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Eldar aspect warriors and jetbikes plastic update.

New DA models or even some SM toys (like a TF Cannon or a Stormraven, please?!?!). That being said, I would love to see some new CSM models, they always make me smile.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the CSM base kit

Stopped reading here.

That's madness. If this were Sparta, you'd have been kicked into a hole.

The existing Chaos Marines kit is perhaps one of the worst plastic troops kits in 40K. Really only rivaled by the Catachans and Cadians.

Had you NOT stopped reading, you would see the reasonig I gave WHY there is nothing wrong with that kit.

Honestly, nobody ever gave me a solid reason to why CSM kit is bad that is not solved by simple conversion (usually without even requring extra bitz, but entirely posible from within the kit itself with minor adgusments)

When people want a CSM kit that can, on its own, represent every single chaos force out there without the need of the tiniest conversion, naturally no kit will serve them. CSM are a conversion army by its nature, its literally space marines that switched sides.
The kit is meant to do one thing-serve as a base for generic chaos forces and serve as a conversion base for specialisted chaos forces. it does both jobs successfully.
I won't claim its the BEST possible CSM kit, and there is room for upgrades, but with all honesty there are plenty of armies in far more dire needs than CSM there. some armies does not even HAVE kits, let alone the ability to convert out of 5 different armies with ease.

There is no chaos force you want to represent on the table that cannot be done with existing kits, you just need to get some loyalists too from time to time for conversions, or go to forgeworld models for the more specific things.

UPDATE. EVERYTHING.

 The Wise Dane wrote:
UPDATE. EVERYTHING.

This.

Lol

CSM needs a desperate revamp.

It baffles me that some of their models are not MC.

I don't play CSM but I've played against enough to see theyre kinda gimped.

I know IA 13 just came out but they need more.

Mauler fiend and Forge fiend should be MC. If a dreadknight can be one why can't these two models.

Their only Air fast attack, the Heldrake is now borderline broken. Only worth it with a baleflamer. I think it would help out if it was a MC or at least a 90 degree arc of fire if you're going great to limit it to a firing arc. Personally should be 360
May sound crazy but give free upgrade to CSMs for their marks. Might help balance them a little.
Berserker's need some help. Korne armies are wanting to Co e back.

I think invisibility needs to be nerfed, I depend too much on Tigirius and a 6 strong gravturian squad. Lol

I think Vanguard Vets need help. If you're going to keep them in the same points bracket. Give them 2 wounds. I can't think of anyone that plays them. They're so over priced.

I think Terminators need help too. Give them an upgrade where I can purchase a second wound. Also give me an incentive to fielding more of them if they are going great to keep 1 wound. Kinda like how 30k is. The more I purchase the cheaper the squad is.

Tau- not broken at all. Still a very effective army

Eldar- if anything nerf their wave serpents

Orks- get rid of the stupid mob rule table. Ridiculous. You kill yourself more than the opponent does. Give more options for fearless.
Orks are supposed to be resilient. Either give them all FnP or up them to 5 T base.
They're supposed to be strong and swing wildly. I don't like their weak initiative. Give us some kind of an initiative boost. Maybe on the charge.
CC is so bad in this game. Something as to be done to Orks.

Dark Angels- can someone explain why they have their own codex?

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the CSM base kit

Stopped reading here.

That's madness. If this were Sparta, you'd have been kicked into a hole.

The existing Chaos Marines kit is perhaps one of the worst plastic troops kits in 40K. Really only rivaled by the Catachans and Cadians.

Had you NOT stopped reading, you would see the reasonig I gave WHY there is nothing wrong with that kit.

Honestly, nobody ever gave me a solid reason to why CSM kit is bad that is not solved by simple conversion (usually without even requring extra bitz, but entirely posible from within the kit itself with minor adgusments)

When people want a CSM kit that can, on its own, represent every single chaos force out there without the need of the tiniest conversion, naturally no kit will serve them. CSM are a conversion army by its nature, its literally space marines that switched sides.
The kit is meant to do one thing-serve as a base for generic chaos forces and serve as a conversion base for specialisted chaos forces. it does both jobs successfully.
I won't claim its the BEST possible CSM kit, and there is room for upgrades, but with all honesty there are plenty of armies in far more dire needs than CSM there. some armies does not even HAVE kits, let alone the ability to convert out of 5 different armies with ease.

There is no chaos force you want to represent on the table that cannot be done with existing kits, you just need to get some loyalists too from time to time for conversions, or go to forgeworld models for the more specific things.

