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Simply because said person was criticised because they were making an overarching change to fix a relatively small problem that only has a few perpetrators.

5+ rerollables, 4+ rerollables, 5+ re-roll 1s ect. aren't the problem.

Not only that but you also wanted to remove Twin-linked, Hatred, Preferred Enemy, Zealot, Master-crafted, Digital Weapons, Prescience etc. removing much of the Game's variation and granularity.

You also wanted to removed rerollable Reserve rolls, Seize the Initiative attempts, Psychic Tests, Morale Tests, Leadership Tests, Fear Tests, Pinning Tests etc.


But no, because people pointed out that was ridiculous and too broad of a change even though they only complain about 1 small part of the rerollable spectrum they're all wrong and beneath you.

Go fething figure.

 kingbobbito wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Knights lose fancy overwatch if you make them jink.

i think there was a faq that stated that they overwatch at bs2 even if they jinked - at least we play it this way - might be a mistake.

It would have to be an errata, not an FAQ, as the rules state "unless jinking, count their BS as 2 when firing overwatch". I doubt something would suddenly make them change their mind on how the rule works. Although this is GW.

They have an FAQ that allows grim resolve to ignore invisibility.

Well, Ravenwing only killed 1x bike and 2x Vaul platforms.

Picking up handfuls of RW bikes isn't really going to balance anything is it?

In this battle, the correct solution is to suicide the farseer into the darkshroud to kill it. when against a Ravenwing list like that, you must kill the darkshroud as quickly as possible or the game is over.

Alternatively, if you just can't (farseer dies) spread out, and force his units to leave the bubble. Shoot anything that does.

I'm not sure if I'm just a terrible player, but my gaming buddy has never complained about the rerollable jinks. Granted, we play reasonably friendly games. But it's never been the steamrolling that I'm reading people on here have been experiencing

MonumentOfRibs wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm just a terrible player, but my gaming buddy has never complained about the rerollable jinks. Granted, we play reasonably friendly games. But it's never been the steamrolling that I'm reading people on here have been experiencing

what does your opponent use?

In fairness, the OP in return lost only 1 bike and 2 support guns, for a total of 7 models max. So, there was no steamrollering on either side.

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
In fairness, the OP in return lost only 1 bike and 2 support guns, for a total of 7 models max. So, there was no steamrollering on either side.

True, but the reason it wasn't a fun game is because most my turns where either rolling dice that did noting, or turboboosting my entire army around the table.
I literally did a half circle around the table edge. In the end, the RW player took ALL objectives, first blood & Line Breaker. And I only took Line breaker.

After discussing it here, though, I realize that we both made mistakes. His bikes should only have had a 3+, not a 2+, and I really should have taken Shriek, or tried for Perfect timing
Although I plan to change my list up for the League, I would feel more confident even playing a straight rematch with the same list.

So I really need to give a big thanks to everyone who participated in this thread. THANX!

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 Galef wrote:

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
In fairness, the OP in return lost only 1 bike and 2 support guns, for a total of 7 models max. So, there was no steamrollering on either side.

True, but the reason it wasn't a fun game is because most my turns where either rolling dice that did noting, or turboboosting my entire army around the table.
I literally did a half circle around the table edge. In the end, the RW player took ALL objectives, first blood & Line Breaker. And I only took Line breaker.

After discussing it here, though, I realize that we both made mistakes. His bikes should only have had a 3+, not a 2+, and I really should have taken Shriek, or tried for Perfect timing
Although I plan to change my list up for the League, I would feel more confident even playing a straight rematch with the same list.

So I really need to give a big thanks to everyone who participated in this thread. THANX!

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You lost to an army you've never faced, no shame in that. Read up on the units (1d4chan has fantastic army breakdowns, modify your list, and ask for a rematch. Also, double check your opponent, as some things he did wrong.

 rawne2510 wrote:

MonumentOfRibs wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm just a terrible player, but my gaming buddy has never complained about the rerollable jinks. Granted, we play reasonably friendly games. But it's never been the steamrolling that I'm reading people on here have been experiencing

what does your opponent use?

Well I've used ravenwing against nids, chaos, Orks as well as the harder armies such as Ad Mech convocation lists. It's always interesting and we've never had outright one sided games with it. I suppose it's down to list construction and your meta really.

Looking at the codex, unless the Chaplain had the Shroud of Heroes, the bikes would have only had a 3+ reroll.

Black Knights could fit, but they can't take Powerfists, so it's a no go on that, plus there aren't enough points after Chaplain/Knights/Attack Bike/Darkshroud to include any fists.

If you're suspecting shenanigans, talk to your TO. Or, talk to the guy.

My brother and I, after an experience with a TFG who added a lot of rules, will show each other where in the codex/rule we get each thing. Maybe you should enact something similar.

Because it;s pretty dumb. A 5+ rerollable is mechanically worse than a 3+, and a 3+ rerollable is equal to a 2+ followed by a 5+, such as that had by any terminator squad with an apothecary.