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gorgon wrote: Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I submit that Gadot is also a notch or two more beautiful than Carano. Gadot can lift lots of weights, but Carano can't do anything to match Gadot's cheekbones.
Maybe that's a shallow thing, but WW is supposed to be a goddess whose presence makes jaws drop and knees weak. Carano is a beautiful woman, but I don't think her looks are capable of delivering that kind of presence. Carano gives off a slightly less feminine, more tomboyish vibe IMO. I think she'd make a great Black Canary, Hawkgirl, etc. where she doesn't need to be the most beautiful woman in the room by a wide margin.
A lot depends on what Snyder and company are going for, and we don't really know that. For a more grounded, pure warrior WW, maybe Carano is the better choice. For WW as a goddess, I see a rationale for Gadot or someone like her.
Now, if you want to question the choice of Gadot based on her acting chops, I think you can get some definite traction there. But then that's just as much of an issue with Carano. The buzz was that they talked to Jaimie Alexander, but the timing didn't work for her. I'd probably park her between Carano and Gadot in terms of looks and athleticism, and she's probably a better actress. Still, she's not exactly Meryl Streep either.
Both of their acting skills are....lacking? So that wasn't even on the table. If the image we've got of Batman and last Superman are anything to go by we're not going for agility in our actors this time around That said I realize it's a taste thing, I don't find Gadot's body type attractive in the least and like has been pointed out I'm tired of "super-hero" women in films looking like they can't fight out of a wet bag. Having seen the shape and look of Carano when she's muscled up I could believe her as a combat monster. Granted, Wonder Woman is a goddess but Super Man is basically a god and he's built like a monster. Just sayin
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I've just remembered that this Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are supposed to be the same universe as the Flash and Arrow tv series. How do people think they will fit together?
There's never really been much discussion about that.
I imagine they'll avoid breaching the topic until they need to start casting the various characters.
The thing is, the Man of Steel events, with General Zod's broadcast going worldwide, with the associated chaos and ramifications would be pretty awesome to see from other characters / cities viewpoints.
I think the plan is that Man of Steel (and hence the sequel with Batman) is set after the events of Arrow seasons 1&2 and the Flash season 1. It would be awesome to see the broadcast in Flash season 1 or Arrow season 3, probably as a finale teaser.
Ahtman wrote: As for Wonder Woman, nothing against Gal Godot personally, but I'm with Comic Book Girl 19 in that I'm tired of seeing models as superheros that don't look like they could punch through a wet paper bag. It isn't just physique but also attitude and she doesn't seem to have either. I'm still willing to give her a shot at the part, but I am skeptical to say the least.
Out of curiosity how do you feel about Scar Jo's portrayal of Black Widow as she seems to fall into that model category but she also made her into a fun, smart, sarcastic character?
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Ahtman wrote: As for Wonder Woman, nothing against Gal Godot personally, but I'm with Comic Book Girl 19 in that I'm tired of seeing models as superheros that don't look like they could punch through a wet paper bag. It isn't just physique but also attitude and she doesn't seem to have either. I'm still willing to give her a shot at the part, but I am skeptical to say the least.
Out of curiosity how do you feel about Scar Jo's portrayal of Black Widow as she seems to fall into that model category but she also made her into a fun, smart, sarcastic character?
Black Widow is a spy with no super powers (in MCU) whereas Wonder Woman is damn near Superman tier in ability. Scarlet Johannsen has a long resume as an actress, not a model, whereas the inverse is true for Gal. In the Avengers Black Widow's reaction to Hulk was believable, but Wonder Woman has to act and carry herself like Thor did in that scene. I would probably find Scarlet more believable as Wonder Woman as well, but again, I am willing to give GG the benefit of the doubt.
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Ahtman wrote: As for Wonder Woman, nothing against Gal Godot personally, but I'm with Comic Book Girl 19 in that I'm tired of seeing models as superheros that don't look like they could punch through a wet paper bag. It isn't just physique but also attitude and she doesn't seem to have either. I'm still willing to give her a shot at the part, but I am skeptical to say the least.
Out of curiosity how do you feel about Scar Jo's portrayal of Black Widow as she seems to fall into that model category but she also made her into a fun, smart, sarcastic character?
Black Widow is a spy with no super powers (in MCU) whereas Wonder Woman is damn near Superman tier in ability. Scarlet Johannsen has a long resume as an actress, not a model, whereas the inverse is true for Gal. In the Avengers Black Widow's reaction to Hulk was believable, but Wonder Woman has to act and carry herself like Thor did in that scene. I would probably find Scarlet more believable as Wonder Woman as well, but again, I am willing to give GG the benefit of the doubt.
Yeah, I know Scar Jo is an actress just a lot people on the web act like like she's a supermodel (probably because a lot of people find her hot). Either way thanks for the clarification.
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gunslingerpro wrote: For anyone questioning Affleck's physique, did anyone watch the Town? He was ripped out of his mind in that film!
In terms of the Superman 'I will never kill thing', what's the alternative in this film? The banishment zone? Freezing him?
It was a plausible, human solution. No unneeded or over-done 'lock up' scene.
It works in some films, (Amazing Spiderman 2), but would've felt cheap in Man of Steel.
Wouldn't the Superman thing to do would be to challenge Zod on the Moon rather than have massive amounts of destruction on Earth?