Do you have any idea what a pain in the ass it is to convert CSM legs into anything that isn't a standing position? Because y'know, THEY'RE ALL IN ONE POSITION!? In order for the legs to be remotely unique, I would either have to greenstuff them entirely or buy a $30 kit just for the legs.

Johnnytorrance wrote:

Dark Angels- can someone explain why they have their own codex?

That's why.

If it hasn't been mentioned yet:

Squats.

If they have been mentioned already:

Squats. And Squat Sisters.

The Sisters. Even the Pope would play them! And with all the psychers spewing out into the galaxy, we need them. Then my Witch Hunter models could come out of their box.
Being Brits, maybe it has something to do with Henry VIII and the Church of England...

 Wyzilla wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the CSM base kit

Stopped reading here.

That's madness. If this were Sparta, you'd have been kicked into a hole.

The existing Chaos Marines kit is perhaps one of the worst plastic troops kits in 40K. Really only rivaled by the Catachans and Cadians.

Had you NOT stopped reading, you would see the reasonig I gave WHY there is nothing wrong with that kit.

Honestly, nobody ever gave me a solid reason to why CSM kit is bad that is not solved by simple conversion (usually without even requring extra bitz, but entirely posible from within the kit itself with minor adgusments)

When people want a CSM kit that can, on its own, represent every single chaos force out there without the need of the tiniest conversion, naturally no kit will serve them. CSM are a conversion army by its nature, its literally space marines that switched sides.
The kit is meant to do one thing-serve as a base for generic chaos forces and serve as a conversion base for specialisted chaos forces. it does both jobs successfully.
I won't claim its the BEST possible CSM kit, and there is room for upgrades, but with all honesty there are plenty of armies in far more dire needs than CSM there. some armies does not even HAVE kits, let alone the ability to convert out of 5 different armies with ease.

There is no chaos force you want to represent on the table that cannot be done with existing kits, you just need to get some loyalists too from time to time for conversions, or go to forgeworld models for the more specific things.

Do you have any idea what a pain in the ass it is to convert CSM legs into anything that isn't a standing position? Because y'know, THEY'RE ALL IN ONE POSITION!? In order for the legs to be remotely unique, I would either have to greenstuff them entirely or buy a $30 kit just for the legs.

How is it any different for other marines?
Or eldar guardians? dire avangers? all aspect warriors? necron warriors? kabalites? bloodletters? plaguebearers?

The CSM kit is imprefect, yes, we get it.
Get over it. there are alot of codcies who are FAR worse when it come to models, and deserve to be remade before CSM.
Heck, not everyone even have plastic models AT ALL.


Can you remake CSM better? yes, alot better.
Is the the FIRST priority? not at all, the CSM are imperfect, but not inherently flawed.

 ciaotym wrote:
The Sisters. Even the Pope would play them! And with all the psychers spewing out into the galaxy, we need them. Then my Witch Hunter models could come out of their box.
Being Brits, maybe it has something to do with Henry VIII and the Church of England...

lol indeed

Orks, Daemons, and Eldar, and CSM have the largest selection of units that need shifted over to plastic from resin/metal:
This is not counting special characters or HQ models with at least 1 wargear option or limited ed model in plastic.
Orks:
Tankbustas
Kommandos
Deffkoptas
Normal Big Gunz
Buggy/Trakk
Wyrdboy

Daemons:
Bloodthirster
GUO
Keeper of Serets
Lord of Change
Khorne Hounds
Furies
Fiends of Slaanesh
Beasts of Nurgle

CSM:
Rubric Marines
Noise Marines
Plague Marines
Obliterators/Mutilators
Dark Apostle
Warpsmith

Eldar:
Warlocks
Avatar
Howling Banshees
Warp Spyders
Swooping Hawks
Shining Spears
Scorpions
Dark Reapers

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Orks, Daemons, and Eldar, and CSM have the largest selection of units that need shifted over to plastic from resin/metal:

Sisters of Battle:

Battle Sister Squad 10-pack (all metal)
Exorcist (mixed plastic/metal kit)
Sisters Repentia (all metal)
Penitent Engine (all metal)
Saint Celestine (all metal)
Battle Sister 3-pack (all metal)
Uriah Jacobus (all metal)
Canoness (all metal)
Battle Sister w/ Flamer (metal)
Battle Sister w/ Heavy Bolter (metal)
Battle Sister w/ Multi-Melta (metal)
Seraphim w/ Hand Flamers (metal)
Battle Sister w/ Blessed Banner (metal)
Mistress of Repentance (metal)
Battle Sister with Simulacrum Imperialis (metal)
Sisters of Battle Superior with Bolter (metal)
Sisters of Battle Superior with Power Sword and Bolter (metal)
Sisters of Battle Hospitaller (metal)
Sisters of Battle Seraphim (metal)
Missionary with Chainsword (metal) (to use for Priests or with =I= Warbands)
Sisters of Battle Dialogus (metal)
Battle Sister with Flamer v2 (metal)
Battle Sister with Storm Bolter v2 (metal)
Battle Sister with Meltagun v2 (metal)

.... you were saying? This *one Army* has nearly as many models as that entire list from *four* Armies.

Sisters of Battle, undeniably.

It's not even a fething contest, no army needs it more than Sisters; Sisters are still using models from the fething 90s as their basic infantry unit ffs.

Adepta Sororitas Hey I signed the petition

I'm curious as to how many 3rd party garage kit makers make some variant of "gothic armored battle nuns".

Sisters do need updated plastic kits or atleast a troop box but it seems like GW is content to skate em by with codex updates.

Otherwise as other people have said older vehicle kits and cult chaos space marines do need improvement.

Also a space marine one for fun (and probably most likely to happen ) are LOTD.

I'm curious as to how many 3rd party garage kit makers make some variant of "gothic armored battle nuns".

Not many. And those that do exist are... at least in my XP... not that great. I am waiting on RH's Sisters of Eternal Mercy, as they often do a mix of Sci-Fi and Fantasy with their series, but we're still years away from that being a thing, and may only be sufficient for Characters or small squads, depending.

... though I have ideas from RH's concept art so-far released.

 Psienesis wrote:

I'm curious as to how many 3rd party garage kit makers make some variant of "gothic armored battle nuns".

Not many. And those that do exist are... at least in my XP... not that great. I am waiting on RH's Sisters of Eternal Mercy, as they often do a mix of Sci-Fi and Fantasy with their series, but we're still years away from that being a thing, and may only be sufficient for Characters or small squads, depending.

... though I have ideas from RH's concept art so-far released.

Just checked the Sister models you mentioned... Oh so great quality, oh so much cheesecake... Why is it we can't have great female models without having them look like they've been through a stretcher torture device, inflated with botox and then put in skintight suits while being braught up to thrust their women-parts every-fething-where?...

Yes, RH tend to make overly sexual models, for no reason or logic at all.

There are WORSE out there mind you, but these are strict "pinup" types, RH try to be both serious and a pinup at once, and often it just looks absurd.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Yes, RH tend to make overly sexual models, for no reason or logic at all.

There are WORSE out there mind you, but these are strict "pinup" types, RH try to be both serious and a pinup at once, and often it just looks absurd.

Can't see the serious myself, frankly... But okay.

I do feel that many companies of several different media's are begining to learn from this... The new version of Malifaux has severely downplayed their anime-esque undertones and cheesecake (as befits a somewhat sober storyline that Malifaux tries to implement), though some remains (the Viktorias being a prime contestant)... I don't feel Warmahordes have ever had too many problems with it though, and 40K is mostly decent - Think of what they could've done with the formfitting suits the Eldar wear...

Of the armies that need new models or at least a supplement here is my list of top 5.

1: Sisters of Battle - No question here SoB could use more GW love. Not having a real book is pretty hurtful.
2. Grey Knights - Out of all the books GK's have the fewest variety of units.
3. Chaos Deamons - will will be an unpopular pick but by a ew of the "pure" lists such as Khorn need a little bit of help. Maybe some kind of shooting would help or a unit with an actual armor save. I find it hard to believe that there isn't some kind of deamon that can shurg off bolter rounds without having to relay on hell forged armor or his elusive invulnerable save.
4. Nids - Would be higher on the list but they have gotten a few models already. I know people are not impressed with them but at least it's something plus you have a drop pod now.
5 not sure if there really is a 5th. Putting more models in any other army might break the bank. The only places that could use more models that might fit is inquisition, or Imperial Knights other then forge world releases. But all those are meant to be allies so doubt that will ever happen.

Obviously we need more Space Marines.

1. Sisters of Battle: Does it even need to be explained?

2. Assassins/ Inquisition: Could use modern models, it's pretty self-explanatory.

3. IG: New sculpts of the infantry (Cadian, Catachan, Steel Legion, Vostroyan, Valhallan, etc.), as many are metal/finecast or just look terrible (the heads...)

