Which Army Deserves the Next Model Wave?

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**Ugly Green Trog**

I'm just waiting for a Space Marine Combiner

It seems to me there's a hole in the range, There aren't enough really big space marines.

Here me out here. We take space marines and we put them inside bigger space marines a la centurians, with me so far? Then we give those large space marines with regular space marines inside the ability to combine with 6 other large space marines with regular space marines into a gestalt figure that looks like.....wait for it...this is the brilliant part....a giant effing SPACE MARINE! Brilliant stuff, price it at £300 and give the design team the rest of the month off.

**Stormwall**

vipoid wrote:
Well, SoB have certainly waited long enough. Failing that:

Paradigm wrote:
IG. Give us back a handful of characters, our stolen artillery pieces and a new unit or two while you're at it!

This.

Also, could you maybe replace our infantry with sculpts that don't look like angry potatoes?

QFT. I don't play either and I sympathize.

**Experiment 626**

We really need our new Greater Daemon models... It's a sad, sad day when those late 90's - 01 scrawnies are reduced to nipping at the ankles of a riptide or Wraithknight like some yappy little mutt, while the Bloodthirster could easily slot into the Dreadknight in place of the Termie pilot...

My LoC feels like a freaking midget as there's littler that's really "monstrous" about his size anymore. Instead we currently have Guppy Daemons instead of true Greater Daemons.

**vipoid**

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

The IGuard will never see a range as wide as they did back in the day. While I agree the IGuard sorely need new plastics, they'll only be new Cadians (or maybe Catachans). The other ranges are dead. It costs a lot of money to produce and stock that many models for what is basically one army. That's a byproduct of the old days. Today's Games Workshop isn't going to do that.

Well, I expect Cadians will be staying. But I'd like to request that if we can only have a couple of types of infantry, we drop Catchians and give one of the others a new range. Preferably Steel Legion, Vostroyans or Death Korps (I know FW do the latter, but it would be nice if they were available for less than 10 million pounds).

Anyway, those three just seem so much nicer in terms of models than the race of shirtless bobble-heads.

One other thing - could we maybe have a plastic power fist that doesn't look like the model is wearing a brick?

Something like this:

Or this:

Really, anything but this:

What *is* that? I don't think that thing could even form a fist.

**Toastaster**

I doubt it will happen considering we got Dark Vengeance, but I hope we get some new CSM Havocs and Troops. Just as long as they aren't the awful bling marines that they seem to be trying to turn CSM into.

**AnomanderRake**

Sisters, obviously, but beyond that I'd love some plastic Aspect Warriors. Haven't bought any since the move to Finecast simply because I'm scared of the flimsiness on thin bodies.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

The Wise Dane wrote:
Just checked the Sister models you mentioned... Oh so great quality, oh so much cheesecake... Why is it we can't have great female models without having them look like they've been through a stretcher torture device, inflated with botox and then put in skintight suits while being braught up to thrust their women-parts every-fething-where?...

Svarog had some okay Sisters models.
This, for instance:
http://svarogminiatures.com/?wpsc-product=female-warrior

**lindsay40k**

Astra Militarum, new infantry sets that have ethnic diversity and, where the bodies aren't Rambo'd jungle fighters, women soldiers. And, of course, all unit wargear options.

**Veteran Sergeant**

ionusx wrote:because unlike the actually stupid bt'd we have piles of unique models and flavors. However gw at every turn gimped us to make way for better books for other armies.

What, extra Terminators and bikes?

**Pendix**

Sisters, hands down. It's the one thin thread that still keeps me interested in 40K.

As to why they haven't (and likely won't) get new models/proper codex: I'd still put my money on the marketing suits not being able to figure out how to fit them into their "14 year old boys are our only demographic" strategy.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Pendix wrote:
As to why they haven't (and likely won't) get new models/proper codex: I'd still put my money on the marketing suits not being able to figure out how to fit them into their "14 year old boys are our only demographic" strategy.

While really, they should add 11 years old girls to their demographic. This kind of 11 years old

.

