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Not sure if this has been posted somewhere before. but seems like battle brothers are next to gone!

Besides from the News and rumors.

I quite like it besides the boning of renegade IG and the strange tau cron AoC.

I cant wait to see the abuse.

I like how they rolled up Grey Knights, SM's and SOB all together in one block.

Except for the NINE Imperial armies that are all BBs, you mean?

Shame about Tau, though. Seems the whores of the galaxy contracted herpes or something.

 Thud wrote:
Except for the NINE Imperial armies that are all BBs, you mean?

Shame about Tau, though. Seems the whores of the galaxy contracted herpes or something.

Well yeah youd expect the imperium to work with the imperium. But i can see how maybe the inquisition might be desperate allies with like the SW's because of their mutations or something. But yeah outside of your own armies there arent that many. thats all i was saying. And im kinda glad they dumbed down the tau. Seems like everyone who was lacking either ranged or psykers were taking tau or eldar as allies. I think the allies thing is great but the armies are the game are created with certain strengths and weaknesses for a reason. If you can bypass that with allies then it kinda defeats the purpose imo.

I'll believe this is the actual allies matrix when I see it.

It's a big departure from the last one. Personally? Not a fan.

 Guilldog wrote:
I like how they rolled up Grey Knights, SM's and SOB all together in one block.

They rolled all the Imperial armies into one. So now Sisters are somehow BB with Space Wolves, and Space Wolves BB with the Inquisition and GK.

That makes no kind of sense.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:
I like how they rolled up Grey Knights, SM's and SOB all together in one block.

They rolled all the Imperial armies into one. So now Sisters are somehow BB with Space Wolves, and Space Wolves BB with the Inquisition and GK.

That makes no kind of sense.

Thats what i was saying. Cause as far as i know. SW's dont trust the inq one bit.


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 Jimsolo wrote:
I'll believe this is the actual allies matrix when I see it.

It's a big departure from the last one. Personally? Not a fan.

Not 100% certain but im pretty sure its legit.

 Desubot wrote:
the strange tau cron AoC.

I cant wait to see the abuse.

Nothing new about this, I've been abusing this for 2 years. Trons.

I like the new chart.

 Byte wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
the strange tau cron AoC.

I cant wait to see the abuse.

Nothing new about this, I've been abusing this for 2 years. Trons.

I like the new chart.

I agree with the other guy in that they shouldnt have rolled the inquistion, ALL the space marine chapters and the IG into one lump.

Oh no thats not what i meant.

Im aware of Tron

Im talking more of GK Palistar with IG or Sister Priest letting them reroll nemisis warding staves in CC.

Or Karmazov, Grandmaster, and 3 Techmarines all with OSR shoved onto a SM TFC with a SM chapter master dropping the literal bomb on one unit a turn. (without having to use red hunters from forge world)

im sure there are more. but personally (though i dont think dedicated transports will allow but still) would like to see a drop pod dropping in a eversor assassin, only for the visual.

IG/AM should be battle brothers with chaos, since they could be a corrupt human force. More likely then a corrupt space marine, yet they have their own codex.

 Desubot wrote:
Oh no thats not what i meant.

Im aware of Tron

Im talking more of GK Palistar with IG or Sister Priest letting them reroll nemisis warding staves in CC.

Or Karmazov, Grandmaster, and 3 Techmarines all with OSR shoved onto a SM TFC with a SM chapter master dropping the literal bomb on one unit a turn. (without having to use red hunters from forge world)

im sure there are more. but personally (though i dont think dedicated transports will allow but still) would like to see a drop pod dropping in a eversor assassin, only for the visual.

Hmm i wonder what the allied rules will be regaurding dedicated transports. Id love to put some GK interceptors into drop pods


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 invisiblade wrote:
IG/AM should be battle brothers with chaos, since they could be a corrupt human force. More likely then a corrupt space marine, yet they have their own codex.

Maybe not battle brothers, but it would make sense if they released a supplement for them. A subset of rules for traitor and possessed IG. And an army list from that supplement would be BB with CSM and Daemons.

Azreal with Paladins.

I don't see the removal of dedicated transports happening that would make that possible.

Congrats Imperium of Man, you guys get the super special treatment yet again...


Overall it's better than the last one, but I agree with others that the likes of IG/AM, Sisters & Inquisition should've been handled differently.
No more Traitor Guard makes Chaos sad, and the only part of the Inquisition that should ever be BB would be the Deathwatch. The rest of 'em, Sisters, Inquisitors and the Grey Knights especially should not be BFF's with all their other Imperial buds.

 invisiblade wrote:
Azreal with Paladins.

and an apothecary giving him FNP. Take him as one HQ and Draigo as the other and run them with 9 Palis and an Apothecary. talk about a CC nightmare.


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Experiment 626 wrote:
Congrats Imperium of Man, you guys get the super special treatment yet again...


Overall it's better than the last one, but I agree with others that the likes of IG/AM, Sisters & Inquisition should've been handled differently.
No more Traitor Guard makes Chaos sad, and the only part of the Inquisition that should ever be BB would be the Deathwatch. The rest of 'em, Sisters, Inquisitors and the Grey Knights especially should not be BFF's with all their other Imperial buds.

Agreed, especially since IG and 99% of other SM arent supposed to know GK even exists


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 Bookwrack wrote:
I don't see the removal of dedicated transports happening that would make that possible.

Maybe not the removal. But it would be neat if BB could share the same dedicated transport. That would be possible and make sense even.

While I personally despise the army and laugh whenever something bad befalls it, from an objective standpoint, the new allies matrix appears to once again give the middle finger to Tyranids players.