The rest all require some work with their rosters, but not as much as the above (Ork warbuggies would be great, but I can't complain with the current Ork roster).

I'd like some new Kroot.

However it has to go to SoB really, failing that I'd like to see a new wave of updates for CSM (particularly troops).

Sisters is in the most need of some work by GW but a model wave isn't the right thing for them. A complete codex, updated models and maybe some new units is what they need.

I'd love new, smoother looking Crisis Suits for Tau, though there is nothing wrong with the Firewarrior kit that a sprue of Ion Rifles and Rail Rifles couldn't fix.

I'd say that what is needed most is blank filling for those codexes adversely affected by recent legal issues surrounding some models and characters. IG and DE seem to have had the worst of that, but I am sure there are others.

The Sisters, of course.

Though, failing a full-on wave, I'd settle for one of those smaller releases that they're sometimes doing, these days. IIRC Jes Goodwin said this could be a possibility were they to work on the SoB, a while ago.

Windchild wrote:
3. IG: New sculpts of the infantry (Cadian, Catachan, Steel Legion, Vostroyan, Valhallan, etc.), as many are metal/finecast or just look terrible (the heads...)

The IGuard will never see a range as wide as they did back in the day. While I agree the IGuard sorely need new plastics, they'll only be new Cadians (or maybe Catachans). The other ranges are dead. It costs a lot of money to produce and stock that many models for what is basically one army. That's a byproduct of the old days. Today's Games Workshop isn't going to do that.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Windchild wrote:
3. IG: New sculpts of the infantry (Cadian, Catachan, Steel Legion, Vostroyan, Valhallan, etc.), as many are metal/finecast or just look terrible (the heads...)

The IGuard will never see a range as wide as they did back in the day. While I agree the IGuard sorely need new plastics, they'll only be new Cadians (or maybe Catachans). The other ranges are dead. It costs a lot of money to produce and stock that many models for what is basically one army. That's a byproduct of the old days. Today's Games Workshop isn't going to do that.

I know that it probably wont happen (even though I would collect IG if they had Vostroyans in new plastic)

Johnnytorrance wrote:
CSM needs a desperate revamp.

It baffles me that some of their models are not MC.

I don't play CSM but I've played against enough to see theyre kinda gimped.

I know IA 13 just came out but they need more.

Mauler fiend and Forge fiend should be MC. If a dreadknight can be one why can't these two models.

Their only Air fast attack, the Heldrake is now borderline broken. Only worth it with a baleflamer. I think it would help out if it was a MC or at least a 90 degree arc of fire if you're going great to limit it to a firing arc. Personally should be 360
May sound crazy but give free upgrade to CSMs for their marks. Might help balance them a little.
Berserker's need some help. Korne armies are wanting to Co e back.

I think invisibility needs to be nerfed, I depend too much on Tigirius and a 6 strong gravturian squad. Lol

I think Vanguard Vets need help. If you're going to keep them in the same points bracket. Give them 2 wounds. I can't think of anyone that plays them. They're so over priced.

I think Terminators need help too. Give them an upgrade where I can purchase a second wound. Also give me an incentive to fielding more of them if they are going great to keep 1 wound. Kinda like how 30k is. The more I purchase the cheaper the squad is.

Tau- not broken at all. Still a very effective army

Eldar- if anything nerf their wave serpents

Orks- get rid of the stupid mob rule table. Ridiculous. You kill yourself more than the opponent does. Give more options for fearless.
Orks are supposed to be resilient. Either give them all FnP or up them to 5 T base.
They're supposed to be strong and swing wildly. I don't like their weak initiative. Give us some kind of an initiative boost. Maybe on the charge.
CC is so bad in this game. Something as to be done to Orks.

Dark Angels- can someone explain why they have their own codex?

because unlike the actually stupid bt'd we have piles of unique models and flavors. However gw at every turn gimped us to make way for better books for other armies.

What the dark angels need more than anything is official access to sm formations like the astartes storm wing (currently it's only a technicality but you can do it). We also need a new named hq that doesn't suck and we also need a better relics table.

I think if gw was intelligent they would of included New datasheets in the dv da and csm kits. That's what I would of done, maybe toss a nice one seraphicus's way as a thank you to limited edition owners that makes the chaplains not a total joke.

The idea here is to diversify the toolset of the da's beyond "spam this wing and take their hq" as the only to even be remotely competitive like at all. That would be nice and would encourage lots of New players to actually buy those two kits rather than point and laugh as they see them on the shelf because their box art looks stupid.