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 Hordini wrote:

Sorry Whembly, I wasn't trying to insinuate anything about you personally.

No worries dude.


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 Bromsy wrote:

 Hordini wrote:


It's a somewhat complex term with a variety of definitions that have shifted over time. What do you think it means?



While I understand the argument of some feminists in this regard, I would also argue that a man can hold a door open for a woman or assist her in carrying something for its own sake (that is, out of kindness), rather than under the guise of a pact that implies certain expectations. Which is more what I'm referring to, because when I hear complaints of chivalry being dead, it's most commonly linked with some situation involving a man being rude or disrespectful to a woman. But I recognize that use of the word isn't strictly the same thing as the medieval code of honor from which it originates.

I think you are looking for the term courtesy. That covers everything you seem to be espousing without getting into all the other unrelated aspects of chivalry like service, military training, challenges, christian faithfulness, and horsemanship.

Exactly. Courtesy is absolutely the right thing to do.


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 Cheesecat wrote:
Having read several people's response to my posts about cheating, I have reevaluated my position and agree with several posters that the responsible thing to do in an unhealthy relationship is to breakup/divorce rather than to cheat, I apologize for any offense I caused.

'Tis okay... it's great that you've reevaluated your stance.


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Stuebi wrote:

OT:

Whembly, have a highfive. I agree with everything you said. The dude seriously is my hero, and with payback delivered he can move on to date an actually decent human being instead of that cow.

:highfive back:

I still think moving next door to your ex is dumb... but, if you're going to do that... man... that statue is epic.

If this act is considered to be manly instead of petty; I think the definition of masculinity has gotten pretty fethed up.

I thought men were suppose to adhere to a stoic tradition and not let themselves be defined by the actions of another person, but instead be defined by their own actions and deeds.

The actions of the former husband are repulsive and juvenile. Two very unattrative qualities no matter who it is. Fantasizing about vengence is one thing, acting on those base impulses is uncivilized and counterproductive.

Is there any actual proof that the woman cheated on the man aside from the man's word?

 Easy E wrote:
If this act is considered to be manly instead of petty; I think the definition of masculinity has gotten pretty fethed up.

I thought men were suppose to adhere to a stoic tradition and not let themselves be defined by the actions of another person, but instead be defined by their own actions and deeds.

The actions of the former husband are repulsive and juvenile. Two very unattrative qualities no matter who it is. Fantasizing about vengence is one thing, acting on those base impulses is uncivilized and counterproductive.

I think everyone defines "being a man" differently. Also, I think its much less an issue of "being a REAL man" and more different people having different values, this isnt gender exclusive. And I personally value people getting called out for their BS, and thus maybe keeping them from doing stuff like that in the future. I also firmly beleive in Karma. If you kick people hard enough, they might just come around and bite your ass in the future.

I mean: "I behaved like a total D-Bag and it had consequences!" Cry me a fething river.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
Is there any actual proof that the woman cheated on the man aside from the man's word?

She did not deny it (yet) and appearantly moved in with her lover. IF she comes around denying it tough, this would be an entirely different kind of issue. I mean, that statue doesnt look like it was cheap.

Stuebi wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Ifmore different people having different values

If what I am seeing here is a "value" then I would argue that we have no worthwhile "values".

Yeah, what is hard about seeing something petty for what it is?

Manchu wrote:
Yeah, what is hard about seeing something petty for what it is?

Because it's an updated scarlet letter that we can all have a good chuckle over?

Please go read The Scarlet Letter.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

Manchu wrote:
Yeah, what is hard about seeing something petty for what it is?

Because it's an updated scarlet letter that we can all have a good chuckle over?

In today's day and age we really don't need a Scarlet Letter.

Here I thought the Puritans were long gone. Foolish me.

@ Easy E

You should edit that quote from me above, im pretty sure it should be the other way around.

And I guess im gonna agree to disagree here, since he could've buildt a 50 foot sign made from diamonds that read:

"Up yours."

And I would still find it great. So thats that.

Manchu wrote:
Please go read The Scarlet Letter.

I have, Manchu, it came with the degree. I am allowed to have a bit of fun with this though. It's part of my "charm". At least that's what the doctors say before they make sure I give myself a nice big hug in my warm, white sweater.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
it came with the degree

hahaohwow.jpg

Okay, carry on justifying pathetic vindictive behavior somehow on the basis of Hawthorne.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I give myself a nice big hug in my warm, white sweater

Now you're making more sense.

 Bromsy wrote:

Manchu wrote:
Or ... be a man, move on with your life.

I'm not sure when it became the definition of manliness to calmly accept slights and abuse, but I'm guessing it's at most a hundred years or so. Throughout the vast majority of human history, taking gak from your peers without qualms was called being a coward. I'm not saying it's a smart or better way, but the historical way of 'being a man' about this would be to get a hammer and do some skull bludgeoning.

At one time a vindictive wife would wait until her husband was asleep, then stab a knitting needle through his eyes.

So people think this guy is a "man"?

 d-usa wrote:
So people think this guy is a "man"?

Do you think he is not a "man"?

Why?

 d-usa wrote:
So people think this guy is a "man"?

Biologically, yes.
Otherwise the question as to whether he is a "man" depends on a lot of subjective definitions and ideals, as this thread has shown

Isn't the whole gender stereotype thing the talking point of this decade?

 daedalus wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So people think this guy is a "man"?

Do you think he is not a "man"?

Why?

Some (including myself) may feel this behaviour is childish and he should just let things go rather than continue to bring misery to his ex and have a constant reminder of his bad relationship out on his balcony isn't healthy mentally either.

who care's its funny.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So people think this guy is a "man"?

Do you think he is not a "man"?

Why?

Some (including myself) may feel this behaviour is childish and he should just let things go rather than continue to bring misery to his ex and have a constant reminder of his bad relationship out on his balcony isn't healthy mentally either.

Which part of that (or does all of it, I suppose) make one not a "man"?

 Kilkrazy wrote:

At one time a vindictive wife would wait until her husband was asleep, then stab a knitting needle through his eyes.

Or... you could do what this gal did:

That's a billboard at 4th Street and 7th Avenue, NY.


PS: Pretty sure it's a fake... but, awesome nonethanless.

 whembly wrote:

Or... you could do what this gal did:

That's a billboard at 4th Street and 7th Avenue, NY.


PS: Pretty sure it's a fake... but, awesome nonethanless.

Seems like I remember a bunch of people thinking videotaping two people having intercourse without both people's awareness and then using that to embarass or humiliate the persons involved was bad.

Not saying you were one of them.

...I wonder if she is not a "man".

 daedalus wrote:
...I wonder if she is not a "man".

You seem very confused.

Now that is my kind of lady. Impressive.

Manchu wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
...I wonder if she is not a "man".

You seem very confused.

In which ways?

No one is saying that only men should act with courtesy and maturity. The point was, pettiness is not manly.

Manchu wrote:
No one is saying that only men should act with courtesy and maturity. The point was, pettiness is not manly.

So she's not being "manly".

Manchu wrote:
No one is saying that only men should act with courtesy and maturity. The point was, pettiness is not manly.

That's your opinion.

IF she truly cheated on her hubby and he remained faithful (which is hard to believe)... then it's justified.

At least he's not making a scene at her workplace, crashing family gatherings, etc...

Also, we would probably never know about this if the daughter hasn't posted pictures of that via social media.

If being petty and vindictive makes you "a man" and an "Alpha" like the last couple pages have indicated, then yes she is manly.

Of course is that is what it takes to be a man then I need to know where I can turn in my testicles because I don't want to be associated with my gender if that is the threshold for being an "alpha".

 daedalus wrote:

Manchu wrote:
No one is saying that only men should act with courtesy and maturity. The point was, pettiness is not manly.

So she's not being "manly".

No one is saying she ought to be.

 whembly wrote:
That's your opinion.

No, it's a conclusion.