prometheus never picked up the distress signal on LV-426 if they were in the same system. It seems odd that they would ignore it considering they went out there looking for life.
That assumes the signal was broadcasting at that time (It could be because of events in the planned sequels to Prometheus)
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2013/11/15 11:24:54
Subject: Re:Discussion of the Aliens, Predator, AvP et al films
Medium of Death wrote: I've gotten to wondering why the crew of the Prometheus never picked up the distress signal on LV-426 if they were in the same system. It seems odd that they would ignore it considering they went out there looking for life.
Well, the way i look at it is that they where the ones whom broadcasted the signal. It makes sense, they realised the danger and in order to prevent the Xenomorphs being inadvertantly returned to earth they broadcasted a warning signal. However as this is pre-alien times, their tech was lower. Hence why, several centuries later, the crew of the Nostramo picked up the signal but couldnt fully understand it till it was translated. It was to primitive.
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2013/11/15 11:55:37
Subject: Re:Discussion of the Aliens, Predator, AvP et al films
The space jockey is "fossilised" as Dallas describes it, more likely mummified. This suggests that it has been dead for a long time, Prometheus is only set 30 years before Alien. I would argue the ship Prometheus is more advanced than the Nostromo. The Nostromo is a "deep space towing vessel" that may well have been built during the time of Prometheus. The Prometheus was designed for exploring, they were seeking out life, you could easily imagine them having some kind of facility to pic up rogue signals.
Also the events of Prometheus took place on a different Moon, LV-223, so how could the have set the crew have set the distress signal?
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Medium of Death wrote: The space jockey is "fossilised" as Dallas describes it, more likely mummified. This suggests that it has been dead for a long time, Prometheus is only set 30 years before Alien. I would argue the ship Prometheus is more advanced than the Nostromo. The Nostromo is a "deep space towing vessel" that may well have been built during the time of Prometheus. The Prometheus was designed for exploring, they were seeking out life, you could easily imagine them having some kind of facility to pic up rogue signals.
Also the events of Prometheus took place on a different Moon, LV-223, so how could the have set the crew have set the distress signal?
What.... But.... Then what happened to the human ship, and how come the advert shows the space jockey climbing into the turret gun? It must be set a millenia before Alien, because the Jockey was fossilised when they found him. How does any of this make sense? Ive ordered a copy, i have to watch it myself. Maybe then i will understand.
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2013/11/15 20:02:51
Subject: Discussion of the Aliens, Predator, AvP et al films
Medium of Death wrote: The space jockey is "fossilised" as Dallas describes it, more likely mummified. This suggests that it has been dead for a long time, Prometheus is only set 30 years before Alien. I would argue the ship Prometheus is more advanced than the Nostromo. The Nostromo is a "deep space towing vessel" that may well have been built during the time of Prometheus. The Prometheus was designed for exploring, they were seeking out life, you could easily imagine them having some kind of facility to pic up rogue signals.
Also the events of Prometheus took place on a different Moon, LV-223, so how could the have set the crew have set the distress signal?
What.... But.... Then what happened to the human ship, and how come the advert shows the space jockey climbing into the turret gun? It must be set a millenia before Alien, because the Jockey was fossilised when they found him. How does any of this make sense? Ive ordered a copy, i have to watch it myself. Maybe then i will understand.
You're assuming that it's the same Space Jockey, it could easily be a different one, all we found out that the xenomorph is a form of biological weapon designed against humans created by the Engineers
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2013/11/16 11:54:14
Subject: Re:Discussion of the Aliens, Predator, AvP et al films
Medium of Death wrote: The space jockey is "fossilised" as Dallas describes it, more likely mummified. This suggests that it has been dead for a long time, Prometheus is only set 30 years before Alien. I would argue the ship Prometheus is more advanced than the Nostromo. The Nostromo is a "deep space towing vessel" that may well have been built during the time of Prometheus. The Prometheus was designed for exploring, they were seeking out life, you could easily imagine them having some kind of facility to pic up rogue signals.
Also the events of Prometheus took place on a different Moon, LV-223, so how could the have set the crew have set the distress signal?
What.... But.... Then what happened to the human ship, and how come the advert shows the space jockey climbing into the turret gun? It must be set a millenia before Alien, because the Jockey was fossilised when they found him. How does any of this make sense? Ive ordered a copy, i have to watch it myself. Maybe then i will understand.
You're assuming that it's the same Space Jockey, it could easily be a different one, all we found out that the xenomorph is a form of biological weapon designed against humans created by the Engineers
Wait, but didnt they create humans at the start of the movie?
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2013/11/16 11:55:27
Subject: Discussion of the Aliens, Predator, AvP et al films
I own a number of the Kamen Rider, Super Sentai, and Sailor Moon Figuarts figures from Tamashii Nations, they are all fantastic. Lots of bits/optional pieces, tons of poseability, fantastic detail/paint jobs. The price tag is a little high, but I feel they are worth it.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: Indulged my nostalgia and rewatched Leviathan last night. One of the host of Alien 'homages' that cropped up in the 80s...
Wasn't as bad as I had been expecting. Also, where else would you find Robocop, Evil-Lyn and Winston from Ghostbusters all at once!
Had a look at the trailer, looks like a cross between Alien, The Thing and The Abyss... While I do like those movies (the first two more than the last), I think i'll give that a miss!
I think I might have to go an watch "THE THING" now. Such an excellent movie. Another great example of the sci-fi horror genre, of which there are too few.
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