**CrownAxe**

Sisters of Battle is the one true answer seeing how everything but their rhino chassis are metal (not even finecast) and are twice the price of normal kits as a result.

Of course as a daemon player I want them to update our old kits too, namely our daemonic beasts (flesh hounds, fiends, beasts of nurgle) and greater daemons.

**Kosake**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Orks, Daemons, and Eldar, and CSM have the largest selection of units that need shifted over to plastic from resin/metal:
This is not counting special characters or HQ models with at least 1 wargear option or limited ed model in plastic.
....

I think the current Plague Marines aren't that bad. But by the dark gods, the Bloodthirster is a horrible, horrible model.

**clively**

Only 1 wave is needed: Vect.

**KingDeath**

Sisters of Battle (quite obviously) and then Chaos Marines. Why the later? It's simple, much of their range, especialy cult marines and standard marines, sucks. The HQs are also no match for their awesome counterparts in the fantasy range. Having some well looking elite and assault choices is nice but ultimately insufficient if the core of your army looks like crap from the late 90s. Once that is done they can release a bunch of new Firewarriors too.

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BoomWolf wrote:
Veteran Sergeant wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the CSM base kit
Stopped reading here.

That's madness. If this were Sparta, you'd have been kicked into a hole.

The existing Chaos Marines kit is perhaps one of the worst plastic troops kits in 40K. Really only rivaled by the Catachans and Cadians.

Had you NOT stopped reading, you would see the reasonig I gave WHY there is nothing wrong with that kit.

Honestly, nobody ever gave me a solid reason to why CSM kit is bad that is not solved by simple conversion (usually without even requring extra bitz, but entirely posible from within the kit itself with minor adgusments)

When people want a CSM kit that can, on its own, represent every single chaos force out there without the need of the tiniest conversion, naturally no kit will serve them. CSM are a conversion army by its nature, its literally space marines that switched sides.
The kit is meant to do one thing-serve as a base for generic chaos forces and serve as a conversion base for specialisted chaos forces. it does both jobs successfully.
I won't claim its the BEST possible CSM kit, and there is room for upgrades, but with all honesty there are plenty of armies in far more dire needs than CSM there. some armies does not even HAVE kits, let alone the ability to convert out of 5 different armies with ease.

There is no chaos force you want to represent on the table that cannot be done with existing kits, you just need to get some loyalists too from time to time for conversions, or go to forgeworld models for the more specific things.

So, the kit is so awesome that you need to kitbash it to get something out of it which still looks like a kitbashed model from the late 90s. Not to mention the pityful lack of detail, poor casting, stupid poses and complete absence of inspiration (it looks like the old loyalist kit with a bunch of horns and metal trim). If i want Renegades then i can buy the far superior spacemarine tactical box and "convert" them. When i buy the chaos box then i fully expect something like the DV Chosen, perhaps with less bling and mutation for the rank and file troops, but of an overal similar style. Strangely enough the Fantasy Chaos Warriors are actualy good looking.

**captain bloody fists**

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
I'm just waiting for a Space Marine Combiner

It seems to me there's a hole in the range, There aren't enough really big space marines.

Here me out here. We take space marines and we put them inside bigger space marines a la centurians, with me so far? Then we give those large space marines with regular space marines inside the ability to combine with 6 other large space marines with regular space marines into a gestalt figure that looks like.....wait for it...this is the brilliant part....a giant effing SPACE MARINE! Brilliant stuff, price it at £300 and give the design team the rest of the month off.

I laughed way harder then I should of at this....

**MajorStoffer**

Almost every plastic model pre, I don't know, 2003?

The vehicles are fine, very few of them need replacements at this point, but infantry, well....

Cadians, Chaos Marines, Oblits, Tactical Terminators, Assault Marines, anything Finecast, Sisters (obviously).

About the only last-gen infantry I think look good are Tau; Tau infantry have aged well, even the suits aren't abominable, just mediocre, and things like Guardians/Dire Avengers are fine, but that's kind of the end of the list.

For the makers of "The Best Miniatures in the World" I find most of the infantry quite underwhelming. They pushed the envelope back in the day, but they haven't kept pace.

