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 MWHistorian wrote:

I like your post and commend you on your positive attitude.
But the one thing I take issue is the highlighted part. Go back and read the posts of people coming in and calling everyone with a complaint mindless haters. Those are the apologists. People like you I have no beef with at all and I hope you continue to have fun and enjoy the hobby like I once did. I still love 40k, but I don't like what GW is doing to it. I'm hoping it will again return to something I can enjoy. (So I'm holding on to my SOB army I've been collecting since 2nd.)

Admittedly part of my comment was from what I viewed in the locked thread someone linked and another thread in gen chat.

I try to look at it objectively. If you don't like doing something, don't do it. It really is as simple as that. Nobody is forcing any of us to play the game. We willing choose to go out there and pay for models and paint and books and carrying cases. We can point out all the flaws in GW as a company until we are all blue in the face, but what is that actually going to do? You can literally feel the misery coming from some of these "Anti-GW" players. If the game really upsets you that much, take a step back. Don't just switch games, step back from wargaming as a whole, do something else for a while. Then, once you've cleared your head, come back and try again. If the issues are still there, maybe it's time to accept that 40k just isn't for you.

Rompope wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

I like your post and commend you on your positive attitude.
But the one thing I take issue is the highlighted part. Go back and read the posts of people coming in and calling everyone with a complaint mindless haters. Those are the apologists. People like you I have no beef with at all and I hope you continue to have fun and enjoy the hobby like I once did. I still love 40k, but I don't like what GW is doing to it. I'm hoping it will again return to something I can enjoy. (So I'm holding on to my SOB army I've been collecting since 2nd.)

Admittedly part of my comment was from what I viewed in the locked thread someone linked and another thread in gen chat.

I try to look at it objectively. If you don't like doing something, don't do it. It really is as simple as that. Nobody is forcing any of us to play the game. We willing choose to go out there and pay for models and paint and books and carrying cases. We can point out all the flaws in GW as a company until we are all blue in the face, but what is that actually going to do? You can literally feel the misery coming from some of these "Anti-GW" players. If the game really upsets you that much, take a step back. Don't just switch games, step back from wargaming as a whole, do something else for a while. Then, once you've cleared your head, come back and try again. If the issues are still there, maybe it's time to accept that 40k just isn't for you.

You see, this is a perfectly acceptable course of action, but haters can't leave it at that. They have to come in here and spew all of thier anti-GW garbage and actively try and turn people away from the game.

Rakur wrote:
I agree with the OP as well. It’s one thing if you buy a product, play a game, and want to discuss your negative feelings about it. You are an active member of the gaming community and you're contributing to that community in a constructive way. It’s nonsensical to go onto a gaming forum for a game you vehemently hate and DO NOT EVEN PLAY because you dislike it so much just to spew your dissatisfaction. It’s the very definition of a troll. To those people who dislike WH40K so much and have moved onto the Warhmahordes or whatever game strikes your fancy, that’s great. Stop clicking on the WH40K general discussion and go over to your forum. Stop wasting your time with a product you don't use, stop throwing in your two cents when you aren't even participating in the game anymore. It’s like an atheist attending church just so they can put down all the religious people attending.

I like Wh40k and I come to these forums to read about the hobby I enjoy. I don't like having to weed through posts in threads created by people who don't even play Wh40K so I can actually read something relevant to my hobby.

I would contra pose that if the idea that some people don't share the same opinion as your own on a gaming forum disturbs you so much, then maybe a forum that prides itself on having as many disparaging views as Dakka does isn't really for you? Maybe you should instead join some of those forums out there that have a much stricter view on GW products like B&P perhaps?

Also 40k isn't a hobby, its just a product in the much larger and broader miniature wargaming hobby.

PhantomViper wrote:


This forum isn't just for 40k, there is a whole bunch of sub-forums dedicated to other miniature wargames as well. I got into dakka when I was more heavilly invested in GW games, I still stay ehre because I'm now invested in those other wargames that Dakka also caters to.

I talk about how bad 40k and GW is, because this is a discussion forum and its basically fun to engage in such intellectual exercises (and I'm bored at work)(and in the vain hope that GW reads this and takes the games back to what they were in 5th ed 40k and 6th ed WHFB).

