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 Furyou Miko wrote:
A woman born without cross-linking

I tried to search for that in my favorite search engine, but what I found seemed unrelated. What does that mean?
(If that seems a stupid question, keep in mind English is not my native language )

A discussion on the biological reasons behind someone being transgender are probably a bit beyond the scope of a Warhammer 40,000 Background/Lore forum...

That said, the Imperium could be said to be a bit more progressive in regards to non-heteronormative people than the modern world is, but only because it sees people as numbers and doesn't really give a damn as long as they..

1: Pay their taxes.
2: Worship the Emperor.
3: Don't consort with heretics or xenos.

 Melissia wrote:

That said, the Imperium could be said to be a bit more progressive in regards to non-heteronormative people than the modern world is, but only because it sees people as numbers and doesn't really give a damn as long as they..

1: Pay their taxes.
2: Worship the Emperor.
3: Don't consort with heretics or xenos.

On one hand, an argument can be made that with the Imperium's obsession of 'purity' and the Emperor's ideals of humanity etc., non-heteronormative people would be frowned upon.

On the other hand, there is a complete lack of evidence for this assertion. While this is almost certainly due to the matter not having come to their minds (Or GW just not caring/not making it a priority in a galaxy of ONLY WAR), the only straight conclusion we can draw from what we have is 'currently no data'...

...Until we take in the fact that the Imperium would most likely not care what all the billions of menial workers were up to as long as it is not Chaos heresy.

I'd rather be a human on the Eastern Fringe on a world colonized that maintained a high degree of technological capability. Far away from the Imperium and hopefully secure enough on the world barring a major incursion living relatively peacefully.

I'm a fashion designer so I'd either be glitzing up some nobility, making snazzy uniforms for officers, or I'd be a depraved worshipper or Slaanesh. Maybe all three.

Probably all three.

 Ashiraya wrote:


On one hand, an argument can be made that with the Imperium's obsession of 'purity' and the Emperor's ideals of humanity etc., non-heteronormative people would be frowned upon.

On the other hand, there is a complete lack of evidence for this assertion. While this is almost certainly due to the matter not having come to their minds (Or GW just not caring/not making it a priority in a galaxy of ONLY WAR), the only straight conclusion we can draw from what we have is 'currently no data'...

...Until we take in the fact that the Imperium would most likely not care what all the billions of menial workers were up to as long as it is not Chaos heresy.

Gay people appear occasionally in BL novels. There's a lesbian couple in A Thousand Sons, and another in Ciaphas Cain. No one is bothered by it. I am moderately sure there are more examples I've read, but those are the only two that come to mind at the moment. Either way, it doesn't really show up in codices because the focus is pretty much exclusively on battles. There's not even any indication of hetero romance in them. Except in the Space Wolves codex.

Transgendered? I dunno if any have appeared in the setting (That weren't, uh, Slaaneshi cultists), but I doubt the Imperium cares, personally.

Anyway, realistically given my IRL persona and abilities I think it is fair to say that I would likely personally stage a coup against the Imperium. I would tear through Imperial space, conquering every world by myself by riding on the back of a flying Landraider, before making my way to Terra. I would throw down the Imperial City's walls and lay its pits bare, before battling with the rejuvenated corpse of the God Emperor himself. With the former Emperor unable to withstand my onslaught, I would smite his ruin upon the mountainside before absorbing his psychic power. Knowing what I must do, with a single cry I'd tear a hole in spacetime back to before the War in Heaven, and single-handedly wipe out the C'tan and their Necron slaves, preventing the formation of the Warp and saving the galaxy for all time.

You're welcome.

Being in the medical field I would be in the apothecarion of a Space Marine chapter.

Ashiraya wrote:In addition, cis also indicates heterosexuality, if I recall correctly.

You don't, actually. ^^; Gender has nothing to do with sexuality.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
A woman born without cross-linking

I tried to search for that in my favorite search engine, but what I found seemed unrelated. What does that mean?
(If that seems a stupid question, keep in mind English is not my native language )

The terms used for putting genderisation into boxes are trans and cis - much like you have trans-isomers and cis-isomers in organic chemistry. Trans-isomers are those that have cross-linking between the hydrocarbon chains, while cis-isomers don't have cross-linking. It's the difference between thermoplastics and thermo-setting plastics. Transpeople have 'cross-linking' between their physical sex and their actual gender, while cispeople don't have any cross-linking, their physical sex and their gender are contiguous.

