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Anyone else feel the same, I think what I hate most is hearing people argue about whether its the greatest movie ever made or if it glorifies the mafia. I say neither, its just a bad attempt at a movie that we think is good because it was edgy when it came out, we all saw it as kids with the expectation that this would be a good movie so the expectation influenced us to like it.

Its horrible quality. You can't sympathize with any of the characters because the characters all seem to be caricatures of themselves. The only two characters that seem remotely realistic are the old godfather and the man asking him for favor in the opening scene, other than that the movie concentrates on young godfather and his ditsy later whiny wife. I hated young godfather, as far as I was concerned he was just a spoiled brat, his dad never wanted to go into the mafia, then his dad gets shot his wife gets blown up and he goes through a crappy transformation to a hardened criminal. I know people who have gone through far worse in their lives without really changing who they are. Unlike others who hate this because they think it excuses the characters in the film I hate it because it doesn't make any sense.

I also hate the way its sanitized please note this is different that glorified or someone making a justification for crime. This is mainly why people think it sugarcoats the mafia but the reasons is more because the writers believed that they were pushing the envelope enough by making a movie about criminals and didn't want to disturb the audience. They love to show people getting shot or blown-up up in the distance, or talking about crimes committed while sitting around a mansion but never take a trip to the places where they actually make their money, like to a strip joint that looks like a barn where you could probably get a std from breathing in the air, or a neighborhood full of homeless drug addicts, no you just get a view from the mansion headquarters.

These factors i'm mentioning may seem unrelated but really they are, they stem from a nihilistic worldview, a world view where their are just bastards and suckers, where the only morality debate is between a teacher who says "killing is bad", and a criminal who says "but other people kill besides me so i'm not bad. Its same outlook where that led Francis Coppola to direct Apocalypse Now, a much better movie but one that still showcased his rather dim view on human nature. That's the problem with the God Father series, it doesn't encourage organized crime, it encourages people to say "f@ck it its just the way the world is.

It's perfectly fine for you to dislike the Godfather.

But objectively, it's a good movie.

So, we were looking to start a discussion? Do want people to make counter-points and see if there are other ways of looking at the film you have may have missed? Or did you just make this thread to randomly state an opinion with no other aims at all?

The main draw for me for The Godfather is the indisputably great acting.

Nitpicking at the plot is fine if that's what you like to do, but it's still an objectively brilliant film.

I've never even seen it. Shocking, I know. Everybody has seen it. Except me...

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I've never even seen it. Shocking, I know. Everybody has seen it. Except me...

I haven't seen it.

I sometimes hate DakkaDakka.

Anyone else feel the same, I think what I hate most is hearing people argue about whether Finecast is the greatest product ever made or if people would have better results just doing their own 3D printing. I say neither, its just a bad attempt at a thread that we might think is a strawmen when we read it, we all saw it as nerds with the expectation that this would be a great deal on kitchen cabinets so the expectation influenced us to like it.

Its horrible quality. You can't sympathize with any of the posts on DakkaDakka because the points all seem to be nothing but IP lawyering. The only two points that seem remotely realistic are the "we need more kickstarters" and the "we need to put all the kickstarters and put them in their own forum" in the nuts and bolt section, other than that the thread concentrates on "I have an opinion, but other people have other opinion". I hate most people's opinions, as far as I was concerned they just make weird post, his dad never wanted to watch the liberal media talk about things, then his dad gets Obamacare and his wife gets a Razorgor and he goes through a crappy transformation to become an Off-Topic poster. I know people who have gone through far worse in their lives without really changing who they are so it's really the victim's fault that all this happened. . Unlike others who hate this thread because they think it blames the victim I don't have the need to do worry about that because that sort of sexism doesn't affect me.

I also hate the way its sanitized please note this is different that glorified or someone making a justification for online opinions. This is mainly why people think it sugarcoats the Off-Topic but the reasons is more because posters believe that he were pushing the envelope enough by making a thread about our spiritual liege. They love to show people getting baned or trolled in the distance, or talking about crimes committed in the off-topic while sitting around the ivory tower but never take a trip to the places where the important stuff actually happens, like to eBay where there are nothing but terrible auctions, or a neighborhood full of self-appointed Zimmerman's patrolling the streets with their guns no you just get a view from the ivory tower with our broken computers.