I said mostly 40k. Look at the overall thread/post count, its a Warhammer forum

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

You see, this is a perfectly acceptable course of action, but haters can't leave it at that. They have to come in here and spew all of thier anti-GW garbage and actively try and turn people away from the game.

Ad-hominem attacks like those sure make the forum a better place to be!

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

You see, this is a perfectly acceptable course of action, but haters can't leave it at that. They have to come in here and spew all of thier anti-GW garbage and actively try and turn people away from the game.

I'd like to see you quote someone that said that. That someone turned someone away from 40K just because it's a GW game and not for a valid reason such as starting cost and the trend of the system.

Rompope wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:


This forum isn't just for 40k, there is a whole bunch of sub-forums dedicated to other miniature wargames as well. I got into dakka when I was more heavilly invested in GW games, I still stay ehre because I'm now invested in those other wargames that Dakka also caters to.

I talk about how bad 40k and GW is, because this is a discussion forum and its basically fun to engage in such intellectual exercises (and I'm bored at work)(and in the vain hope that GW reads this and takes the games back to what they were in 5th ed 40k and 6th ed WHFB).

I said mostly 40k. Look at the overall thread/post count, its a Warhammer forum

I think you'll find that yakface disagrees with you.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:


You see, this is a perfectly acceptable course of action, but haters can't leave it at that. They have to come in here and spew all of thier anti-GW garbage and actively try and turn people away from the game.

For starters, don't call them haters, you're not going to get anywhere if all you do is insult them. But you are correct, them coming on here to vent their feelings after they have left the game does nothing but stoke the fires and cause drama. If you leave, leave completely. Actively trying to stop others from playing a game they may enjoy because you have stopped enjoying it, there is where they cross the line. People need to be free to experience and choose their own paths in life. Those who are upset with GW need to let new players decide for themselves.


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PhantomViper wrote:


I think you'll find that yakface disagrees with you.

I don't know who Yakface is, nor do I care. The numbers are right there to show that the majority of conversation is about Warhammer. He can disagree all he wants, but the facts are facts.

Rompope wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

I like your post and commend you on your positive attitude.
But the one thing I take issue is the highlighted part. Go back and read the posts of people coming in and calling everyone with a complaint mindless haters. Those are the apologists. People like you I have no beef with at all and I hope you continue to have fun and enjoy the hobby like I once did. I still love 40k, but I don't like what GW is doing to it. I'm hoping it will again return to something I can enjoy. (So I'm holding on to my SOB army I've been collecting since 2nd.)

Admittedly part of my comment was from what I viewed in the locked thread someone linked and another thread in gen chat.

I try to look at it objectively. If you don't like doing something, don't do it. It really is as simple as that. Nobody is forcing any of us to play the game. We willing choose to go out there and pay for models and paint and books and carrying cases. We can point out all the flaws in GW as a company until we are all blue in the face, but what is that actually going to do? You can literally feel the misery coming from some of these "Anti-GW" players. If the game really upsets you that much, take a step back. Don't just switch games, step back from wargaming as a whole, do something else for a while. Then, once you've cleared your head, come back and try again. If the issues are still there, maybe it's time to accept that 40k just isn't for you.

I switched games and I'm having the best gaming experience I've had since 2nd edition. I'm actually excited about these new games.
But like I said previously, I hope that GW turns it around. I still love 40k and like a criminal, I want to see them get better but until they do, I'm not going to trust them.
As for making the game better. We hope someone at GW will take notice or the backlash will turn to something economical that they actually will listen to.

Again, thank you for not just insulting me. It's a low bar, but surprisingly rare to achieve.

Also, I will actively steer new players away to better games because I don't think a sound chamber of yes-men is healthy either. They should know the pros, but also the cons of a new game that's very expensive.

 MWHistorian wrote:


Again, thank you for not just insulting me. It's a low bar, but surprisingly rare to achieve.

Also, I will actively steer new players away to better games because I don't think a sound chamber of yes-men is healthy either. They should know the pros, but also the cons of a new game that's very expensive.

Oh do indeed show them the pros and the cons, but don't talk them out of it, do it objectively. I came back with 7th because my friends said they had more missions and a new Ork codex. I like the new design, but I think I'm like one of 10 who actually like it on these forums

 MWHistorian wrote:
Also, I will actively steer new players away to better games because I don't think a sound chamber of yes-men is healthy either. They should know the pros, but also the cons of a new game that's very expensive.

