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Hated the Nolen films with a vengeance - looking forward to seeing if this one works for me - not seen anyhting yet match the first Michael Keaton film.

Man of Steel was ok but not a patch on the Marvel films like Avengers, Cap A 2 or Thor 2..... if they actually can match that level of quality DC will be redemed for me.

What exactly did you hate about the Nolan films? Just curious, you're the second person I've ever met who's told me they hated them.

 -Shrike- wrote:
What exactly did you hate about the Nolan films? Just curious, you're the second person I've ever met who's told me they hated them.

Length of the films - usually about an hour more than needed
plot - lack of it - either set peices or all about the Mary Sue Joker who can predict every single thing anyone is ever going to do.
Dull overused plots like - lets learn to be a super ninja in 6 weeks AND be better than any other ninja
Lack of humour in the film in general
Lack of anyone to actually give a damn about
Lack of any "heart"

Otherwise they were fine The first film has some good elements - the Scarecrow was good, Michael Caine is good, the second is just dire, did not bother with third - where apparently Nolan gave up any sembalance of a coherent plot.

I also hated Inception................kind of a theme and for much the same reasons

I generally regard people who hate the Nolan Batman movies as "crackpots" and "whackjobs".

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I generally regard people who hate the Nolan Batman movies as "crackpots" and "whackjobs".

or just not impressed by crap

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I generally regard people who hate the Nolan Batman movies as "crackpots" and "whackjobs".

And you would be right to do so, probably even deserving of a medal.

Beyond

Speaking of the word Beyond, am I the only one who can totally get behind a Batman Beyond film?


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 Ahtman wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I generally regard people who hate the Nolan Batman movies as "crackpots" and "whackjobs".

And you would be right to do so, probably even deserving of a medal.

Too many confuse their ability to like a movie with how good that film is. I get that the Nolan films were what many people wanted from Batman, but to take that sense of disappointed "not what I wanted" and declare them bad is certainly whackjob territory

 LordofHats wrote:

Beyond

Speaking of the word Beyond, am I the only one who can totally get behind a Batman Beyond film?

I know I would have zero interest in it, but I think there are a few fans out there. I mean, obliviously there are people with bad taste in media, such as those that hate the Nolan Batman films, so anything is possible.


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 LordofHats wrote:
Too many confuse their ability to like a movie with how good that film is. I get that the Nolan films were what many people wanted from Batman, but to take that sense of disappointed "not what I wanted" and declare them bad is certainly whackjob territory

I just like to give out medals. Usually they are made from bottle caps. I don't think the Nolan films were the best thing ever, but to call them crap is certainly deserving of a little friendly ribbing.

 Ahtman wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

Beyond

Speaking of the word Beyond, am I the only one who can totally get behind a Batman Beyond film?

I know I would have zero interest in it, but I think there are a few fans out there. I mean, obliviously there are people with bad taste in media, such as those that hate the Nolan Batman films, so anything is possible.

Hey - lets all have the same opinion as you FFS - obviously that would be a better world - narrow minded much.

 Ahtman wrote:

I know I would have zero interest in it, but I think there are a few fans out there. I mean, obliviously there are people with bad taste in media, such as those that hate the Nolan Batman films, so anything is possible.

My fanhood. Tis wounded

I loved Beyond, maybe more than was really warranted (Justice League kind of mucked it up with that contrived "btw Terry your a Bruce Wayne clone via contrived scheme" moment) but I really liked that series XD

 Mr Morden wrote:
Hey - lets all have the same opinion as you FFS - obviously that would be a better world

Well obliviously

 Mr Morden wrote:
- narrow minded much.

Not sure getting bent out of shape because others express an opinion different than yours is the best time to get all riled up because their opinion doesn't line up with yours. I feel like there must be a word for when someone does what they are mad at others for doing.


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 LordofHats wrote:
I loved Beyond, maybe more than was really warranted (Justice League kind of mucked it up with that contrived "btw Terry your a Bruce Wayne clone via contrived scheme" moment) but I really liked that series XD

I know a lot of people (I was tempted to spell it alot just for the attention) that really like it, but it never clicked with me. Still, lets be honest. If they released a Batman Beyond film I would go see it because Batman.

