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No doubt - I'll trade our store copy for 2 Wyverns!

What book?

That book? The one which masquerades as an entire 'army' with only three unit choices and that feels like its missing entire sections?

The Militarum Tempestus has been a disappointment for me- as a replacement to the stormtroopers, their cool. As a full army on their own, they are beyond crap.

I don't think anyone would miss it if the codex vanished forever.

It could potentially have worked as a full codex. - Depending on how interchangeable the parts are with Cadians.

Stormtrooper Heavy Weapon Platoons in Heavy Support. Ditto for Special Weapons in Elites.

A stormtrooper squad with more different deployment options (a bit like the last IG codex) in Fast Attack.

A codex could be fleshed out more, without introducing a need for more models.

 Mysterious Pants wrote:
What book?
That book? The one which masquerades as an entire 'army' with only three unit choices and that feels like its missing entire sections?

Hey, it's much better than the "full" "Legion of the Damned" Codex with just ONE unit and rules that let you auto-lose after round 1 before putting any miniature on the table

As usual Faet is full of "it".

Yeah, the Codex Militarum Tempestus sold out the first run. Within a few days GW had more back up for sale on their website. That was like a week ago.

It's still available now in the US. There's also an i-book interactive version.

So limited edition? Hardly. It's just that GW does smaller print runs on things that are direct order only so they don't get stuck with a billion of them if it doesn't sell well. If it does sell well, as in this case, they order another run when it's needed.

Back in stock in Oz.

[EDIT]: My mistake. I was on the US site. Not even listed on the Oz site any longer.

Then this looks like a sign of GW cutting their production runs rather than an unannounced "limited edition".

GW's half year report showed a significant reduction in spending on production. This could of course reflect greatly reduced manufacturing costs; Realistically, though, a lot of it must be due to smaller orders.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Back in stock in Oz.

[EDIT]: My mistake. I was on the US site. Not even listed on the Oz site any longer.

One downside to the new GW site is that the country is part of the URL, so every time you click on a link someone has posted to the GW site, you go to that country's site... and then it remembers. It seems like almost every time I go to the GW site I have to reset it back to Australia.

During third edition GW released supplemental codecies like Catachans or Craftworld Eldar were thin paperbacks for £4. Now it seems GW are willing to print even less content in a hardback book padded out with photos and sell it for £30. And people are willing to buy it as they're selling out fast, so why should they change their approach? They only made a few plastic kits and once the fuss is over in a few months they'll all be seldom seen direct-only models.

I think GW want to do short releases that completely sell out, no long term production and sales, unless they're space marines, as it saves on storage cost and you don't have money tied up in stock which could take months or years to sell.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Now it seems GW are willing to print even less content in a hardback book padded out with photos and sell it for £30. And people are willing to buy it as they're selling out fast, so why should they change their approach?

This ^

Running with what works, not what makes sense.

 Mysterious Pants wrote:
What book?

That book? The one which masquerades as an entire 'army' with only three unit choices and that feels like its missing entire sections?

The Militarum Tempestus has been a disappointment for me- as a replacement to the stormtroopers, their cool. As a full army on their own, they are beyond crap.

I don't think anyone would miss it if the codex vanished forever.

It's not this codex in particular that's bothering a lot of folk, it's the information that non-iPad digital content will be a low-priority tertiary concern for GW going forward, and that this fact combined with limited availability of these lower volume products in physical format, if it becomes a trend, would make iPad ownership mandatory to utilise all of GW's rules content legally.

BrassScorpion wrote:As usual Faet is full of "it".

Yeah, the Codex Militarum Tempestus sold out the first run. Within a few days GW had more back up for sale on their website. That was like a week ago.

It's still available now in the US. There's also an i-book interactive version.

So limited edition? Hardly. It's just that GW does smaller print runs on things that are direct order only so they don't get stuck with a billion of them if it doesn't sell well. If it does sell well, as in this case, they order another run when it's needed.

So did you not even bother to read the first post? Or do you just like to insult Dakka members as full of "it"?
Here the full quote of the relevant post:

 steve1 wrote:
I was the person who submitted the intital information to Natfka.

I ordered mine monday of last week no problem.

On Wednesday in my local GW someone came in and asked to order it. The manager tried to add it to the basket via the order point but was prompted with "no longer available" so he rang up GW to see if it was a site error.

He was then told that the item was limited edition and it was no longer available. This was the first he at the store had heard of it and was quite angry about it. Turns out most store managers had no idea it was Ltd Edition and where only told it was if they specifically asked GW.

Since this was posted on Naftka various other sources have been in contact with customer services to be told the exact same thing.

Kilkrazy wrote:Then this looks like a sign of GW cutting their production runs rather than an unannounced "limited edition".

GW's half year report showed a significant reduction in spending on production. This could of course reflect greatly reduced manufacturing costs; Realistically, though, a lot of it must be due to smaller orders.

GW managers found a new exciting and unforeseen way to save costs: Produce less products! Pure genius! And if revenue goes down again, they can compensate by producing even less!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Back in stock in Oz.

[EDIT]: My mistake. I was on the US site. Not even listed on the Oz site any longer.

It wouldn't be the first time, but I wonder if GW simply diverted stock from other countries to the US, which would explain disappearing listings for some countries and a restock here.

 Kroothawk wrote:

GW managers found a new exciting and unforeseen way to save costs: Produce less products! Pure genius! And if revenue goes down again, they can compensate by producing even less!

Well, reducing wasteage by not ordering larger production runs than you can comfortably sell is hardly "new" or "exciting". It's pretty fething basic. The second thing you said is just gibberish.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
So, no more printed MT book, and no non-iPad versions of it either. It's like GW is cutting costs so much that they don't even want to sell product at all.

I do have to wonder: If GW is trying to cut costs so much, why are they bothering with the fancy iPad versions with the bells and whistles? Surely it costs GW a lot less to whomp up a standard ereader version that can then be sold to EVERYBODY, regardless of platform.
Sure, most of the time I prefer the paper version for gaming, but when it's a book I already know well enough I don't need to reference much more than a summary page most of the time, then I like having it on my Kindle Fire HD.

Actually, no it isn't. I've produced a few ebooks, and whatever your feelings about apple, their iBooks Author software is astonishingly good, and makes whipping up an iPad friendly interactive book an utter doddle. I reckon that if I had the copy written, and any pics or vids already taken, I could put together a mini-dex in 2-3 hours. Their software does the hard part automatically. Formatting for kindle is the complete opposite, getting it to format correctly takes a huge amount of cocking about, uploading to their site, then downloading to a device to test, making adjustments and then repeating the process until perfect. ePub is a little easier, but can have its issues too, and generally requires a very expensive copy of Adobe indesign, along with someone trained to use it. A hamster could probably put together an iBook.

The only reason to own the codex is to create a primary army of storm troopers right?

So you can, if you want but an army for $800.

Not a good deal in my eyes. I wouldn't start this army and at that price I doubt too many people would either.

They probably wanted to see how it would do on sales. Since the taurox wasn't a big seller and 5 itty bitty models for $35 wasn't so popular either they decided to stop production.

They're probably in desperation mode right now. Next thing you know they might put out a way over priced set of modeling tools.

 Bull0 wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

GW managers found a new exciting and unforeseen way to save costs: Produce less products! Pure genius! And if revenue goes down again, they can compensate by producing even less!

Well, reducing wasteage by not ordering larger production runs than you can comfortably sell is hardly "new" or "exciting". It's pretty fething basic. The second thing you said is just gibberish.

I imagine that GW thought the same as many of us did. Some people will but the Tempestus book, but most will just get the IG book a week later which includes all the Tempestus stuff minus a couple orders and warlord traits. So they only produced a small amount of the MT codex, not expecting as many people to buy it for $50 as did.

Another book along the lines of legion of the damned and knights, just laughable money grabs.

I dunno. I sorta like my LotD "codex".

You gotta wonder what kind of person buys this.

GW still has no concept of how to dig itself out of a hole both monetarily and reputationally. They shoot themselves in the foot by upping the cost of a codex followed by limited the run of the codex. Wasn't the whole point to gouge the fan-base? How can they do that when they limited the release so those who still want it cannot get it?

I used to work on demand planning for a publisher and my guess, GUESS, is GW had much higher demand than they expected.

Which is what happens when you don't advertise or take pre-orders, every launch becomes a shot in the dark.

This leaves them in an uncomfortable spot, they can do a second printing but generally 90% (or more) of a book's sales are going to be in the first month or two, after that it's a sharp sharp drop and long tail heading towards zero.

And since Codex Stormicus Trooperus is really just a supplement for Codex Guardus Imperalis that number will head towards zero a lot faster than say Codex Orks.

So they go from (let's say) 10k copies that sell out in weeks to having to make (let's say) 2k for a minimum print run that will sell out in years.

Now the logical thing would be to move to print on demand (which means a much higher unit cost, let's say $100) or ebooks which solve all their problems.

Why they're not moving ahead on an ebook probably has to do with a lack of faith in the book's long term prospects now that Codex Spacicus Milartarius is out.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Why they're not moving ahead on an ebook probably has to do with a lack of faith in the book's long term prospects now that Codex Spacicus Milartarius is out.

They certainly did everything in their power to make the long-term prospects of the Tempestus look slim. This is an army I've always wanted, and the book is probably the worst book I've ever seen GW produce, in almost every arena. Lame rules, incomplete FOC, awful fluff, and atrocious/non-existent proof-reading and editing.

