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 Xiorell wrote:
All I'm wanting to know about allies is can you take Battle-Forged primary with unbound allies

...... yeah i guess that would be kind of important wouldnt it. I can think of some cases where that would make for some serious

 Guilldog wrote:

 Xiorell wrote:
All I'm wanting to know about allies is can you take Battle-Forged primary with unbound allies

...... yeah i guess that would be kind of important wouldnt it. I can think of some cases where that would make for some serious

It's just gonna shape the order in which I purchase models for my next army is all. I'm more interested in the traditional FoC type armies but if my allies "can" be unbound I'll just buy the models I like best and worry about making it battle-forged legal later

 da001 wrote:
4) You did what?? Heresy: BLAM!

IG really should have been allies with chaos and tau. A supplement could be made to represent renegade guard or gue'vesa, but until then it would be perfectly serviceable to let them ally properly and is largely unneeded. The IG would retain their formations as usual in any of those situations and there's ample support for renegade guard and gue'vesa.

*grumbles*

 Xiorell wrote:
All I'm wanting to know about allies is can you take Battle-Forged primary with unbound allies

I would guess not, as you'd be taking an unbound army that way.

Bound follows all FoC restriction.


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We could houserule/FLGS-rule that CSM can be BB with IG, and that Tau can be BB with IG.

I wouldn't mind CSM being desperate allies with all but daemons and IG, tbh. That's all we need.

Other than some drop pods.
And a better codex...
Less rage about heldrakes...
Better looking heldrakes...

*sulks in a corner*

 Selym wrote:

 Xiorell wrote:
All I'm wanting to know about allies is can you take Battle-Forged primary with unbound allies

I would guess not, as you'd be taking an unbound army that way.

Bound follows all FoC restriction.


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We could houserule/FLGS-rule that CSM can be BB with IG, and that Tau can be BB with IG.

I wouldn't mind CSM being desperate allies with all but daemons and IG, tbh. That's all we need.

Other than some drop pods.
And a better codex...
Less rage about heldrakes...
Better looking heldrakes...

*sulks in a corner*

I remember when heldrakes came out, i had a csm army at the time i ran out and grabbed three of them. I would run two of them two forgefiends and a defiler with my troop tax a termi lord with the mark of tzeentch and other crap that made him a lvl 2 psyker with a 2+/3++ and a warpsmith that baby sat my defiler, between the drakes and the smith and the defilers "it will not die" i had no friends within a week. But chaos was also the first to get a new dex and so more broken thing *cough* riptides* cough* weren't out yet.

I like it for pure simplification purposes.

Imperium Imperium
Chaos Chaos
Elves Elves

All the Xenos have a couple AoCs, or enough DAs to make up for it (Orks). Tau and Eldar players should be happy. I think Necrons got nerfed the worst, but I'm a Necron player and still happy with it. And they kept Tyranids as feeders.

Everyone getting to Ally with themselves is the removal of a dumb restriction in 6th.

For people like me who don't really care who the Space Wolves are mad at, or who the Blood Angels got screwed over by in the last installment of the Imperial Soap Opera, its a welcome simplification...Imperium.

 jasper76 wrote:
Imperial Soap Opera, .

this needs to be a thing.

 Guilldog wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Imperial Soap Opera, .

this needs to be a thing.

Brother-Captain Jacobus would be better off if only he admitted his feelings to sister Saint Agatha. But little does he know that she's carrying the child of Inquisitor Murdoch.

 Kain wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Imperial Soap Opera, .

this needs to be a thing.

Brother-Captain Jacobus would be better off if only he admitted his feelings to sister Saint Agatha. But little does he know that she's carrying the child of Inquisitor Murdoch.

But Inq Murdoch suffered a psychic scouring of his memory after having done battle with a deamon and now he has .... BUM BUM BUM amnesia!

yay chaos get battle brothers and sm don't. We get ONE TINY ADVANTAGE!!!!!

 rayphoton wrote:
yay chaos get battle brothers and sm don't. We get ONE TINY ADVANTAGE!!!!!