I know a lot of people (I was tempted to spell it alot just for the attention) that really like it, but it never clicked with me. Still, lets be honest. If they released a Batman Beyond film I would go see it because Batman.

While I think it could make a good film (and a cool change of pace from the normal batty flare) my fear would be that Terry would be cast as "annoying punk kid" and that he'd never be fleshed out on screen which would just make him annoying. And that they'd fail to accurately portray a version of Bruce so worn down and beat from his endless crusade that he's basically given up without him looked wangsty.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

Beyond

Speaking of the word Beyond, am I the only one who can totally get behind a Batman Beyond film?

I know I would have zero interest in it, but I think there are a few fans out there. I mean, obliviously there are people with bad taste in media, such as those that hate the Nolan Batman films, so anything is possible.

Hey - lets all have the same opinion as you FFS - obviously that would be a better world - narrow minded much.

We get it...Nolan's version of Batman slept with your mommy. Guess you either be angsty or you can call him daddy now.

Mr Morden wrote:Hated the Nolen films with a vengeance - looking forward to seeing if this one works for me - not seen anyhting yet match the first Michael Keaton film.

Man of Steel was ok but not a patch on the Marvel films like Avengers, Cap A 2 or Thor 2..... if they actually can match that level of quality DC will be redemed for me.

What about the second Michael Keaton film ?

Also, man did I ever hate man of steel. Who the feth thinks it's cool to repeatedly break the sound barrier while accelerating? What does that even mean? Are there secret sound barriers that only aliens can break?

Mr Morden wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
What exactly did you hate about the Nolan films? Just curious, you're the second person I've ever met who's told me they hated them.

Length of the films - usually about an hour more than needed
plot - lack of it - either set peices or all about the Mary Sue Joker who can predict every single thing anyone is ever going to do.
Dull overused plots like - lets learn to be a super ninja in 6 weeks AND be better than any other ninja
Lack of humour in the film in general
Lack of anyone to actually give a damn about
Lack of any "heart"

Otherwise they were fine The first film has some good elements - the Scarecrow was good, Michael Caine is good, the second is just dire, did not bother with third - where apparently Nolan gave up any sembalance of a coherent plot.

I also hated Inception................kind of a theme and for much the same reasons

I cared about Gordon. Buy yeah, they weren't very good. I was able to forgive the joker plot for the good performance, and yeah, Scarecrow was well done-again, mostly due to the performance. Can't agree on michael caine: he mostly sounded bored in the second movie, waiting for his pay check.

And yeah, Inception was pretty terrible, and directly ripping off some fairly famous stuff (but dumber), like Paprika. They managed to take a story about something composed of imagination and illogic, and make it about rules and conventional fights.

 Mr Morden wrote:
plot - lack of it - either set peices or all about the Mary Sue Joker who can predict every single thing anyone is ever going to do.

Misuse of Mary Sue and obviously Dark knight we be a much better film if we had a non-powerful and non-intelligent villain that would feth over the dramatic tension in the film, that's what makes for good movie watching entertainment.

Dull overused plots like - lets learn to be a super ninja in 6 weeks AND be better than any other ninja

You completely missed the point it wasn't about being better than the ninjas Bruce Wayne didn't believe in killing others or the destruction of Gotham so he destroyed the ninja place out of moral disagreement and later becomes "Batman" in hopes of improving Gotham.

Lack of humour in the film in general

Not all superhero movies have to be comedic.

Lack of anyone to actually give a damn about

I felt bad for Harvey Dent, Rachel, the citizens, I was impressed by the Heath Ledger's performance as "the Joker", thought that Alfred and Lucius made good "sage" characters, etc but whatever I can't force you to like the characters.

Lack of any "heart"

This is such a vague term I don't even know what you're trying to say.

So the Joker was not completely infallible and could predict every possible combination of actions like some kind of supercomputer but was also supposed to be an anarchist – which he wasn’t. Heath Ledger played him well with what he was given but that wasn’t much.

No you missed my point – the ninjas stupid plot was stupid and the fact remains that Bruce travelled to Tibet (where all the ninjas are for some more stupid reason) and in a Team America Montage proves the best of the best of the best who none could stand against – such a mighty westerner he was and so weak were they.

They then, being silly Ninjas ignored him for years and continued with their bizarre lets randomly burn a city now and then and “change the world” in due course.

Not all superhero movies need to have a decent plot but they are better with them – same with humour, hence why Avengers and most other Marvel films are so much better than Batman ones in all possible respects.

The “characters” you list, for me, were so dimly sketched that they did not really exist except to be killed in an desperate attempt to try and have some emotional impact or “heart”.

Apart from Batmans sorta girlfriend – although there was zero chemistry there -What citizens of Gotham did the Joker kill – he offed some gangsters and blew up an empty hospital but very few others. Jack N Joker was much more scary – he killed an entire museum full of people just on a whim to see Vicki Vale.

I get that you all love and worship Nolan and whish you luck with it – I was asked why I did not like the films and said so…………

thanks for the contempt expressed about expressing an opinion but you are all obviously much better people than I so I won't trouble you in this thread any longer. Enjoy yourselves

Best be careful Cadaver - you are expressing Heresy by daring to critise the blessed Nolan - but yes I agree with all you said and oh I totally agree that Batman Returns was not good at all - Michelle Pfeiffer yes but terrible mixed up plot...........

Mr Morden isn't actually alone in this, I frequent a lot of comic fan sites and it is an opinion I see again and again.

A lot of comic fans think he did an awful job, totally missed Joker's character and made a sub par Gotham which is embarrassing to watch.

This Batman looks better, as in overall look... but with Nolan at the helm I am not that optimistic. Man of Steel was terrible... the destruction to Metropolis alone beggars belief, he is literally the worst version of Supes I've seen so far on screen and that's made all the worse because I had a fair bit of hope from the trailer when it was released the year before that he was going to be the best.

As Someone noted on Facebook a while back, Nolan is so obsessed on the gritty, he has forgotten to make the movies fun to watch.

 LuciusAR wrote:
That suit is straight out of Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns. It's quite refreshing to see a Batsuit that isn't complete black.

Nothing bad about that. From what few scenes I've seen it's darker and more disturbing than the current batman we have now.

Shown clip of the first youtube video is a little graphic but both clips are kind of graphic.

 Mr Morden wrote:
So the Joker was not completely infallible and could predict every possible combination of actions like some kind of supercomputer but was also supposed to be an anarchist – which he wasn’t. Heath Ledger played him well with what he was given but that wasn’t much.

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I never got the sense that the Joker could predict every possible combination of actions. Seems like he often had to improvise in the movie.

No you missed my point – the ninjas stupid plot was stupid and the fact remains that Bruce travelled to Tibet (where all the ninjas are for some more stupid reason)

He traveled all over the world, for many years, in many weird places.

and in a Team America Montage proves the best of the best of the best who none could stand against – such a mighty westerner he was and so weak were they.

He had been fighting for quite a while. It doesn't seem like he learned to fight in that montage, he simply got better with his technique. He didn't fight them as much as burn their place dowm.

They then, being silly Ninjas ignored him for years and continued with their bizarre lets randomly burn a city now and then and “change the world” in due course.

Their plan was to change the world, not to kill him. It would be dumber for them to ignore the history of everything they have done for the entire time that they existed to kill a single man. Bruce Wayne was no threat to them.

Not all superhero movies need to have a decent plot but they are better with them – same with humour, hence why Avengers and most other Marvel films are so much better than Batman ones in all possible respects.

No argument there, although I think the Batman movies were okay without humor. Batman was never a "funny" superhero in my opinion.

Apart from Batmans sorta girlfriend – although there was zero chemistry there -What citizens of Gotham did the Joker kill – he offed some gangsters and blew up an empty hospital but very few others.

Well: every person helping him rob the bank, bank manager, then some mobsters of course, fake Batman, more mobsters, a judge, the police commisioner, two more people that had a name similar to Harvey Dent, lots of cops during the chase scene, belly-phone g uy, burned Lau on top of a giant pile of money, and was in the process of blowing up two ships when he was stopped.