I wanted this book to be awesome so much, and yet everything about it screams "this is a short-term cashgrab we let the intern write a week before sending it to the printers, in a really hamfisted and obvious attempt to push just the 3 new kits we're releasing at the same time".

I mean, the thing doesn't even allow for Chimeras...

In a way, it feels like they went *out of their way* to make it as lame a release as possible.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
It'll simply encourage people to circulate pdf copies and print offs and not feel bad about it. GW is a bit short of good will at the moment.

This. I used to buy all of the books and had almost every issue of WD from issue 98 with only a smallish gap when I fell off during the tail end of RT until the release of 2nd Edition 40k - from which point I didn't miss an issue on over 10 years (even if I hadn't read many of them from the last few years). These days, 40k is a bit of a clusterfeth of rules randomly found anywhere and everywhere. I've still got a lot of the books, but I'm not willing to buy each and every book and supplement for the prices being asked, nor am I close enough to a store to pick up every WD.




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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Back in stock in Oz.

[EDIT]: My mistake. I was on the US site. Not even listed on the Oz site any longer.

One downside to the new GW site is that the country is part of the URL, so every time you click on a link someone has posted to the GW site, you go to that country's site... and then it remembers. It seems like almost every time I go to the GW site I have to reset it back to Australia.

I mostly use their site to check out US prices.

 Eggs wrote:
A hamster could probably put together an iBook.

Apparently, hamsters are all GW has left to work with.

 Vaktathi wrote:
They certainly did everything in their power to make the long-term prospects of the Tempestus look slim. This is an army I've always wanted, and the book is probably the worst book I've ever seen GW produce, in almost every arena. Lame rules, incomplete FOC, awful fluff, and atrocious/non-existent proof-reading and editing.

I wanted this book to be awesome so much, and yet everything about it screams "this is a short-term cashgrab we let the intern write a week before sending it to the printers, in a really hamfisted and obvious attempt to push just the 3 new kits we're releasing at the same time".

I mean, the thing doesn't even allow for Chimeras...

In a way, it feels like they went *out of their way* to make it as lame a release as possible.

Out of curiosity... what's the third kit? I know they have access to stormtroopers and the taurox but do they also get lots of ogryn?

The new plastic commissar blister.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
What proportion of the tablet market is iPad rather than Surface or the various Android based units?

I think it's about 50/50, but with android outselling ipad. But then you also have to ask what proportion of the wargaming community doesn't own a tablet in the first place.

I don't and had no plans to get one....................

This. I used to buy all of the books and had almost every issue of WD from issue 98 with only a smallish gap when I fell off during the tail end of RT until the release of 2nd Edition 40k - from which point I didn't miss an issue on over 10 years (even if I hadn't read many of them from the last few years). These days, 40k is a bit of a clusterfeth of rules randomly found anywhere and everywhere. I've still got a lot of the books, but I'm not willing to buy each and every book and supplement for the prices being asked, nor am I close enough to a store to pick up every WD.

Same here- everything up to 6th including FW but there is too much stuff now at too high a price. Initially I was really pleased they were rattling through the codex updates but now they are just splitting them up into supplements, formations and data slates - I can't be bothered most of the time.

 Harriticus wrote:
You gotta wonder what kind of person buys this.

I bought it, and am 100% satisfied with my purchase. You mad?

Well, reducing wasteage by not ordering larger production runs than you can comfortably sell is hardly "new" or "exciting". It's pretty fething basic. The second thing you said is just gibberish.

QFT.

Johnnytorrance wrote:
The only reason to own the codex is to create a primary army of storm troopers right?

So you can, if you want but an army for $800.

Not a good deal in my eyes. I wouldn't start this army and at that price I doubt too many people would either.

They probably wanted to see how it would do on sales. Since the taurox wasn't a big seller and 5 itty bitty models for $35 wasn't so popular either they decided to stop production.

Nobody is telling you that you have to and based on how fast the book sold out it seems many people do like it.

I wonder where you are getting your information on the Taurox and Scions from, I had to trail around three of my local GWs last week as the Scions sold out. They have been hugely popular and tbh are the only new releases I have seen in a while to be so popular. Sure £21 is pricey for 5 models but if someone is happy to pay that for the 5 awesome models with the ridiculous amount of options and extras then thats great and obviously people are. As for the Taurox I see a lot of positivity towards it, it just so happens the complainers are often a lot louder and more vocal.

People always seem to bitch about everything GW does, hell if they invented a cure for cancer people would complain it was too overpriced or its too cheesy.

At the end of the day I like the new MT codex. I found the fluff interesting, the colour schemes and info on each regiment useful and the rules more than suitable for my purpose. I plan on running them along side the Inquisitor codex for a Inquisitorial regiment. The models themselves are an absolute delight to put together and paint and they look amazing.