That's an important thing as well; most "anti-GW" people don't just say "40k sucks don't play it" they present pros and cons, so it's up to the new person to decide for themselves. Some might not care, some might look at the price of the figures and go "no way!".

Generally though the pros tend to boil down to "Pretty figures" and "Detailed background", and most everything else is subjective, while there's a lot of cons to be said. In general 40k's rules are pretty poor overall; not to say you can't have fun with them, but from strictly a games design POV they're bad.

Rompope wrote:
... them coming on here to vent their feelings after they have left the game does nothing but stoke the fires and cause drama. If you leave, leave completely.

many people still have armies, even if they don't play, or are interested in coming back if GW can change it's direction. The best way for that change is community action and not supporting bad purchases like the supplement rules on day of release.

Actively trying to stop others from playing a game they may enjoy because you have stopped enjoying it, there is where they cross the line.

you were doing so well up to this point. Quote one person that wants others to stop enjoying the game. Just one. Nobody has EVER said that.

People need to be free to experience and choose their own paths in life. Those who are upset with GW need to let new players decide for themselves.

This is actually really dishonest. Information is not a bad thing. Hearing reasons on why someone doesn't like the game can help people understand more about it and not necessarily chase them away. If I truthfully describe the negative things about the game and even explain the good parts of it to a potential customer and it chases them away, it's not my fault. If I tell someone as they pick up a battle force kit that honestly he'd need 2-3 more to field a decent sized army and that some items in it aren't that useful or that he'll need to pick up a supplement book to really have a good army, is it wrong that I'm informing them of the ramping cost to actually have a starting army?

 Savageconvoy wrote:

Rompope wrote:
... them coming on here to vent their feelings after they have left the game does nothing but stoke the fires and cause drama. If you leave, leave completely.

many people still have armies, even if they don't play, or are interested in coming back if GW can change it's direction. The best way for that change is community action and not supporting bad purchases like the supplement rules on day of release.

Actively trying to stop others from playing a game they may enjoy because you have stopped enjoying it, there is where they cross the line.

you were doing so well up to this point. Quote one person that wants others to stop enjoying the game. Just one. Nobody has EVER said that.

People need to be free to experience and choose their own paths in life. Those who are upset with GW need to let new players decide for themselves.

This is actually really dishonest. Information is not a bad thing. Hearing reasons on why someone doesn't like the game can help people understand more about it and not necessarily chase them away. If I truthfully describe the negative things about the game and even explain the good parts of it to a potential customer and it chases them away, it's not my fault. If I tell someone as they pick up a battle force kit that honestly he'd need 2-3 more to field a decent sized army and that some items in it aren't that useful or that he'll need to pick up a supplement book to really have a good army, is it wrong that I'm informing them of the ramping cost to actually have a starting army?

Except the negative things you describe are merely your opinion. Outside of initial cost to get in, everything else is merely an opinion. I've seen many players walk away with a Battleforce and just play with that no problem so the additional costs are not a guarantee.

I also never said anyone was stopping players from enjoying it, you are misinterpreting what I said. "Actively trying to stop others from playing a game they may enjoy because you have stopped enjoying it, there is where they cross the line." Nowhere in that sentence do I say you are trying to stop them from enjoying the game, I said you are trying to stop them from playing a game.

The "supplements" you speak of are debatable, to some they are supplements, to others they are codices. This is merely an opinion

Rompope wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:

Rompope wrote:
... them coming on here to vent their feelings after they have left the game does nothing but stoke the fires and cause drama. If you leave, leave completely.

many people still have armies, even if they don't play, or are interested in coming back if GW can change it's direction. The best way for that change is community action and not supporting bad purchases like the supplement rules on day of release.

Actively trying to stop others from playing a game they may enjoy because you have stopped enjoying it, there is where they cross the line.

you were doing so well up to this point. Quote one person that wants others to stop enjoying the game. Just one. Nobody has EVER said that.

People need to be free to experience and choose their own paths in life. Those who are upset with GW need to let new players decide for themselves.

