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2016/07/02 04:30:11
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Adopted Son of the Emperor
Flailing on the beach like a beached whale. While also wearing fashionable panties.
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 Peregrine wrote: Sgt. Vanden wrote:But as JamesY said in his original post, they rolled with the name until they realized the kid was actually transgender, and not just going through some phase that kids usually go through. If kids just want to change their names to completely random things, such as Frank becomes Adolf, and then Adolf becomes Gustapo, and then Gustapo becomes Stalin, in a short period of time, their parents will be told, then them, and the CPO will have a civilized chat with the child about how serious a subject the child is toying with, and hopefully get them to stop.
Yes, and there's the common sense I mentioned. Your example has nothing to do with the idea of a child changing their name once for a reason they can explain.
As you said, and where I quoted, if the children are changing their names every 15 minutes, then of course nobody will take them serious. If a child, who is genuinely Trans, wants to change their name and give a valid reason for it, ie. "I feel as this name does not express who or what I am, and as such, I want to change it into a more suiting name", then nobody has the right to tell them otherwise.
So yes, my example had plenty to do with your statement, in which I was referring to.
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TheEyeOfNight I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes.
Tactical_Spam Vanden clearly loves making sweet sweet love to his school. He is the most passionate, learning oriented individual you will ever meet.
War Kitten You should ask nicely before hitting people with your stick Vanden. We're a polite society after all.
2BlackJack1 Snow is great though. Snowmen, snowball fights, frostbite, snow forts, what's not to love?
Kharne the Befriender It's just the smug look of eternal irony while you wait for Creed to pull out his Baneblade so you can steal it.
War Kitten I love how this has gone from a deathly serious war to a discussion about how Vanden is secretly a whale wearing panties. Welcome to the Crusade of Fury.
Irishpeacockz Well this crusade will be endless then as I imagine Vandan has a large collection of inflatables lying around
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2016/07/02 07:20:27
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Manchu wrote: JamesY wrote:Your skepticism surely comes from your own experiences and opinions,
LOL well sure. That would be a truism. But yes, having spent time in and around family law practice and domestic violence cases as an attorney, my experiences have indeed left me skeptical of the capacity and motivation of government actors to identify and pursue the best interests of children and/or abuse victims.
Understandable if you have spent so much time dealing with the consequences of when it goes wrong. I haven't had to have much contact with outside agencies on matters of child welfare, so haven't seen it happen myself. I'd say 95% of teachers are drawn to the profession to help and develop children, so we tend to prioritize their interests far more than others might, although it is true that the job does batter that out of many.
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2016/07/06 21:19:47
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Fixture of Dakka
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So.... I found this in the news. As I live in Iowa it does effect me. To sum it up: Churches are no longer able to segregate bathrooms or changing facilities. Churches are also required to use ANY chosen name and any chosen pronoun for a person. Churches are not allowed, in pretty much any way, to make a member of the LGBT community feel bad.
http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/06/iowa-bureaucrats-force-trans-bathrooms-on-churches-forbid-non-pc-preaching/
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2016/07/06 21:32:30
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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That hasn't been tried in an actual court.
If the religious institution is serious enough, notice them for trespassing. It gets around any such law.*
*Frazzled is not advocating this. Just thinking of one solution. Another of course is not care as the statistical likelihood of it being an issue is effectively nil.
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2016/07/06 21:34:52
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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A) Anything named "The Federalist" is obviously unbiased. B) someone's making a church feel bad? OH NO 
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2016/07/06 21:37:02
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Something about the First Amendment being violated by the government...
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2016/07/06 21:38:09
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Building a blood in water scent
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The author's hyperbole aside (totalitarian? really?), all the law does seem to do is formalize that LGBT persons are protected from hate speech in the same manner as other minorities.
If anyone has a different reading of this, I'd like to know.
edit: fix quote derp
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We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” |
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2016/07/06 22:04:59
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 cuda1179 wrote:So.... I found this in the news. As I live in Iowa it does effect me. To sum it up: Churches are no longer able to segregate bathrooms or changing facilities.
Wrong.
From the actual information quoted by the article:
DO E S T H E L A W P R O H I B I T
G E N D E R - S E G R E G A T E D
R E S T R O O M S ?
No. It is still legal in Iowa for businesses to maintain
gender-segregated restrooms. The new law does require,
however, that individuals are permitted to access
those restrooms in accordance with their gender
identity, rather than their assigned sex at birth. And,
just as non-transgender individuals are entitled to use
a restroom appropriate to their gender identity without
having to provide documentation or respond to invasive
requests, transgender individuals must also be
allowed to use a gender-identity appropriate restroom
without being harassed or questioned.
DO E S T H E L A W P R O H I B I T S E X
- S E G R E G A T E D L O C K E R R O O M S
A N D L I V I N G F A C I L I T I E S ?
No. Iowa law does not prohibit places of public accommodation
from maintaining separate facilities for the
different sexes, so long as they are comparable. The
new law does require, however, that individuals are
permitted to access those facilities in accordance with
their gender identity, rather than their assigned sex at
birth, without being harassed or questioned.
DO E S THI S L AW A P P L Y TO
CHU R CHE S ?
Sometimes. Iowa law provides that these protections
do not apply to religious institutions with respect to any
religion-based qualifications when such qualifications
are related to a bona fide religious purpose. Where
qualifications are not related to a bona fide religious
purpose, churches are still subject to the law’s provisions.