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gunslingerpro wrote: For anyone questioning Affleck's physique, did anyone watch the Town? He was ripped out of his mind in that film!
In terms of the Superman 'I will never kill thing', what's the alternative in this film? The banishment zone? Freezing him?
It was a plausible, human solution. No unneeded or over-done 'lock up' scene.
Superman has that rule because he's killed before. In fact, before New 52, his reason was for executing a Kryptonian Shadow Zone prisoner.
So executing Zod makes sense as he doesn't have the regret yet for doing it in the past.
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The moon works, if you can ask Zod "hey, I know you wanna feth up the earth, but I'm gonna chill on the moon. Can you stop destroying earth for a minute and meet me there?"
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RiTides wrote: Hopefully they fix the voice for this one
But him talking as if he was gargling marbles was what drove terror into the hearts of criminals! Surely you aren't suggesting he speak normally?
He will use a piercing falsetto... menacingly.
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There's been a few more shots of the new Batmobile -- WiP shots kind of thing --- doing the rounds -- see the Man of Steel movie FB page.
With Cyborg being confirmed for this film too.. and Wonder Woman ..... looking more and more like the JL(A?) movie will be shooting if not alongside or as part of this film then not too long afterwards.
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Why did Cyborg start gaining so much ground? I mean, I was introduced to him being a Teen Titan. Are any of the other iconic titans on the JLA? No. What makes him so special? Yet now they make such a big deal out of him. He gets promoted to being on the JLA in the new 52, despite being in HS still. He saves the JLA in the movie Doom. He sends the forces of Apocalypse home in War. I remember him being an annoying brat kid in TT, constantly stuffing his face and video game fights with beast boy. What the hell? Do. Not. Want.
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timetowaste85 wrote: Why did Cyborg start gaining so much ground? I mean, I was introduced to him being a Teen Titan. Are any of the other iconic titans on the JLA? No. What makes him so special? Yet now they make such a big deal out of him. He gets promoted to being on the JLA in the new 52, despite being in HS still. He saves the JLA in the movie Doom. He sends the forces of Apocalypse home in War. I remember him being an annoying brat kid in TT, constantly stuffing his face and video game fights with beast boy. What the hell? Do. Not. Want.
The Teen Titans cartoon was a fun show, but it's terrible representations of every single character in it. Except Beast Boy. He's actually toned down for good reason.
Cyborg in the comics is actually more like DCAU's Martian Manhunter. He's the stoic who suffers from some self doubt. Doom is pretty much spot on to how he always was, even in the older run of Teen Titans.
As for why he's front and center so much? They needed a replacement for Martian Manhunter after he was killed in the stuff leading up to Final Crisis, especially since they'd killed off the character who took up the traditional "token black character" roles(FFS, the martian's human disguise was even black).
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Well, I think showing some diversity is a good thing. I wasn't sure about Cyborg in particular when the New 52 hit, but I warmed up quickly. He fills a legit role on the team beyond the color of his skin. Now, I like John Henry Irons better in the tech guy role, but they obviously needed time to work out a new origin for him.
An interesting question is which Green Lantern we'll see. There's a little less pressure to go with the John Stewart version with Vic Stone on the team. But Stewart's inclusion would be even better diversity, and give them a workaround for the Ryan Reynolds GL film. Hal could just be off in space somewhere. Personally, I'd rather see Hal and think Reynolds wasn't the problem with the movie. But they'll almost certainly recast it.
And I agree with reds8n...there's a good chance they're going to be doing at least some filming for JL. It would also explain them pushing back the MoS sequel a full year...it's going to be a longer-than-usual shoot.
Corpsesarefun wrote: Speaking of which, does anyone know how involved he is with this project? He is a close friend of Ben Affleck and huge Batman nerd.
Beyond getting an early glimpse of the suit because Ben showed it to him, pretty much none. If you want more from him you can always listen to his Fatman on Batman podcast.
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-Shrike- wrote: Damn. Back to the sculpted, single-piece latex suits? I preferred Nolan's armoured take on it, to be honest.
Yeah, this totally does not work for me. The armored look is far more realistic and believable. This isn't even a well-done latex suit. The cape should connect lower and conceal more of the shoulders, the bat-ears should be longer and pointier, and that huge expanse of chest desperately needs an emblem to break up all that space. He looks like a dumb palooka to me, not Batman. Like his name should be Chest-Man.
Not that it matters, I have no intention of seeing this film. Zach Synder is a horrible director and DC Comics has no idea how to handle their properties. After Green Lantern and Man of Steel, I have zero faith in DC's ability to not completely screw this up. I'm not even worried about Batfleck -- this movie was doomed before casting even began.
I think the suit looks fine and am glad they tried to distinguish it from the Nolan one (I like the Nolan one too) so it feels more like a different take with a batman movie, that being said I'm still skeptical since it's directed by Zack Snyder...
That said I realize it's a taste thing, I don't find Gadot's body type attractive in the least and like has been pointed out I'm tired of "super-hero" women in films looking like they can't fight out of a wet bag. Having seen the shape and look of Carano when she's muscled up I could believe her as a combat monster. Granted, Wonder Woman is a goddess but Super Man is basically a god and he's built like a monster. Just sayin 
