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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Citizen Kane is often considered a contender for best film ever.

The funny thing is, I've yet to meet anybody outside a film critic that's ever seen that film...strange

I've seen it twice.

It's a good example of the kind of "classic" black and white film from the golden era of the Hollywood star system that used to get shown on TV a lot in the UK, on BBC 2 on Saturday afternoons when the sport was on BBC 1.

These days they prefer to sell such films on DVD. Actually you can get tons of classics really cheaply on DVD and it compresses well because there is no colour so the visual result is good.

 kronk wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Citizen Kane is often considered a contender for best film ever.

I hated that movie. Overblown piece of tripe.

I enjoyed that movie, you're a piece of rhubarb pie!

To quote the immortal bard: I like pie!

I saw it once. Once was enough for me. Maybe its because I like Hurst.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Cars, of course, is aimed at an audience of 5-year-old boys who like to collect Matchbox toys.

And Up is aimed at little kid, but is amazing, same with most disney movies.
Cars was just pathetic to be honest. and we are getting a 3rd one.

Loved the first and second Godfathers but I'd rather be captured by the Night Lords than watch the third one again.
I know how you feel about not liking a movie everyone else seems to like, I hate Shawshank Redemption.

Shawshank Redemption is much better than the Hudsucker Proxy!

Anyone not liking the Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai is clearly a communist, and not the cool "WE WILL BURY YOU" Khruschev kind but the snivelling coffee house hipster university professor type.

That movie sucks.

I honestly think Citizen Kane is an overblown film in terms of its story. The story wasn't that good. Hours of watching some guy self-destruct with a real wtf ending that made me feel like my time has been wasted (maybe the point of the film was something about futlity idk).

Either way, the thing Kane is noteable for isn't its plot but its technical features. First film montage ever isn't it? Lots of camera tricks used for the first time, lighting effects no one had seen before, etc. It's an important film, but I've never felt right calling it a good film. The later feels like something thrown out from nostalgia more than anything.

 kronk wrote:
That movie sucks.

pfft Commie. And not the Starbucks commie but the cheap Seatle Coffeehouse commie. No creme cheese danish for you!





Commie.

 LordofHats wrote:
I honestly think Citizen Kane is an overblown film in terms of its story. The story wasn't that good. Hours of watching some guy self-destruct with a real wtf ending that made me feel like my time has been wasted (maybe the point of the film was something about futlity idk).

Either way, the thing Kane is noteable for isn't its plot but its technical features. First film montage ever isn't it? Lots of camera tricks used for the first time, lighting effects no one had seen before, etc. It's an important film, but I've never felt right calling it a good film. The later feels like something thrown out from nostalgia more than anything.

It's hard for us to understand now but when it was made it was a tart bit of socio/political commentary on the power of the Hearst yellow press empire as well as a bag of camera tricks and so on.

 LordofHats wrote:
Either way, the thing Kane is noteable for isn't its plot but its technical features. First film montage ever isn't it?

Citizen Kane is definitely not the first use of montage in film. The Soviets used montage editing a long time before Citizen Kane came out, in films like Battleship Potemkin. Citizen Kane does use a lot of other innovative camera, makeup, and lighting techniques though, as you noted.

Russia invented Pokemon? No wonder I can't catch them all! Some are in Siberia!

I guess I'm just more of a Casablanca man.

I didn't like Casablanca. I think The African Queen was Bogart's best movie.

We were going to watch that in my film class but I think something happened to the copy the professor had and we ended up watching The Exterminting Angel instead.

That movies was weird.

maltese falcon was wayy better then citizen cane, and was wayy more of a game changer then things like the godfather... which was more of a game changer in how it was marketted then for artistic merit.

OFC everyones opinions are opinions...

I got a good laugh from this

 sebster wrote:

The Godfather is a game changer because it quite simply changed the game.

LOL really... thats some logic there, and you are certainly welcome to your opinion, but usually declarative/definitive statements like "its been proven, because it is proved" or "I am right, because I am right" are funny.


Scarface: The Shame of the Nation (1932), The Public Enemy (1931), White Heat (1949), are all far more game changing in the crime/mob genre, with the original scarface giving a very good inside look into the character arc of the criminal.

and they all predate the GFather, but didnt have the fancy pants marketing or "cool kids" group to fluff up support and awards for them

other game chager mob movies that set the tone well before the GF: Public Enemy (1931),

and almost all of those flowed from the real game changer, that the godfather copies, Little Caesar (1930)

"The film's title character was based, in part, after the character of real-life, ruthless gangster Al Capone - a vain and cruelly vicious Italian mobster who experienced a similar rise and fall."


hmmm italian mobsters rise and fall... gee, thats a real game changer the umpteenth time its done...

I highly recommend lots of these old gangster movies... they are surprisingly good given the times.

 kronk wrote:
I didn't like Casablanca. I think The African Queen was Bogart's best movie.

Yea it is full of righteous awesome.

 Frazzled wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I didn't like Casablanca. I think The African Queen was Bogart's best movie.

Yea it is full of righteous awesome.

yes... so much yes on african queen.

 easysauce wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I didn't like Casablanca. I think The African Queen was Bogart's best movie.

Yea it is full of righteous awesome.

yes... so much yes on african queen.

Gentlemen, we have an accord!

Up with African Queen, down with Thor II. So let it be written, so let it be done!

 kronk wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I didn't like Casablanca. I think The African Queen was Bogart's best movie.

Yea it is full of righteous awesome.

yes... so much yes on african queen.

Gentlemen, we have an accord!

Up with African Queen, down with Thor II. So let it be written, so let it be done!

Here endeth the lesson.

My favorite "Old movies" Are Rear Window and Singing in the Rain
Here is the thing About Kane. IT i has the biggest plot hole I have ever seen

I liked Strangers of a Train a lot.

Throw mama from the Train was Danny Devito's best work.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Citizen Kane is often considered a contender for best film ever.

The funny thing is, I've yet to meet anybody outside a film critic that's ever seen that film...strange

Had to watch it in High School, for a class called "Film as Lit" was actually a great class overall.

I like Citizen Kane quite a lot. It's hard to believe that Orson Welles co-wrote, produced, directed, and starred in it at the age of 26.
I also like his work on Touch of Evil. Need to get around to actually watching my copy of The Third Man.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
It's hard to believe that Orson Welles co-wrote, produced, directed, and starred in it at the age of 26.

And then there are some filmmakers who will go a lifetime and not make anything near as meaningful

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I like Citizen Kane quite a lot. It's hard to believe that Orson Welles co-wrote, produced, directed, and starred in it at the age of 26.
I also like his work on Touch of Evil. Need to get around to actually watching my copy of The Third Man.

I like The Third Man waaaay more than Citizen Kane. I highly recommend watching it.

 easysauce wrote:
LOL really... thats some logic there, and you are certainly welcome to your opinion, but usually declarative/definitive statements like "its been proven, because it is proved" or "I am right, because I am right" are funny.

Yeah, you see how you cut the next part of my post, where I actually listed the ways in which the Godfather changed the game, and then said I was just claiming I was right? That's ridiculous.

Anyhow, I'll repeat the point again, so hopefully maybe this time you'll learn something and just move on - the Godfather changed the way films were made, the way they were marketed, and the way they were released. It was the film that makes the real starting point between the old Hollywood method and the move to the modern blockbuster. This a change in the game.

Scarface: The Shame of the Nation (1932), The Public Enemy (1931), White Heat (1949)... (snip)

Here are some other films that were game changers in totally different ways, therefore the Godfather wasn't... strange argument.

I highly recommend lots of these old gangster movies... they are surprisingly good given the times.

A lot of them are excellent movies and hold up really well today, yeah. Public Enemy is a personal favourite.

12 Angry Men is an excellent movie. But not the gakky re-do with Tony Danza.

Never actually watched it.