This is actually really dishonest. Information is not a bad thing. Hearing reasons on why someone doesn't like the game can help people understand more about it and not necessarily chase them away. If I truthfully describe the negative things about the game and even explain the good parts of it to a potential customer and it chases them away, it's not my fault. If I tell someone as they pick up a battle force kit that honestly he'd need 2-3 more to field a decent sized army and that some items in it aren't that useful or that he'll need to pick up a supplement book to really have a good army, is it wrong that I'm informing them of the ramping cost to actually have a starting army?

Except the negative things you describe are merely your opinion. Outside of initial cost to get in, everything else is merely an opinion. I've seen many players walk away with a Battleforce and just play with that no problem so the additional costs are not a guarantee.

I also never said anyone was stopping players from enjoying it, you are misinterpreting what I said. "Actively trying to stop others from playing a game they may enjoy because you have stopped enjoying it, there is where they cross the line." Nowhere in that sentence do I say you are trying to stop them from enjoying the game, I said you are trying to stop them from playing a game.

The "supplements" you speak of are debatable, to some they are supplements, to others they are codices. This is merely an opinion

And a new player should hear these opinions and decide for themselves. No one's trying to stop people from playing or even enjoying. If you do, good on you. But players, new and old, should be at least aware of (and hopefully understand) the problems others are having with the game.

That's the issue. They're your problems. Not everyone has them. It would be unfair to have one side spout all the negativity about the game and not the good stuff, you would basically make up their minds for them.

When you get down to it, people are sheep and they go to whoever Baaaaa's the loudest.

Rompope wrote:
That's the issue. They're your problems. Not everyone has them. It would be unfair to have one side spout all the negativity about the game and not the good stuff, you would basically make up their minds for them.

When you get down to it, people are sheep and they go to whoever Baaaaa's the loudest.

But many people seem to be having the same problems, so something should be addressed.

 MWHistorian wrote:

Rompope wrote:
That's the issue. They're your problems. Not everyone has them. It would be unfair to have one side spout all the negativity about the game and not the good stuff, you would basically make up their minds for them.

When you get down to it, people are sheep and they go to whoever Baaaaa's the loudest.

But many people seem to be having the same problems, so something should be addressed.

Then that's their problem. You have to be objective if you want people to make their own choices because they will follow whatever side the majority is on wherever they decide to buy. Hopefully they don't stop by Dakka before buying as then GW really would go out of business.

 MWHistorian wrote:

Rompope wrote:
That's the issue. They're your problems. Not everyone has them. It would be unfair to have one side spout all the negativity about the game and not the good stuff, you would basically make up their minds for them.

When you get down to it, people are sheep and they go to whoever Baaaaa's the loudest.

But many people seem to be having the same problems, so something should be addressed.

We're all just whining, remember?

Seriously though, the right thing to do is to tell anyone who is considering 40k the pros and cons, so they can make an informed decision. There *are* a lot of cons with 40k, regardless of whether people experience them or not. A new player needs to know what they're getting into, especially when there are so many other games out there that have cheaper figures and/or better rules.

Rompope wrote:
That's the issue. They're your problems. Not everyone has them. It would be unfair to have one side spout all the negativity about the game and not the good stuff, you would basically make up their minds for them.

When you get down to it, people are sheep and they go to whoever Baaaaa's the loudest.

So the next time that you see someone criticizing 40k or GW, interject your own logical counterpoints and then we can all have a rational discussion about the pros and cons of the system.

Rompope wrote:


Then that's their problem. You have to be objective if you want people to make their own choices because they will follow whatever side the majority is on wherever they decide to buy. Hopefully they don't stop by Dakka before buying as then GW really would go out of business.

I'm hoping people who get into this hobby make decisions based on their own analysis, not just peer pressure.

I'm also assuming these people are adults capable of independent thought.

Rompope wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

Rompope wrote:
That's the issue. They're your problems. Not everyone has them. It would be unfair to have one side spout all the negativity about the game and not the good stuff, you would basically make up their minds for them.

When you get down to it, people are sheep and they go to whoever Baaaaa's the loudest.

But many people seem to be having the same problems, so something should be addressed.

Then that's their problem. You have to be objective if you want people to make their own choices because they will follow whatever side the majority is on wherever they decide to buy. Hopefully they don't stop by Dakka before buying as then GW really would go out of business.

I would consider it "OUR" problem. As a community, we're sick. Many many people are having trouble with 40k and because you're doing fine with it doesn't mean those problems don't exist. If GW cared about the 40k community, they would address some of the problems and try to fix it. That's on GW's head.

 Blacksails wrote:

Rompope wrote:


Then that's their problem. You have to be objective if you want people to make their own choices because they will follow whatever side the majority is on wherever they decide to buy. Hopefully they don't stop by Dakka before buying as then GW really would go out of business.

I'm hoping people who get into this hobby make decisions based on their own analysis, not just peer pressure.

I'm also assuming these people are adults capable of independent thought.

At least 3 of the major anti-gw contributors to this thread have already admitted to not even trying the new rules. Does that make their opinion less valid? ...to me, yes, but they are still entitled to it.

Like I said, if you've come here looking for a reasonable discussion, you've come to the wrong place.

As a note there's a *HUGE* difference between "I understand you have a problem, but I don't have that problem" and "Because I have no problem, there is no problem and anyone claiming there is a problem is just a whiner"


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 Gunzhard wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

Rompope wrote:


Then that's their problem. You have to be objective if you want people to make their own choices because they will follow whatever side the majority is on wherever they decide to buy. Hopefully they don't stop by Dakka before buying as then GW really would go out of business.

I'm hoping people who get into this hobby make decisions based on their own analysis, not just peer pressure.

I'm also assuming these people are adults capable of independent thought.

At least 3 of the major anti-gw contributors to this thread have already admitted to not even trying the new rules. Does that make their opinion less valid? ...to me, yes, but they are still entitled to it.

Like I said, if you've come here looking for a reasonable discussion, you've come to the wrong place.

And once again, one can read the rules and see what's good or bad without "trying" them. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read something and determine if it's a good rule or a bad rule.

IMO the negativity stems from the internet.

If you like any kind of gaming, and enjoy the game you play for the army/class/whatever do not read forums about it. Any forums that are discussion based tend towards the negative about any form of gaming.

I would suggest only checking out model/painting forums and you will find a lot less negativity.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
If I'm a "White Knight" for liking 40k and GW as a company, then someone better get a squire in here. I need my armour polished! You have my support OP.

There have been GW haters since the begining. This idea that there was ever a time when everyone was cool with GW is a myth. Every codex, every new edition has always been met with cries of the sky falling, and it hasn't happened yet.

Tell that to the people currently trying to organize 40k tournaments around here, because most months they are unable to find enough people to meet the minimum number of players (4)... From where I'm standing, the sky has already fallen on GW's head.

Almost a worthless argument because:

1. Your area doesn't represent the 40k community as a whole.
2. The majority of GW players do not attend tournaments.

That would've been almost relevant as a counterpoint for my argument if I hadn't added the "From where I'm standing" to my post. I know that my area doesn't represent the 40k community as a whole, but I don't care about the 40k community as a whole if I don't have anyone to play with in my meta.

Also I know that the majority of 40k players don't attend tournaments, but back in 5th edition all the store tournaments were almost always fully booked and there were even waiting lists some times. The fact that now those same tournaments most times can't even get a minimum quorum of players is just another symptom of the decline of 40k, again, in my area.


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blaktoof wrote:
IMO the negativity stems from the internet.

If you like any kind of gaming, and enjoy the game you play for the army/class/whatever do not read forums about it. Any forums that are discussion based tend towards the negative about any form of gaming.

I would suggest only checking out model/painting forums and you will find a lot less negativity.

Funny, I actively read forums for WMH, Netrunner and X-Wing and I've never found this overwhelming negativity that you find so prevailing in the internet.

Agreed, on the PP forum it's very positive. Even complaints and criticisms are taken positively because there's a chance they'll actually get addressed instead of ignored.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Agreed, on the PP forum it's very positive. Even complaints and criticisms are taken positively because there's a chance they'll actually get addressed instead of ignored.

This. I mean there are complaints, but it's A) Not nearly the level of vehemence you find on virtually every 40k forum, and B) The company actually might listen because the designers frequent the forums and listen to complaints.

GW alone pretends there are no complaints, shut down all the ways to communicate to them, and just trots out this bullgak about "forge the narrative" which basically comes down to "The game is fine, you're just playing wrong" to address issues.