Anyway, as Melissia says, this isn't really the place for this kind of discussion, so if you want to know more, feel free to PM me.


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 Generalstoner wrote:
Being in the medical field I would be in the apothecarion of a Space Marine chapter.

Not a medicae in the guard or some high-up spire?

 Generalstoner wrote:
Being in the medical field I would be in the apothecarion of a Space Marine chapter.

More than likely, you'd be a doctor for a noble or working in a clinic in a slum or something.

 Ashiraya wrote:
On one hand, an argument can be made that with the Imperium's obsession of 'purity' and the Emperor's ideals of humanity etc., non-heteronormative people would be frowned upon.

Not sure. If we go by examples of real-life theocratic very conservative republics, I really doubt the Imperial authority cares. The usual “each world is different” applies, though.
Really, a sex change operation is nothing compared to how the Imperium creates space marines, arcoflagellants, assassins (especially callidus. I am pretty sure callidus assasins can change sex, possibly in a matter of minutes. And maybe even change to stuff in between. Let us hope 4chan never ever notice that!) and so on.

Until anything point otherwise, I am going to assume the biggest obstacle to sex change operation in the Imperium is the cost and tech needed for such an operation: it is not going to happen neither in a medieval world nor in a mutant slum.

To be fair, a hermaphroditic callidus is significantly less disturbing than the tentalictor.

I do not know the tentalictor. But the callidus can also grow tentacles. And much horror can follow.

It's from a particularly egregious story about a Cadian woman being kidnapped for sex by tyranids.

 Melissia wrote:

 Generalstoner wrote:
Being in the medical field I would be in the apothecarion of a Space Marine chapter.

More than likely, you'd be a doctor for a noble or working in a clinic in a slum or something.

Yes and no, it all depends. There are so many variables to it, we don't know where we would end up or if we would be even human. There are a lot of possibilities and a lot of potential within the Imperium, how does our millions on one planet translate to millions of planets with multiple races and billions of populations. That is a hard question to answer, and my answer for most fantasy and science fiction settings is what faction/race do we identify with the most and that is usually the best answer imo.

It would seem some people have grand dreams but it depends on how they came to that conclusion. In the grim dark future, who knows if any of would survive to do get into any of these organizations that we surround ourselves in but I think it would be a possibility which is why I put the two answers of where "realistically" you would end up and where you would want to end up.

For mine, I belong to a military branch that is hard to get into but has a lot of smart professional people and my job relates to what the Inquisition does and after reading the The Emperor's Gift , I relate a lot to the Grey Knights with having to take orders and just do their job without much say to whether doing something is a good decision or not so my life experiences translate to that the best which is inherent why I relate to that aspect of Warhammer 40k and why I obsess about the Inquisition and Grey Knights so much.

I am sure the same is true for any military professional, actual Marines relating Space Marines/Imperial Guard and there is a guy in the Army on this thread post that already said he relates to the Imperial Guard.

Who knows where any of us would end up but the reason why I get into fantasy and science fiction is because it lets me discover more about myself, explore what-if situations and envision what it would like to be me if these fantastical and awesome things actually existed. I chose my army based on what I related to the most which is why I chose the Grey Knights and the Inquisition in the first place. The way they work, their tactics of being a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none, and the attitudes they have is something I fully relate to so I concentrated there first before exploring other aspects of armies and races. I find other things cool in 40k but at my core, my heart lies there.

But I may be getting a little too deep into things but this is why I love things like science fiction and fantasy, the tools they give to explore the human condition and philosophy are amazing and in things like the grim dark future of Warhammer 40k or the post apocolyptic earth of Fallout, I think these are brought to the extremes of exploring at this and even satirizing it.

 Envihon wrote:

For mine, I belong to a military branch that is hard to get into but has a lot of smart professional people and my job relates to what the Inquisition does and after reading the The Emperor's Gift , I relate a lot to the Grey Knights with having to take orders and just do their job without much say to whether doing something is a good decision or not so my life experiences translate to that the best which is inherent why I relate to that aspect of Warhammer 40k and why I obsess about the Inquisition and Grey Knights so much.

Geeze, is 'CIA' a dirty word or something?

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

For mine, I belong to a military branch that is hard to get into but has a lot of smart professional people and my job relates to what the Inquisition does and after reading the The Emperor's Gift , I relate a lot to the Grey Knights with having to take orders and just do their job without much say to whether doing something is a good decision or not so my life experiences translate to that the best which is inherent why I relate to that aspect of Warhammer 40k and why I obsess about the Inquisition and Grey Knights so much.