These factors i'm mentioning may seem unrelated but really they are, they stem from a nihilistic worldview, a world view where their are just Bronies and Nazis, where the only morality debate is between a MOD who says "trolling is bad", and a criminal who says "but other people troll besides me so i'm not bad. Its same outlook where that led whembly to create the Benghazi thread a much better thread but one that still showcased the aweful things Republicans have said in the past. That's the problem with the Games Workshop Price Hikes, it doesn't encourage player loyalty, it encourages people to say "GW sucks

[/Dakka Bingo]

 d-usa wrote:
I sometimes hate DakkaDakka.

Anyone else feel the same, I think what I hate most is hearing people argue about whether Finecast is the greatest product ever made or if people would have better results just doing their own 3D printing. I say neither, its just a bad attempt at a thread that we might think is a strawmen when we read it, we all saw it as nerds with the expectation that this would be a great deal on kitchen cabinets so the expectation influenced us to like it.

Its horrible quality. You can't sympathize with any of the posts on DakkaDakka because the points all seem to be nothing but IP lawyering. The only two points that seem remotely realistic are the "we need more kickstarters" and the "we need to put all the kickstarters and put them in their own forum" in the nuts and bolt section, other than that the thread concentrates on "I have an opinion, but other people have other opinion". I hate most people's opinions, as far as I was concerned they just make weird post, his dad never wanted to watch the liberal media talk about things, then his dad gets Obamacare and his wife gets a Razorgor and he goes through a crappy transformation to become an Off-Topic poster. I know people who have gone through far worse in their lives without really changing who they are so it's really the victim's fault that all this happened. . Unlike others who hate this thread because they think it blames the victim I don't have the need to do worry about that because that sort of sexism doesn't affect me.

I also hate the way its sanitized please note this is different that glorified or someone making a justification for online opinions. This is mainly why people think it sugarcoats the Off-Topic but the reasons is more because posters believe that he were pushing the envelope enough by making a thread about our spiritual liege. They love to show people getting baned or trolled in the distance, or talking about crimes committed in the off-topic while sitting around the ivory tower but never take a trip to the places where the important stuff actually happens, like to eBay where there are nothing but terrible auctions, or a neighborhood full of self-appointed Zimmerman's patrolling the streets with their guns no you just get a view from the ivory tower with our broken computers.

These factors i'm mentioning may seem unrelated but really they are, they stem from a nihilistic worldview, a world view where their are just Bronies and Nazis, where the only morality debate is between a MOD who says "trolling is bad", and a criminal who says "but other people troll besides me so i'm not bad. Its same outlook where that led whembly to create the Benghazi thread a much better thread but one that still showcased the aweful things Republicans have said in the past. That's the problem with the Games Workshop Price Hikes, it doesn't encourage player loyalty, it encourages people to say "GW sucks

[/Dakka Bingo]

Of course, I'm only half here for the lulz.

I've never seen any of the Godfather films, myself.

I own the Coppola Remastered Blu Ray set. I also own the Apocalypse Now/Hearts of Darkness Blu Ray set as well.

More of a goodfella's guy myself...

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
More of a goodfella's guy myself...

I've probably watched that and Casino about 50 times each.

 Ouze wrote:

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
More of a goodfella's guy myself...

I've probably watched that and Casino about 50 times each.

I read about a gag where some friends were watching Goodfellas, and when the one who had never seen it before left to go to the restroom they swapped it out for Casino and waited to see how long it took for him to notice.

Scarface>Goodfellas>Sopranos>Godfather>Casino/Carlito's Way/DonnieBrasco/the rest of the wiseguys movies.

feeder wrote:
Scarface>Goodfellas>Sopranos>Godfather>Casino/Carlito's Way/DonnieBrasco/the rest of the wiseguys movies.

Honestly man, outside a very small amount of scenes, I found Scarface (the Pacino one) horribly boring.

Personally, Godfather 1/2 are some of the best mafia movies out there. Followed by Goodfellas and probably Donnie Brasco for me. Then perhaps The Departed (it's boston mob, not italian mafia, but still)

I sometimes hate DakkaDakka.

Anyone else feel the same, I think what I hate most is hearing people argue about whether Finecast is the greatest product ever made or if people would have better results just doing their own 3D printing. I say neither, its just a bad attempt at a thread that we might think is a strawmen when we read it, we all saw it as nerds with the expectation that this would be a great deal on kitchen cabinets so the expectation influenced us to like it.