PhantomViper wrote:

Rakur wrote:
I agree with the OP as well. It’s one thing if you buy a product, play a game, and want to discuss your negative feelings about it. You are an active member of the gaming community and you're contributing to that community in a constructive way. It’s nonsensical to go onto a gaming forum for a game you vehemently hate and DO NOT EVEN PLAY because you dislike it so much just to spew your dissatisfaction. It’s the very definition of a troll. To those people who dislike WH40K so much and have moved onto the Warhmahordes or whatever game strikes your fancy, that’s great. Stop clicking on the WH40K general discussion and go over to your forum. Stop wasting your time with a product you don't use, stop throwing in your two cents when you aren't even participating in the game anymore. It’s like an atheist attending church just so they can put down all the religious people attending.

I like Wh40k and I come to these forums to read about the hobby I enjoy. I don't like having to weed through posts in threads created by people who don't even play Wh40K so I can actually read something relevant to my hobby.

I would contra pose that if the idea that some people don't share the same opinion as your own on a gaming forum disturbs you so much, then maybe a forum that prides itself on having as many disparaging views as Dakka does isn't really for you? Maybe you should instead join some of those forums out there that have a much stricter view on GW products like B&P perhaps?

Also 40k isn't a hobby, its just a product in the much larger and broader miniature wargaming hobby.

First, to suggest 40k isn't a hobby is silly. Sure, it may be a subgenre of miniature wargaming in general, which is a subgenre of table top gaming, which is a subgenre of the gaming hobby as a whole. Its still MY hobby. No need to pick apart my word choices.

Second, I have no problem with people having a negative view of things as I stated in the very first sentence of my post. The idea that someone who doesn't even participate in WH40k coming onto forums SPECIFICALLY for WH40K is what I find frustrating.

Rakur wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

Rakur wrote:
I agree with the OP as well. It’s one thing if you buy a product, play a game, and want to discuss your negative feelings about it. You are an active member of the gaming community and you're contributing to that community in a constructive way. It’s nonsensical to go onto a gaming forum for a game you vehemently hate and DO NOT EVEN PLAY because you dislike it so much just to spew your dissatisfaction. It’s the very definition of a troll. To those people who dislike WH40K so much and have moved onto the Warhmahordes or whatever game strikes your fancy, that’s great. Stop clicking on the WH40K general discussion and go over to your forum. Stop wasting your time with a product you don't use, stop throwing in your two cents when you aren't even participating in the game anymore. It’s like an atheist attending church just so they can put down all the religious people attending.

I like Wh40k and I come to these forums to read about the hobby I enjoy. I don't like having to weed through posts in threads created by people who don't even play Wh40K so I can actually read something relevant to my hobby.

I would contra pose that if the idea that some people don't share the same opinion as your own on a gaming forum disturbs you so much, then maybe a forum that prides itself on having as many disparaging views as Dakka does isn't really for you? Maybe you should instead join some of those forums out there that have a much stricter view on GW products like B&P perhaps?

Also 40k isn't a hobby, its just a product in the much larger and broader miniature wargaming hobby.

First, to suggest 40k isn't a hobby is silly. Sure, it may be a subgenre of miniature wargaming in general, which is a subgenre of table top gaming, which is a subgenre of the gaming hobby as a whole. Its still MY hobby. No need to pick apart my word choices.

Second, I have no problem with people having a negative view of things as I stated in the very first sentence of my post. The idea that someone who doesn't even participate in WH40k coming onto forums SPECIFICALLY for WH40K is what I find frustrating.

I think basically everyone, including myself, voicing our complaints are ex-40k players, who would likely come back if the game was fixed. That should give our view more credence because any smart business (which GW is not...) should want to know why customers have left and how they could get them back.

It's sad, really. In less than a week I have personally witnessed about half a dozen a active members of this forum openly admit their sole purpose for even posting is to deter prospective customers or sabotage anyone's potential enjoyment in the game.

That is the very definition of trolling, and is no different than someone commenting on a random IGN article and belittling Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo.

When did trolling become an acceptable course of action?

You say you 'hang around with the hope GW will listen, or things will change'. Fine, you can hold out hope and hope for the best, but waiting for change has never required spouting propaganda or trolling people that have genuine interest or are active participants in the hobby.