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Frozocrone wrote:

Taffy17 wrote:

Frozocrone wrote:

Taffy17 wrote:
There's a guy at who games at my local GW, he's looks about 50, and writes really cheesy lists and when you play him he's very patronising and every time you ask some things' toughness will pull out his codex just in case you don't believe him.

In one of my first games ever last year he used 3 tervigons against me in 500pts. He showed up to a 750pts tournament with 3 Wraithknights. Within weeks of new space wolves he had a 750pt drop pod list including murder fang with 3 pods falling on the 1st turn.

I talk to the other guys I game with and they all just tell me he's really good at writing lists, but when does writing good lists turn into spoiling the fun?

Was that guy playing Unbound?

Only with the Wraithknights, the Tervigons was still when you could apparently have one as an HQ and 2 as Troops.

Looks like he didn't pay the Termagant tax for the Tervigons...and if that was the dex Nids currently have, he cheated, 3 Tervigons is over 500.

No, this was last year, with the previous codex

Taffy17 wrote:

Frozocrone wrote:

Taffy17 wrote:

Frozocrone wrote:

Taffy17 wrote:
There's a guy at who games at my local GW, he's looks about 50, and writes really cheesy lists and when you play him he's very patronising and every time you ask some things' toughness will pull out his codex just in case you don't believe him.

In one of my first games ever last year he used 3 tervigons against me in 500pts. He showed up to a 750pts tournament with 3 Wraithknights. Within weeks of new space wolves he had a 750pt drop pod list including murder fang with 3 pods falling on the 1st turn.

I talk to the other guys I game with and they all just tell me he's really good at writing lists, but when does writing good lists turn into spoiling the fun?

Was that guy playing Unbound?

Only with the Wraithknights, the Tervigons was still when you could apparently have one as an HQ and 2 as Troops.

Looks like he didn't pay the Termagant tax for the Tervigons...and if that was the dex Nids currently have, he cheated, 3 Tervigons is over 500.

No, this was last year, with the previous codex

Fair enough.

Not sure if Unbound was around back then, but if he was claiming for it to be battle forged - either his list was wrong, he misread rules or he intentionally cheated. Needed to take a 50 point Termagant Tax to take a 160 Base Tervigon as Troops. 3 Tervigons base is 480.

The concepts of "Battle-Forged" and "Unbound" are strictly 7th edition which was released just over five months ago.

EDIT: Came across this article, not really TFG in the sense that the attitude was poor(although you could argue that fielding such a list is) but justice is served

http://imgur.com/gallery/V0gND

I have been looking for that article for ages. Read it once and never found it after. Pretty funny haha.

 Jancoran wrote:


I went second. so no.

So you did lose. Well done blaming the other guy because he can read.

BobNT wrote:



EDIT: Came across this article, not really TFG in the sense that the attitude was poor(although you could argue that fielding such a list is) but justice is served

http://imgur.com/gallery/V0gND

 Portugal Jones wrote:

BobNT wrote:



EDIT: Came across this article, not really TFG in the sense that the attitude was poor(although you could argue that fielding such a list is) but justice is served

http://imgur.com/gallery/V0gND

Man, some people have the attention span of goldfish...

What actually happened was that was a tournament in Russia (iirc) and the situation was entirely coincidental - the Tau player had his kroot, and upon realizing that his all-bike opponent not only had his entire army in reserve, but had no way to bypass any models in his way, infiltrated them up on the table edge.

The issue there being that in 5th ed, there was no clear resolution for what happened to units in reserve that were blocked off the table. We had a nice, big thread about it at the time.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:


I went second. so no.

So you did lose. Well done blaming the other guy because he can read.

No...Are you dense? do you NOt understand the rule? Go read it again and stop being a Donkey Cave. i DIDNT end my turn with nothing on the board and therefore DIDNT lose BECAUSE I went second. Good Gawd man.

 Thud wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

Frozocrone wrote:

EDIT: Came across this article, not really TFG in the sense that the attitude was poor(although you could argue that fielding such a list is) but justice is served
http://imgur.com/gallery/V0gND

Yep, one of the best stories

No.

I saw that when it did the rounds at Reddit, and those guys, not being familiar with 40k, bought it hook, line and sinker.

But you, I assume, are a 40k player. You should know better.

It's a funny situation, but it's disingenuous to portray the White Scars player as cheesy or a power gamer.

Why? I don't owe him gak. I don't know either person, nor the judge or the tourney where it happened. I just think its one of the best stories because its a hilarious strategy. I do think keeping all your forces in reserves is kind of a cheese move. But guess what? That's my opinion.

Get off my back.

 Jancoran wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:


I went second. so no.

So you did lose. Well done blaming the other guy because he can read.

No...Are you dense? do you NOt understand the rule? Go read it again and stop being a Donkey Cave. i DIDNT end my turn with nothing on the board and therefore DIDNT lose BECAUSE I went second. Good Gawd man.

Relax. You're just not explaining it properly.

Janc went 2nd.

At the end of Janc T3, he still had units on the table.
At the end of opponent's T4, he had killed everything.
Opponent says that Janc loses because he has no models.
That is wrong, as Janc had a bunch of units deepstriking onto the board on T4.

A guy is not TFG because he didn't fully understand a rule.


As for the infiltrate thing, you're just wrong. It's okay to not understand the rule. The unit (warriors) gains infiltrate. The dedicated transport does as well due to additional rules on infiltrate. The vehicle never technically gains infiltrate USR. No rules are broken here.

Again, following the rules does not make someone TFG either.

 Jancoran wrote:
As for the other issue, no. If you END YOUR turn without anything then you lose. And I obviously did not.

Technically this is not correct. If you go first and had nothing on the table at the end of your 'player turn', you would not lose until the end of the 'game turn' which would be after your opponent had his 'player turn'. The only instance that I can think of where this would matter however is if a Necron player had a squad of Deathmarks in reserve and used the 'Ethereal Interception' special rule.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
As for the other issue, no. If you END YOUR turn without anything then you lose. And I obviously did not.

Technically this is not correct. If you go first and had nothing on the table at the end of your 'player turn', you would not lose until the end of the 'game turn' which would be after your opponent had his 'player turn'. The only instance that I can think of where this would matter however is if a Necron player had a squad of Deathmarks in reserve and used the 'Ethereal Interception' special rule.

Or if you're playing a Horus Heresy Alpha Legion army (as they can potentially bring a unit in on your opponent's turn if the unit being brought in is the same type as the one your opponent successfully rolled reserves for, in which case it comes in instead of the opponent's unit).

Fortunately, the worst story I have to tell is pretty mild - playing a game against a tau player, who had a hammerhead with no base, and all game long it hadn't been a problem, just having it cruising along at ground level.

Until the last turn, when I had... something somewhere vital, but it was out of sight behind a tall wall. He pulled out his tape measure and started picking up his dice and I asked what he was doing.

"Well, if it was on its base, it'd be high enough to see them, so I'm taking the shot."

I wasn't having any of that, and he got cranky that I wasn't willing to budge on his hammerhead suddenly getting to gain a couple inches of height.

NamelessBard wrote:

As for the infiltrate thing, you're just wrong. It's okay to not understand the rule. r.

And again... NON vehicles is SPECIFIC. Specific beats general.

So no. But you can certainly fel that way about it. It may turn into a roll off and if thats refused, then the shortest game of 40K ever. But you cant ignore the obvious black and white Restriction onthe ability. It mentions the Rule, then MODIFIES the rule. Very clearly.

You target the non-vehicle unit, eg, a Tac Squad.

The Tac Squad now has Infiltrate.

The Infiltrate USR specifies that the dedicated transport of an infiltrating unit can also be infiltrated.

You are wrong about this I'm afraid, I wonder how many more people will need to tell you?

EDIT
What the "non vehicle" clause prevents is your opponent putting a Dread, or a Soul Grinder or some other AV unit which wants to be close in, or perhaps a Vindi or Demolisher with a short range gun getting Infiltrated.

Oh i am quite certain that no one will because they can read the modifier. If they cant, they'll tell me youre right.

You never select a Vehicle to gain infiltrate, therefore you don't break the rule, as a DT the Rhino, Ghost Ark, Land Raider or whatever inherits it by the back door.

Take it to YMDC, you'll find it hard to gain support. Were it to say "deploys as if it had the Infiltrate USR" you may have a case, but it doesn't, it confers the Infiltrate USR onto a non-vehicle unit, and the entry for Infiltrate is clear on how it interacts with DTs.

This thread has become my TFG moment.

Loving it.

Not my story but heard it somewhere on the forum.

Necron player rolls for the Warlord traits and gets "Master of Ambush". Than he attempts to give infiltrate to his Necron Warriors and infiltrate his Ghost Arks, which gain this ability due to being a DT.
His TFG enemy doesn't let him do it even though he's right. Thankfully, after a short quarrel, Necron player doesn't listen to imposed restrictions and behaves like a man and does what's righteous.

 Jancoran wrote:

NamelessBard wrote:

As for the infiltrate thing, you're just wrong. It's okay to not understand the rule. r.

And again... NON vehicles is SPECIFIC. Specific beats general.

So no. But you can certainly fel that way about it. It may turn into a roll off and if thats refused, then the shortest game of 40K ever. But you cant ignore the obvious black and white Restriction onthe ability. It mentions the Rule, then MODIFIES the rule. Very clearly.

Take this to You Make Da Call. I would be surprised if anyone sees this your way. The mechanics behind it have been clearly explained to you, and it appears that you have become entrenched in what is now an obviously wrong position rather than just admit that you were wrong.

 Azreal13 wrote:
You never select a Vehicle to gain infiltrate, therefore you don't break the rule, as a DT the Rhino, Ghost Ark, Land Raider or whatever inherits it by the back door.

Take it to YMDC, you'll find it hard to gain support. Were it to say "deploys as if it had the Infiltrate USR" you may have a case, but it doesn't, it confers the Infiltrate USR onto a non-vehicle unit, and the entry for Infiltrate is clear on how it interacts with DTs.

Like I said: black and white friend. i dont know what to tell you. But I also know that it isnt getting solved here nor on any forum.

 Jancoran wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
You never select a Vehicle to gain infiltrate, therefore you don't break the rule, as a DT the Rhino, Ghost Ark, Land Raider or whatever inherits it by the back door.

Take it to YMDC, you'll find it hard to gain support. Were it to say "deploys as if it had the Infiltrate USR" you may have a case, but it doesn't, it confers the Infiltrate USR onto a non-vehicle unit, and the entry for Infiltrate is clear on how it interacts with DTs.

Like I said: black and white friend. i dont know what to tell you. But I also know that it isnt getting solved here nor on any forum.

No one on any forum is going to back you up since the rules clearly show that you were wrong. The problem is solved. You were wrong. The solution to this problem for you is for you to admit that you were wrong. And you should probably abstain from playing 40k until you have the skill of admitting when you are wrong.

 Jancoran wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
You never select a Vehicle to gain infiltrate, therefore you don't break the rule, as a DT the Rhino, Ghost Ark, Land Raider or whatever inherits it by the back door.

Take it to YMDC, you'll find it hard to gain support. Were it to say "deploys as if it had the Infiltrate USR" you may have a case, but it doesn't, it confers the Infiltrate USR onto a non-vehicle unit, and the entry for Infiltrate is clear on how it interacts with DTs.

Like I said: black and white friend. i dont know what to tell you. But I also know that it isnt getting solved here nor on any forum.

Edited by RiTides (image-only posts are not allowed on Dakka- feel free to edit, though)

I had to fight maxed out plague marine bikers with a cultist swarm. TFG, will never receive another game from again.

 BunkerBob wrote:
I had to fight maxed out plague marine bikers with a cultist swarm. TFG, will never receive another game from again.

Was his list legal?

 BunkerBob wrote:
I had to fight maxed out plague marine bikers with a cultist swarm. TFG, will never receive another game from again.

How is that TFG? Just sounds like a normal chaos force.

col_impact wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
You never select a Vehicle to gain infiltrate, therefore you don't break the rule, as a DT the Rhino, Ghost Ark, Land Raider or whatever inherits it by the back door.

Take it to YMDC, you'll find it hard to gain support. Were it to say "deploys as if it had the Infiltrate USR" you may have a case, but it doesn't, it confers the Infiltrate USR onto a non-vehicle unit, and the entry for Infiltrate is clear on how it interacts with DTs.

Like I said: black and white friend. i dont know what to tell you. But I also know that it isnt getting solved here nor on any forum.

No one on any forum is going to back you up since the rules clearly show that you were wrong. The problem is solved. You were wrong. The solution to this problem for you is for you to admit that you were wrong. And you should probably abstain from playing 40k until you have the skill of admitting when you are wrong.

Just chiming in but it was solved in YMDC quite some time ago.

I think we have a TFG....

on another note on topic, watched a friend play someone I haven't met who says he hasn't played much (this was when malestorm was the newest of the new stuff, not long ago, but eh) and he only has a few models and so take it easy.

so the friend pulls out a bunch of orks and some other things, I didn't pay much attention, then the other guy brings our 2 knights and some other weird stuff.

he proceeded to lose as he couldn't keep up with the Malestorm points and wasn't able to table my friends orks, (4th ed. orks)

not much of a TFG, but I find it a bit odd to say you are new then pull out imperial knights... in a "friendly game". luckily thats about the worst I have seen.

Well... not at a Warhammer related event, but there was this Mini rc event I went to a while back. That one ing guy decides to look at my iwaver and xmods rc. He has the audacity to just come over and pop the chassis off pulling out the servos and ignoring me like nothing.

I nearly goomba stomped his face in. Some people just have no sense and grab anything without asking.

Dont touch something if it's not yours! Don't take apart something if it's not yours! Especially not 5 minutes before a race you arent even participating in! Don't be that mother ing guy!
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I'm fine now. It's cool.