This wont hurt jetseer :(

Experiment 626 wrote:
Congrats Imperium of Man, you guys get the super special treatment yet again...


Overall it's better than the last one, but I agree with others that the likes of IG/AM, Sisters & Inquisition should've been handled differently.
No more Traitor Guard makes Chaos sad, and the only part of the Inquisition that should ever be BB would be the Deathwatch. The rest of 'em, Sisters, Inquisitors and the Grey Knights especially should not be BFF's with all their other Imperial buds.

Agreed, especially since IG and 99% of other SM arent supposed to know GK even exists

If necessary, they are allowed to know of their existence for the duration of the campaign, but are killed/mind wiped after it's over by the inquisition.

 Guilldog wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
the strange tau cron AoC.

I cant wait to see the abuse.

Nothing new about this, I've been abusing this for 2 years. Trons.

I like the new chart.

I agree with the other guy in that they shouldnt have rolled the inquistion, ALL the space marine chapters and the IG into one lump.

Aren't all armies of the golden throne defending mankind in the name of the Emperor?

Its the will of the Emperor!

Some of them are also busy purging the heretical filth that has come to infest the Emperor's domain.

 invisiblade wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Congrats Imperium of Man, you guys get the super special treatment yet again...


Overall it's better than the last one, but I agree with others that the likes of IG/AM, Sisters & Inquisition should've been handled differently.
No more Traitor Guard makes Chaos sad, and the only part of the Inquisition that should ever be BB would be the Deathwatch. The rest of 'em, Sisters, Inquisitors and the Grey Knights especially should not be BFF's with all their other Imperial buds.

Agreed, especially since IG and 99% of other SM arent supposed to know GK even exists

If necessary, they are allowed to know of their existence for the duration of the campaign, but are killed/mind wiped after it's over by the inquisition.

If im going to help and then kill ALL of the people i just helped... that doesnt sound like battle buddies to me. That'd be like having SF come in and provide support for a mission and then killing off the battalion they just helped....seems kinda backwards. I mean i understand it fluff wise but for in game purposes it doesnt add up to battle brother imo.

The problem is when you come to the table of diplomacy with Nids - they just eat the table; and then you.

It's kind of why I never like games like this getting official allies setups. Because its nearly always broken unless its designed right into the core of the games rules and army styles from the start.

Otherwise I'd just say "play with one army" in the rules and then "sure if you and a friend want to team up you can even with different armies that in the lore would want to tear each other apart).

That way you don't have one army left without allies; or armies that shouldn't be together suddenly together; or combos that are stupidly overpowered when using the chart because two armies are allied based upon fluff, but game stats wise compliment each other too well.

It makes sense to me that the Imperium is allied under on banner - push comes to shove most of those forces would fight side by side against xenos even if they hate each others guts.

As for things like Traitor Guard - I suspect that GW views them now as a conversion option only - you can certainly have Traitor Guard converted Guard, but they will fight exactly like Guardsmen with the same allies limits.

 Byte wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
the strange tau cron AoC.

I cant wait to see the abuse.

Nothing new about this, I've been abusing this for 2 years. Trons.

I like the new chart.

I agree with the other guy in that they shouldnt have rolled the inquistion, ALL the space marine chapters and the IG into one lump.

Aren't all armies of the golden throne defending mankind in the name of the Emperor?

Its the will of the Emperor!

Yeah i can understand that logic. But i also know Ordo Hereticus would purge half the SM armies out there given the chance, due to gene seed mutations that can be seen as Heresy. just sayin.

I really hope they haven't excluded MT Scions from the Armies of the Imperium. I see AM, but the Scions have their own codex...

And I thought Eldar and Dark Eldar hated each other.

 Byte wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
the strange tau cron AoC.

I cant wait to see the abuse.

Nothing new about this, I've been abusing this for 2 years. Trons.

I like the new chart.

I agree with the other guy in that they shouldnt have rolled the inquistion, ALL the space marine chapters and the IG into one lump.

Aren't all armies of the golden throne defending mankind in the name of the Emperor?

Its the will of the Emperor!

The Imperium is so vast that its got a lot of internal power struggles; as a result you've a lot of factions that hate each other to the point where they do war with each other. It's like Lords having duels - yes they are all united under the same king, but they'd still duel and fight each other in their own power struggle.

Virtus wrote:
I really hope they haven't excluded MT Scions from the Armies of the Imperium. I see AM, but the Scions have their own codex...

And I thought Eldar and Dark Eldar hated each other.

As far as i know Eldar and DE dont hate each other to the point they will not work together. I believe the Eldar pity the DE more than hate them but they still see them as brothers and they are willing to work with them for the sake of saving the race as a whole. Its been awhile since i read eldar fluff but im pretty sure thats close to accurate.

 Overread wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
the strange tau cron AoC.

I cant wait to see the abuse.

Nothing new about this, I've been abusing this for 2 years. Trons.

I like the new chart.

I agree with the other guy in that they shouldnt have rolled the inquistion, ALL the space marine chapters and the IG into one lump.

Aren't all armies of the golden throne defending mankind in the name of the Emperor?

Its the will of the Emperor!

The Imperium is so vast that its got a lot of internal power struggles; as a result you've a lot of factions that hate each other to the point where they do war with each other. It's like Lords having duels - yes they are all united under the same king, but they'd still duel and fight each other in their own power struggle.

and now they all submit to the will of the God-Emperor against the common enemies of mankind.

Necrons got nerfed! Anyone want 60 Ork Boyz?

But I like the chart!