Its horrible quality. You can't sympathize with any of the posts on DakkaDakka because the points all seem to be nothing but IP lawyering. The only two points that seem remotely realistic are the "we need more kickstarters" and the "we need to put all the kickstarters and put them in their own forum" in the nuts and bolt section, other than that the thread concentrates on "I have an opinion, but other people have other opinion". I hate most people's opinions, as far as I was concerned they just make weird post, his dad never wanted to watch the liberal media talk about things, then his dad gets Obamacare and his wife gets a Razorgor and he goes through a crappy transformation to become an Off-Topic poster. I know people who have gone through far worse in their lives without really changing who they are so it's really the victim's fault that all this happened. . Unlike others who hate this thread because they think it blames the victim I don't have the need to do worry about that because that sort of sexism doesn't affect me.

I also hate the way its sanitized please note this is different that glorified or someone making a justification for online opinions. This is mainly why people think it sugarcoats the Off-Topic but the reasons is more because posters believe that he were pushing the envelope enough by making a thread about our spiritual liege. They love to show people getting baned or trolled in the distance, or talking about crimes committed in the off-topic while sitting around the ivory tower but never take a trip to the places where the important stuff actually happens, like to eBay where there are nothing but terrible auctions, or a neighborhood full of self-appointed Zimmerman's patrolling the streets with their guns no you just get a view from the ivory tower with our broken computers.

These factors i'm mentioning may seem unrelated but really they are, they stem from a nihilistic worldview, a world view where their are just Bronies and Nazis, where the only morality debate is between a MOD who says "trolling is bad", and a criminal who says "but other people troll besides me so i'm not bad. Its same outlook where that led whembly to create the Benghazi thread a much better thread but one that still showcased the aweful things Republicans have said in the past. That's the problem with the Games Workshop Price Hikes, it doesn't encourage player loyalty, it encourages people to say "GW sucks

[/Dakka Bingo]

You just described the internet.

On a side note I think the best Mafia movie is Goodfellas.

Goodfella's and the godfather are great look into the whole Cosa Nostra "lifestyle".

Godfather is a nice piece of pure fiction, Goodfellas is a niece piece of reality with artistic license

Ironclad Warlord wrote:
I know people who have gone through far worse in their lives without really changing who they are. Unlike others who hate this because they think it excuses the characters in the film I hate it because it doesn't make any sense.

I think you've only seen the surface of Michael's character. He was an war hero, and became a mafia Don, but who he was changed not at all. He was always smart, ruthless and utterly loyal to his family. His place in the family changed, but personally he changed very little. The really powerful thing to understand, both through this film and it's sequels, is that his transformation was inevitable, that legitimacy was a dream (either Vito's dream that Michael would move away from the family and become a senator or Michael's dream that he could move the family business in to a legitimate one) - the sins of the father would be passed down, generation to generation.

the sins of the father would be passed down, generation to generation.

Maybe that's why I hate the movie, the whole sins of the father stuff, maybe that's why Christianity and religion has always rubbed me the wrong way. If you inheret the sins of your father, or worse his father his fathers father then screwed beyond belief.

I already covered religion bashing on the Dakka Bingo card...

It's kind of true though. The entire generation that fought WWII was mostly born after WWI ended, but WWII being a direct result of a poor outcome of WWI, they all paid the price for the failings of those who came before them.

Of course, sins of the father as a principle tends to be cast as mostly negative but the principle itself can also be positive. Most African Americans today did little to fight for their civil rights, rather their fathers and grandfathers fought that battle for them so that today they don't have to fight it (at least not as hard).

The world we live in is shaped by those who came before us.

Ironclad Warlord wrote:
Maybe that's why I hate the movie, the whole sins of the father stuff, maybe that's why Christianity and religion has always rubbed me the wrong way. If you inheret the sins of your father, or worse his father his fathers father then screwed beyond belief.

Sure, the sins of the father is something that works powerfully in literature but is not actually that much of a thing in real life. That's kind of how drama works, though, we like to see choices made by characters coming back to affect them later in their lives, or even in the lives of their children, when in reality we do all kinds of bad stuff and then just move on and think nothing of it, it doesn't impact us let alone our kids.

It's like how Romeo and Juliet is a powerful tragedy... but if you heard of kids trying a scheme like that in real life you'd had no sympathy for those stupid idiots.