(e.g. a child care facility operated at a church or
a church service open to the public).
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2016/07/06 22:19:52
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Fixture of Dakka
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 jreilly89 wrote:
A) Anything named "The Federalist" is obviously unbiased. B) someone's making a church feel bad? OH NO
If your that against biases, I guess no one should ever quote the Huffington Post ever again. Also, bigoted against religion much? Automatically Appended Next Post:  d-usa wrote: cuda1179 wrote:So.... I found this in the news. As I live in Iowa it does effect me. To sum it up: Churches are no longer able to segregate bathrooms or changing facilities.
Wrong.
I guess I should have stated that Churches are not longer able to segregate bathrooms according to the definition of their faith. Automatically Appended Next Post:  feeder wrote:
The author's hyperbole aside (totalitarian? really?), all the law does seem to do is formalize that LGBT persons are protected from hate speech in the same manner as other minorities.
If anyone has a different reading of this, I'd like to know.
edit: fix quote derp
The state isn't recognizing that it doesn't have the authority to violate the First Amendment, they can't limit speech, and they are limiting religious expression. They have also set up a system of punishment that is hard to disprove. While not total totalitarianism it is on the path there.
Also, hate speech against any minority or gender or sexual orientation IS legal and protected. Just as long as it doesn't promote violence.
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2016/07/06 23:49:20
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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I find it hard to believe that anyone should care.
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H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY  bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
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2016/07/06 23:57:27
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Fixture of Dakka
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I personally don't like the Westborro Baptist Church. I think they are basically scum of the earth. I do however support their ability to peacefully say anything they want. Quashing any train of thought is basically an abomination to a free society, perhaps even more so when it is linked to religious discussion.
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2016/07/07 00:00:10
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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cuda1179 wrote:
I personally don't like the Westborro Baptist Church. I think they are basically scum of the earth. I do however support their ability to peacefully say anything they want. Quashing any train of thought is basically an abomination to a free society, perhaps even more so when it is linked to religious discussion.
I don't think they are very peaceful about it.
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H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
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2016/07/07 00:03:20
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Tactical_Spam wrote: cuda1179 wrote:
I personally don't like the Westborro Baptist Church. I think they are basically scum of the earth. I do however support their ability to peacefully say anything they want. Quashing any train of thought is basically an abomination to a free society, perhaps even more so when it is linked to religious discussion.
I don't think they are very peaceful about it.
They're not peaceful but they're not violent either. That's their schtick they are loud obnoxious rude people and they try to provoke violent reactions against them so they can sue people for money.
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2016/07/07 00:12:03
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Prestor Jon wrote: Tactical_Spam wrote: cuda1179 wrote:
I personally don't like the Westborro Baptist Church. I think they are basically scum of the earth. I do however support their ability to peacefully say anything they want. Quashing any train of thought is basically an abomination to a free society, perhaps even more so when it is linked to religious discussion.
I don't think they are very peaceful about it.
They're not peaceful but they're not violent either. That's their schtick they are loud obnoxious rude people and they try to provoke violent reactions against them so they can sue people for money.
As much as I hate to say it, being a complete idiot and saying socially ridiculous things is their right. Remember, you don't have a right to NOT be offended, regardless of what college social justice warriors tell you.
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2016/07/07 00:24:11
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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cuda1179 wrote:Prestor Jon wrote: Tactical_Spam wrote: cuda1179 wrote:
I personally don't like the Westborro Baptist Church. I think they are basically scum of the earth. I do however support their ability to peacefully say anything they want. Quashing any train of thought is basically an abomination to a free society, perhaps even more so when it is linked to religious discussion.
I don't think they are very peaceful about it.
They're not peaceful but they're not violent either. That's their schtick they are loud obnoxious rude people and they try to provoke violent reactions against them so they can sue people for money.
As much as I hate to say it, being a complete idiot and saying socially ridiculous things is their right. Remember, you don't have a right to NOT be offended, regardless of what college social justice warriors tell you.
I don't think anyone is supporting them
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H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
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2016/07/07 10:26:32
Subject: Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Tactical_Spam wrote: cuda1179 wrote:Prestor Jon wrote: Tactical_Spam wrote: cuda1179 wrote:
I personally don't like the Westborro Baptist Church. I think they are basically scum of the earth. I do however support their ability to peacefully say anything they want. Quashing any train of thought is basically an abomination to a free society, perhaps even more so when it is linked to religious discussion.
I don't think they are very peaceful about it.
They're not peaceful but they're not violent either. That's their schtick they are loud obnoxious rude people and they try to provoke violent reactions against them so they can sue people for money.
As much as I hate to say it, being a complete idiot and saying socially ridiculous things is their right. Remember, you don't have a right to NOT be offended, regardless of what college social justice warriors tell you.
I don't think anyone is supporting them
Other than the ACLU?
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2016/07/07 11:24:38
Subject: Re:Equality, Transgenderism, and Name Changes.
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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I'm confused. Are you saying that you support the Westboro Baptist Church's right to say awful things, while also taking a swipe at the ACLU for supporting their legal rights to do so? Seems like a bit of a cognitive dissonance there, but I guess this is now a transgender bathroom thread, so par for the course - where literally the same people who attack gun free zones as murder magnets argue plastic signs stop pedophiles.
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