Geeze, is 'CIA' a dirty word or something?

The CIA is a uniformed service but not a military branch. I was speaking of the Coast Guard which doesn't sound like much but my job helps protect people without them ever knowing it and it is of sentistive nature so I don't like discussing it too much on a public forum is all but screw it, I am a Marine Science Technician. I am involved with everything marine safety, security and environmental protection. Like Deepwater Horizon, Coast Guard was calling the shots but no one ever knew we were the ones down there doing it. We do a lot of good that people don't ever know that we are doing it. Our decisions have a big impact on industry which is why we don't openly discuss things.

Now, since you know this, I am going to have to mind scrub you

Fair enough.

By the way, the Coast Guard are awesome. By far my favourite arm of the military. Mostly because they're the ones I've had most direct contact with as a civilian and they're generally nice guys as long as you're not smuggling or something stupid. ^^;

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Fair enough.

By the way, the Coast Guard are awesome. By far my favourite arm of the military. Mostly because they're the ones I've had most direct contact with as a civilian and they're generally nice guys as long as you're not smuggling or something stupid. ^^;

That is probably where we differ most from my little GK fantasy is that we do interface with the public the most but mostly with industry to prevent things from happening but if things do happen, we are there to facilitate the clean up so the industry knows what we do but the general public is mostly oblivious. But I am glad to see some positive PR for my service which makes me happy.

 Envihon wrote:


. Because I am on a crusade in life to help make the world a better place,

I enjoyed this line

 Envihon wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Fair enough.

By the way, the Coast Guard are awesome. By far my favourite arm of the military. Mostly because they're the ones I've had most direct contact with as a civilian and they're generally nice guys as long as you're not smuggling or something stupid. ^^;

That is probably where we differ most from my little GK fantasy is that we do interface with the public the most but mostly with industry to prevent things from happening but if things do happen, we are there to facilitate the clean up so the industry knows what we do but the general public is mostly oblivious. But I am glad to see some positive PR for my service which makes me happy.

Well. Simply put: The other arms of the military exist almost exclusively to go into situations where they might be required to kill people, either to defend something or someone, or to take something or someone.

The Coast Guard are the ones who are situated as part of general duties to act as a lifeboat service.

Either a tech-priest or an imperial artisan. Someone has to be making all those dam gargoyles, skulls and other ornate Gothic kibble.

To be completely honest, a Noble on some world as far away from the horrors of the 40.000 millenium as possible.

My sense of justice and my resentment against the political elite and the rich would likely make me end up as an inquistitor, one with a much more smooth and kind temperament.

What I would love to be on the other hand, is a renegade marine. The countless orders, battles would leave me wanting more to life. But I'm too smart to fall to things such as chaos. Just strike out on my own. A protector of a village on an agri-world? The Galaxy is an open shell for a renegade marine.

Corpse Starch Rations.

I don't think any of you quite understand how this works.

We are all going to be pools of biomass. No questions, no exceptions no ifs, ands or buts.

Kavik_Whitescar wrote:
I don't think any of you quite understand how this works.

We are all going to be pools of biomass. No questions, no exceptions no ifs, ands or buts.

Assuming the Tyranids win.

Ideally I would want to be in a favourable position in Slaanesh's Court.... However I would probably just end up a Thrall to some Slaanesh Cult that get's purged. *Sighs*

That is the what you get when you worship Chaos. The Emperor protects

If this was "Dark Heresy" I'd most likely end up in the scum class as it's usually the easiest area of a society to come to terms with and make a decent living out at without too much time investment.


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walkertreat wrote:
My sense of justice and my resentment against the political elite and the rich would likely make me end up as an inquistitor, one with a much more smooth and kind temperament.

What I would love to be on the other hand, is a renegade marine. The countless orders, battles would leave me wanting more to life. But I'm too smart to fall to things such as chaos. Just strike out on my own. A protector of a village on an agri-world? The Galaxy is an open shell for a renegade marine.

Sounds like you'd end up a dead marine

I would like to be either an Inquisitor or a Commissar. I think the freedom of an Inquisitor would be great, having no restrictions and such. But being a Commissar I can choose how to lead my men to battle and make them become martyrs.

Or maybe just an Imperial Governor of some rich planet tucked away in the middle of Segmentum Tempestus or something like that, living the good life while oppressing my people.