Well now all space marines ally with all other space marines and IG and INQ and GKs so i mean im sure someone can find a way to cheese it up out of control.

 rayphoton wrote:
yay chaos get battle brothers and sm don't. We get ONE TINY ADVANTAGE!!!!!

Huh? Space Marines (and all Imperium armies) made out the best. You've got 9 Battle Brothers, and one of the strongest armies in Eldar as an Ally of Convenience.

Virtus wrote:
I really hope they haven't excluded MT Scions from the Armies of the Imperium. I see AM, but the Scions have their own codex..

Wouldn't it fall under the supplement clause in the last paragraph on that page?

Well, good hint I play tyranids, space marines and chaos. Or rather, good thing my competitive army is my marines.

The only reason Chaos doesn't get Friends with Benefits with AM anymore is because there are no Traitor Guard MODELS. After all, that seems to be the trend for axing certain units lately... Blame the Cadians.

Well this sucks...

So all the imperal armies get to ally, and the rest are stuck with barley anything.

Well, shucks, now I can't do crazy gak with my Taudar anymore.

I really like the new Matrix, personally. It looks to be a hell of a lot more limited than the previous one, which should hopefully cut down on the amount of cheese going around, although I imagine Marines are going to have some interesting combos.

Now I'm just curious to know how the psychic phase stuff is going to change things. If Dark Eldar and Eldar are still Battle Brothers, this doesn't at all stop them from using the Baron in a Jetseer Council list.

Kronk is happy with this Allies Matrix.

Overall it seems that people prefer this new Matrix. It's imperfect yes, but will cut down on the cheesy interracial xenos builds. At least imperial battle brothers makes some sense!

But it ignored some changes that should have happened, it even made the relationship between IG and tau worse now.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
But it ignored some changes that should have happened, it even made the relationship between IG and tau worse now.

I agree, it could be better, but it is an improvement on the last one. Personally, I would have liked to see IG be Allies of convenience with a lot more people, and TauCrons as desperate, but that's really it.

I for one am very happy that the centurionstar will no longer have a buffmander inside.

Phil Kelly seems to like eldar very much. Bit of a bad move on people to nerf , the army everyone bought models for to ally them in and not change the most OP combination in the game.


I wonder if the 7th rulebook will allow people to self ally , unbound armies in to warforged ones.

 jifel wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
But it ignored some changes that should have happened, it even made the relationship between IG and tau worse now.

I agree, it could be better, but it is an improvement on the last one. Personally, I would have liked to see IG be Allies of convenience with a lot more people, and TauCrons as desperate, but that's really it.

I really wanted to see tau no longer BB with eldar or SM but with IG, so I got about half of what I wanted.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 jifel wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
But it ignored some changes that should have happened, it even made the relationship between IG and tau worse now.

I agree, it could be better, but it is an improvement on the last one. Personally, I would have liked to see IG be Allies of convenience with a lot more people, and TauCrons as desperate, but that's really it.

I really wanted to see tau no longer BB with eldar or SM but with IG, so I got about half of what I wanted.

Expect an overpriced codex Gue'Ves'A to come out soon.

SoB and GK battle brothers. Hm.

 Sigvatr wrote:
SoB and GK battle brothers. Hm.

This makes sense because they both work for his majesties inquisition even though one killed up a bunch of the other at the end of the day that would be like if 1st company got into it with 5th company of the ultramarines. they are still battle buddies just different sections had a.....disagreement..

 ace101 wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
While I personally despise the army and laugh whenever something bad befalls it, from an objective standpoint, the new allies matrix appears to once again give the middle finger to Tyranids players.

Clearly you missed the buff that is Tyranids can actually ally with some!!!

It just so happens to be more 'Nids. Take that as you will, but we can now say that Tyranids aren't totally screwed (3 Flyrants without Double FoC anyone?).

Yeah, and it means I can buy painted figs on E bay, and not have to repaint them to use them.

I put up the psyker powers and the refernce chart http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/596034.page#6850159 here

I can't tell, but are SM and Orks Allies of Convenience, or does that say Come the Apoc?