I both hate and love the film. First is its length and what sometimes feels like padding unless you know what is going to happen. I naturally have a hard time distinguishing Characters, so it was difficult for me to fiqure out who was who.
But I love it, the story is amazing. The director did not sanitize it. HE used the concept of loyalty to an established orginization can corrupt a man. Hell that was one of the main driving point in a paper I wrote comparing it to Apocalypse now. Micheal goes from someone who aphors the family business, but loyalty to his family forces him to become like them. If you pay attention, it isnt sanitized.

I've tried watching, it took me a full 15 minutes to fall asleep. Mafia movies bore me to tears.

Lord of the rings has that same effect on me ^.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Goodfella's and the godfather are great look into the whole Cosa Nostra "lifestyle".

That's probably what made the Godfather so notable in the first place.

I read the book before I saw the movie (it was recommended for a Poly Sci course, as an intro to 'traditional' cultures) and I was surprised at how crass and pulpy it was. There was a lot of interesting material in the book, but it was mixed into an airport thriller story with pedestrian prose and by-the-numbers characterization. There were whole chapters about Sonny's girlfriend's vajayjay or Hollywood kid-diddlers. But apparantly it just needed one hell of an editor, because that's basically what the movie is. The movie is less than half of the novel, not even all of the good parts (some of which went into part 2), with a focus on what works--the background and the archetypes for the characters. The director added a lot of dramatic weight. At the time, it was ground breaking for its content, acting and directing. The movie still holds up quite well in my opinion, but having seen a lot of the films that came after it and built on its success, I find The Godfather doesn't feel particularly powerful, like it must have back in the day.

I hated Apocalypse Now. I've watched it at least six times, including Coppola's extended version, and his Commentary. It lacks any sort of structure or real plot. It's just little bits of action and "cool" tucked into a half-baked psychedelic film that really has no deep meaning at all. Even Coppola himself doesn't know how it all ended up working. The fact that people like it regardless shows how stupid they are, or how well he managed to edit it to make it actually coherent.

The Godfather was good, although I haven't seen it in about ten years. I'd probably hate it if I watched it again.

 Soladrin wrote:
I've tried watching, it took me a full 15 minutes to fall asleep. Mafia movies bore me to tears.

This...
#DakkaBingo

 LordofHats wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I sometimes hate DakkaDakka.

Anyone else feel the same, I think what I hate most is hearing people argue about whether Finecast is the greatest product ever made or if people would have better results just doing their own 3D printing. I say neither, its just a bad attempt at a thread that we might think is a strawmen when we read it, we all saw it as nerds with the expectation that this would be a great deal on kitchen cabinets so the expectation influenced us to like it.

Its horrible quality. You can't sympathize with any of the posts on DakkaDakka because the points all seem to be nothing but IP lawyering. The only two points that seem remotely realistic are the "we need more kickstarters" and the "we need to put all the kickstarters and put them in their own forum" in the nuts and bolt section, other than that the thread concentrates on "I have an opinion, but other people have other opinion". I hate most people's opinions, as far as I was concerned they just make weird post, his dad never wanted to watch the liberal media talk about things, then his dad gets Obamacare and his wife gets a Razorgor and he goes through a crappy transformation to become an Off-Topic poster. I know people who have gone through far worse in their lives without really changing who they are so it's really the victim's fault that all this happened. . Unlike others who hate this thread because they think it blames the victim I don't have the need to do worry about that because that sort of sexism doesn't affect me.

I also hate the way its sanitized please note this is different that glorified or someone making a justification for online opinions. This is mainly why people think it sugarcoats the Off-Topic but the reasons is more because posters believe that he were pushing the envelope enough by making a thread about our spiritual liege. They love to show people getting baned or trolled in the distance, or talking about crimes committed in the off-topic while sitting around the ivory tower but never take a trip to the places where the important stuff actually happens, like to eBay where there are nothing but terrible auctions, or a neighborhood full of self-appointed Zimmerman's patrolling the streets with their guns no you just get a view from the ivory tower with our broken computers.

These factors i'm mentioning may seem unrelated but really they are, they stem from a nihilistic worldview, a world view where their are just Bronies and Nazis, where the only morality debate is between a MOD who says "trolling is bad", and a criminal who says "but other people troll besides me so i'm not bad. Its same outlook where that led whembly to create the Benghazi thread a much better thread but one that still showcased the aweful things Republicans have said in the past. That's the problem with the Games Workshop Price Hikes, it doesn't encourage player loyalty, it encourages people to say "GW sucks

[/Dakka Bingo]

Of course, I'm only half here for the lulz.

I lolled.