**Wyzilla**

KingDeath wrote:
Sisters of Battle (quite obviously) and then Chaos Marines. Why the later? It's simple, much of their range, especialy cult marines and standard marines, sucks. The HQs are also no match for their awesome counterparts in the fantasy range. Having some well looking elite and assault choices is nice but ultimately insufficient if the core of your army looks like crap from the late 90s. Once that is done they can release a bunch of new Firewarriors too.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

BoomWolf wrote:
Veteran Sergeant wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the CSM base kit
Stopped reading here.

That's madness. If this were Sparta, you'd have been kicked into a hole.

The existing Chaos Marines kit is perhaps one of the worst plastic troops kits in 40K. Really only rivaled by the Catachans and Cadians.

Had you NOT stopped reading, you would see the reasonig I gave WHY there is nothing wrong with that kit.

Honestly, nobody ever gave me a solid reason to why CSM kit is bad that is not solved by simple conversion (usually without even requring extra bitz, but entirely posible from within the kit itself with minor adgusments)

When people want a CSM kit that can, on its own, represent every single chaos force out there without the need of the tiniest conversion, naturally no kit will serve them. CSM are a conversion army by its nature, its literally space marines that switched sides.
The kit is meant to do one thing-serve as a base for generic chaos forces and serve as a conversion base for specialisted chaos forces. it does both jobs successfully.
I won't claim its the BEST possible CSM kit, and there is room for upgrades, but with all honesty there are plenty of armies in far more dire needs than CSM there. some armies does not even HAVE kits, let alone the ability to convert out of 5 different armies with ease.

There is no chaos force you want to represent on the table that cannot be done with existing kits, you just need to get some loyalists too from time to time for conversions, or go to forgeworld models for the more specific things.

So, the kit is so awesome that you need to kitbash it to get something out of it which still looks like a kitbashed model from the late 90s. Not to mention the pityful lack of detail, poor casting, stupid poses and complete absence of inspiration (it looks like the old loyalist kit with a bunch of horns and metal trim). If i want Renegades then i can buy the far superior spacemarine tactical box and "convert" them. When i buy the chaos box then i fully expect something like the DV Chosen, perhaps with less bling and mutation for the rank and file troops, but of an overal similar style. Strangely enough the Fantasy Chaos Warriors are actualy good looking.

Right now I find myself using as much of the left over bits from the two Warp Talon kits for my CSM's. Makes the aspiring champions look purty.

**The Wise Dane**

Wyzilla wrote:
KingDeath wrote:
Sisters of Battle (quite obviously) and then Chaos Marines. Why the later? It's simple, much of their range, especialy cult marines and standard marines, sucks. The HQs are also no match for their awesome counterparts in the fantasy range. Having some well looking elite and assault choices is nice but ultimately insufficient if the core of your army looks like crap from the late 90s. Once that is done they can release a bunch of new Firewarriors too.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

BoomWolf wrote:
Veteran Sergeant wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the CSM base kit
Stopped reading here.

That's madness. If this were Sparta, you'd have been kicked into a hole.

The existing Chaos Marines kit is perhaps one of the worst plastic troops kits in 40K. Really only rivaled by the Catachans and Cadians.

Had you NOT stopped reading, you would see the reasonig I gave WHY there is nothing wrong with that kit.

Honestly, nobody ever gave me a solid reason to why CSM kit is bad that is not solved by simple conversion (usually without even requring extra bitz, but entirely posible from within the kit itself with minor adgusments)

When people want a CSM kit that can, on its own, represent every single chaos force out there without the need of the tiniest conversion, naturally no kit will serve them. CSM are a conversion army by its nature, its literally space marines that switched sides.
The kit is meant to do one thing-serve as a base for generic chaos forces and serve as a conversion base for specialisted chaos forces. it does both jobs successfully.
I won't claim its the BEST possible CSM kit, and there is room for upgrades, but with all honesty there are plenty of armies in far more dire needs than CSM there. some armies does not even HAVE kits, let alone the ability to convert out of 5 different armies with ease.

