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 Frazzled wrote:

squidhills wrote:
I don't understand all the hate for IM3. It was far and away a superior movie to IM2. I get why the hardcore IM nerds didn't like it when they discovered that the film makers wanted to avoid the whole cheap "yellow peril" aspect of The Mandarin (and also that they wanted to be able to sell the movie to China... news flash, kids: you will not see a major Hollywood movie with a Chinese villain for at least the next 20 years. Sorry!) but I thought the fact that the villain was the villain because of actions Tony Stark took in the past was a great thing. The villain had a motive *and* was a credible threat (something nobody in IM 2 managed to be) and Tony learns that he is an a-hole, despite being a hero.

Er...no. I'm not a hardcore comic fan-your attempted insult is as lame as it is incorrect.
I didn't like IM3 because it was...boring. The bad guy was a dork. The good guy just kind of goofed off through most of the film.
Ben's performance was the one bright spot in the film.

So you are saying you were mad when you found out that the Mandarin *wasn't* a poorly-concieved racist characiture, even though you aren't a dedicated Iron Man fan? I'm not sure I understand. All of the casual fans I know thought it was a nice twist, as the revelation of AIM as the actual villain was handled well. The hard-core Iron Man nerds raged at the horrible betrayal of the source material; I've never met a casual fan who had a problem with it. (In other words: When I said "I know why IM nerds hated it" I was not saying "Frazzled is an IM nerd" I was saying "Frazzled is not an IM nerd, so I do not understand why he hates it.)

The bad guy was a dork? Well, yeah. That's the point. He was a dork that Tony ignored, who got superpowers from someone else Tony ignored (well, he didn't ignore her; just her mind and her research... he paid lots of attention to her boobies) and then set about trying to take over the country with a plan that was actually very well thought out (for a comic book villain.... get a scapegoat for everyone else to focus on so nobody tries to stop your actual plan). In the meantime, he also tries to kill Tony, because vengeance is a beeyotch. He was far, far more effective than a CEO who is so stupid and incompetant he cannot even dress himself (Hammer) and a guy who barely speaks and has whips and a keyboard (Whiplash or whatever they decided he was). And you're right: Tony goofed off for most of the film. Rhoades is always responsible, always prodding Tony to become more self-aware and pay attention to how his actions affect others, while Tony just goofs off.... and then Tony realizes that his behavior created the very villain he is fighting. His past jerk-ass behavior put him in a situation where his friends' lives (and his own) were in jeopardy. The realization helps him develop as a character, and it works so much better than the whole "did my daddy ever really love me" subplot form 2.

My issue with 3 is that Tony Stark has tons of issues with PTSD, and through the magic of a child, he gets over it. feth that gak. That's the problem, right there. Their attempt to "redeem it" by having him be a tool to the kid after wasn't enough to save face.

So you are saying you were mad when you found out that the Mandarin *wasn't* a poorly-concieved racist characiture, even though you aren't a dedicated Iron Man fan?

Wow. Not sure what planet you're on to get "Ben's performance was the only bright spot" to this. Whatever drugs you're on can I have some.
So we'll use little words to help you this time. "Ben's acted good. Ben's role was good with good lines."

I'm not sure I understand. All of the casual fans I know thought it was a nice twist, as the revelation of AIM as the actual villain was handled well. The hard-core Iron Man nerds raged at the horrible betrayal of the source material; I've never met a casual fan who had a problem with it. (In other words: When I said "I know why IM nerds hated it" I was not saying "Frazzled is an IM nerd" I was saying "Frazzled is not an IM nerd, so I do not understand why he hates it.)

I didn't say jack about the twist.

The bad guy was a dork?

Yes and more importantly A BORING DORK.