I get that you don't like it, but the reasons are just...weird.

such a mighty westerner he was and so weak were they

Well his mentor was a westerner, and so were many of the other members of the League of Shadows; it wasn't one white guy and a bunch of Asians.

 Mr Morden wrote:


Man of Steel was ok but not a patch on the Marvel films like Avengers, Cap A 2 or Thor 2..... if they actually can match that level of quality DC will be redemed for me.

I`ve only seen it once but while I agree MoS was not up to TDW or Avengers level, I would put it alongside Cap 1, Thor, and maybe not IM 1 but certainly better than 2 and 3. Yes, there is some silliness, but these are comic-book characters where realism has to give way to coolness or the whole point is lost.

Batman is supposed to be dark, not humorous. Yes, we got humor with Adam West, but it was a campy romp through Gotham. Typically, outside of that universe (including B:tBatB), Batman is grim with little humor. Humor on the good side comes from Nightwing, Drake (not much, really), and Jason Todd. None of which were in this movie. You got humor with Joker cross dressing. And if he could calculate every event, how come his plan with the boats failed? Because he can't predict everything. He has plots all over the place it's true, but they can fail, and they did. He was outsmarted with Gordon's death, outsmarted at the boats...yeah. We get you dislike Nolan's Batman. Not everyone likes the same things, but you came to the movie expecting something that shouldn't be in it (humor) and missed the kill count and labeled the villain incorrectly. Of course you'd be disappointed.

A somewhat concerning number of people found Jokers 'magic trick' utterly hilarious...

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Batman is supposed to be dark, not humorous. Yes, we got humor with Adam West, but it was a campy romp through Gotham. Typically, outside of that universe (including B:tBatB), Batman is grim with little humor. Humor on the good side comes from Nightwing, Drake (not much, really), and Jason Todd. None of which were in this movie. You got humor with Joker cross dressing. And if he could calculate every event, how come his plan with the boats failed? Because he can't predict everything. He has plots all over the place it's true, but they can fail, and they did. He was outsmarted with Gordon's death, outsmarted at the boats...yeah. We get you dislike Nolan's Batman. Not everyone likes the same things, but you came to the movie expecting something that shouldn't be in it (humor) and missed the kill count and labeled the villain incorrectly. Of course you'd be disappointed.

Ok I'll bite

Batman when Tim Burton did it splendidly and evocatively with actual characters was both dark and humorous - in fact on order to be really dark, in my opinion, you need to counterpoint the darkness with light to show how dark it is - if you see what I mean. Tim Burton managed it but its (once again) beyond Nolan.

Simply being dark and grim on its own is just, well dull. However, the disappearing pen was funny.....

The Jokers massively convoluted plots made 24 look simple and realistic by comparison and only fail at the very last moment.

Death count - as I said - almost everyone the Joker kills are gangsters or mobsters - wow soo scary - he just about manages to kill some cops and in another super infallible plan, batman's sorta girlfriend - seriously did anyone see any chemistry there. He does blow up a empty hospital.

Compare this to the deaths caused by the Joker in Burtons film - thousands - mostly on a whim - as the Joker should be.

I went hoping to be entertained in the same vein as Burtons first "dark" film (not the 2nd one which was not great) - instead I found the first massively overlong film with a poor plot and the 2nd was truly awful and waste of my time - time I did not spend on the third...............

 d-usa wrote:


And Ben is at least giving a halfway decent angry-batman face...

He's probably remembering his "Daredevil" face

The Nolan Batman Movies were the best things to come out of Hollywood since 1941.

Man, thanks for those animated Batman series links...the clips are amazing. The love tunnel clip is just shy of 4 minutes, but it feels so..."heavy" and "dark". The music goes right along with it. Amazing. Thanks, going to watch some of it with my waifu

Is the entire series just called "The Dark Knight returns"?

Its not a series, its just 2 films from the DC Animated Movies collection.

The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 and Part 2.

Yea 1941 was a fun movie. That and animal house are rather funny.

The only thing that has stood the test of time in the Burton Batman films is Michelle Pfeiffer in that Catwoman outfit.




I wasn't as much of a fan of "The Dark Knight Rises", but the first two were cracking films. Shaky plot really let the 3rd one down. Bane's voice made it legendary though.