There is no chaos force you want to represent on the table that cannot be done with existing kits, you just need to get some loyalists too from time to time for conversions, or go to forgeworld models for the more specific things.

So, the kit is so awesome that you need to kitbash it to get something out of it which still looks like a kitbashed model from the late 90s. Not to mention the pityful lack of detail, poor casting, stupid poses and complete absence of inspiration (it looks like the old loyalist kit with a bunch of horns and metal trim). If i want Renegades then i can buy the far superior spacemarine tactical box and "convert" them. When i buy the chaos box then i fully expect something like the DV Chosen, perhaps with less bling and mutation for the rank and file troops, but of an overal similar style. Strangely enough the Fantasy Chaos Warriors are actualy good looking.

Right now I find myself using as much of the left over bits from the two Warp Talon kits for my CSM's. Makes the aspiring champions look purty.

Pics pwease?

**BoomWolf**

KingDeath wrote:
Sisters of Battle (quite obviously) and then Chaos Marines. Why the later? It's simple, much of their range, especialy cult marines and standard marines, sucks. The HQs are also no match for their awesome counterparts in the fantasy range. Having some well looking elite and assault choices is nice but ultimately insufficient if the core of your army looks like crap from the late 90s. Once that is done they can release a bunch of new Firewarriors too.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

BoomWolf wrote:
Veteran Sergeant wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:
There is nothing wrong with the CSM base kit
Stopped reading here.

That's madness. If this were Sparta, you'd have been kicked into a hole.

The existing Chaos Marines kit is perhaps one of the worst plastic troops kits in 40K. Really only rivaled by the Catachans and Cadians.

Had you NOT stopped reading, you would see the reasonig I gave WHY there is nothing wrong with that kit.

Honestly, nobody ever gave me a solid reason to why CSM kit is bad that is not solved by simple conversion (usually without even requring extra bitz, but entirely posible from within the kit itself with minor adgusments)

When people want a CSM kit that can, on its own, represent every single chaos force out there without the need of the tiniest conversion, naturally no kit will serve them. CSM are a conversion army by its nature, its literally space marines that switched sides.
The kit is meant to do one thing-serve as a base for generic chaos forces and serve as a conversion base for specialisted chaos forces. it does both jobs successfully.
I won't claim its the BEST possible CSM kit, and there is room for upgrades, but with all honesty there are plenty of armies in far more dire needs than CSM there. some armies does not even HAVE kits, let alone the ability to convert out of 5 different armies with ease.

There is no chaos force you want to represent on the table that cannot be done with existing kits, you just need to get some loyalists too from time to time for conversions, or go to forgeworld models for the more specific things.

So, the kit is so awesome that you need to kitbash it to get something out of it which still looks like a kitbashed model from the late 90s. Not to mention the pityful lack of detail, poor casting, stupid poses and complete absence of inspiration (it looks like the old loyalist kit with a bunch of horns and metal trim). If i want Renegades then i can buy the far superior spacemarine tactical box and "convert" them. When i buy the chaos box then i fully expect something like the DV Chosen, perhaps with less bling and mutation for the rank and file troops, but of an overal similar style. Strangely enough the Fantasy Chaos Warriors are actualy good looking.

Have you read what I wrote?
You don't need anything to kitbash, unless you want something SPESIFIC that is not the "generic chaos marine"

Also, the chaos kit very much not lack details. the fact its not the details you personally want does not mean there are no details, there are as many as there are in loyalists.
Casting issues not that I am aware of (but could be), and as for poses, that's personal taste, I find nothing wrong with them-and loyalist marines got the very same poses yet nobody seems to complain.

I am sick of people comparing them to the DV chosen and saying "that's how CSM should look like", not that's how CHOSEN look like. just like space marines don't look like the super-fancy sternguard and are rather bland, so should chaos base troopers.
BASIC troops are BASIC.

If you want fancy guys, you need a Chosen kit. now that would be a nice kit to have, but its not in no way a "regular chaos marine" set.

**Unyielding Hunger**

I got this.

...Squats
Bretonnians!
Sisters of Battle
MOAR Tyranids

Did I win?