Well, yeah. That's the point. He was a dork that Tony ignored, who got superpowers from someone else Tony ignored (well, he didn't ignore her; just her mind and her research... he paid lots of attention to her boobies) and then set about trying to take over the country with a plan that was actually very well thought out (for a comic book villain
.. get a scapegoat for everyone else to focus on so nobody tries to stop your actual plan). In the meantime, he also tries to kill Tony, because vengeance is a beeyotch. He was far, far more effective than a CEO who is so stupid and incompetant he cannot even dress himself (Hammer) and a guy who barely speaks and has whips and a keyboard (Whiplash or whatever they decided he was). And you're right: Tony goofed off for most of the film. Rhoades is always responsible, always prodding Tony to become more self-aware and pay attention to how his actions affect others, while Tony just goofs off.... and then Tony realizes that his behavior created the very villain he is fighting. His past jerk-ass behavior put him in a situation where his friends' lives (and his own) were in jeopardy. The realization helps him develop as a character, and it works so much better than the whole "did my daddy ever really love me" subplot form 2.

blah blah blah you're thinking too deeply about a popcorn comic book movie. If you're thinking this deeply about that On the Waterfront will blow the brains right out of your head.

 Frazzled wrote:

So you are saying you were mad when you found out that the Mandarin *wasn't* a poorly-concieved racist characiture, even though you aren't a dedicated Iron Man fan?
Wow. Not sure what planet you're on to get "Ben's performance was the only bright spot" to this. Whatever drugs you're on can I have some.

So we'll use little words to help you this time. "Ben's acted good. Ben's role was good with good lines."

I'd appreciate it if you did not deliberately alter my quotes to put words in my mouth that I never said nor intended. Please change the quote to reflect what I actually posted.

Didn't touch your quote baby. You just can't handle having to deal with yourself.

 Frazzled wrote:
Didn't touch your quote baby. You just can't handle having to deal with yourself.

"Wow what planet are you on..." wasn't anything I said.

squidhills wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Didn't touch your quote baby. You just can't handle having to deal with yourself.

"Wow what planet are you on..." wasn't anything I said.

Woops you're right. That was my line. Has more oomph than yours though.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Compel wrote:
The Thor films are generally rather positively received at large. Tom Hiddleston as Loki is immensely popular.

From what I can see, iron man 2 and 3 are generally seen as less popular, with the Hulk solo film(s) seen as Marvels worst effort in that universe.

The only ones I wouldn't watch at the drop of a hat are IM2/3 and maybe hulk. IM1,Thor 2, Cap 2 and Avengers are all 10/10 films in my opinion, and Cap/Thor 1 are easily 9. Guardians of the Galaxy goes up to 11!

Speaking of which, my homework tonight is to watch Thor 1, so that I can map out the Hero's Journey Thor goes through and present it to my cotaught ESE/Inclusion class. Those students love that Norse stormbringer.

They also ran through it following Elsa in Frozen. But that's for a different thread,

Honestly, I think the new Batman looks turrible:



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 Platuan4th wrote:
Honestly, I think the new Batman looks turrible:



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Professor Pyg and Circus of Strange was some of the most disturbing Batman material ever created.

It was awesome!

squidhills wrote:
I don't understand all the hate for IM3. It was far and away a superior movie to IM2. I get why the hardcore IM nerds didn't like it when they discovered that the film makers wanted to avoid the whole cheap "yellow peril" aspect of The Mandarin (and also that they wanted to be able to sell the movie to China... news flash, kids: you will not see a major Hollywood movie with a Chinese villain for at least the next 20 years. Sorry!) but I thought the fact that the villain was the villain because of actions Tony Stark took in the past was a great thing. The villain had a motive *and* was a credible threat (something nobody in IM 2 managed to be) and Tony learns that he is an a-hole, despite being a hero.

Yeah, IM3 was terrible for a lot of reasons. The crap with the Mandarin (fixed in the OneShot that came on the Thor 2 Blu-Ray) was only part of it. IM3 destroyed Tony Stark as a character, and the villain was completely lame. But as we're talking about a movie, the best idea is show, don't tell, so I'll just show you (with humour!) the reasons why IM3 does not work: