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Had I not known less going into the episode, I think I would have enjoyed it far more than I did. Knowing the big reveals ahead of the episode made it feel a bit meh

I try to avoid the "next week!" Bits, but the wife wants to watch.them.
She forgot everything shown revealed week, but i knew what was coming :(

Did anyone else keep thinking he was Zathras?

I did get a bit of a Zathras vibe from that character...

A great episode - we knew it was coming but the slow 'body horror' build up worked as the bandaged patients became the first iteration of the cybermen. Some easter eggs too - the Master actually calling it 'Genesis of the Cybermen' and the tear drop....

.. next week Cyber-War!

It was a good episode. I really do wonder what was the point in watching any of it at all though, considering last weeks preview and the earlier previews pretty much revealed the entire thing.

In case people haven't see this week's.

 Skinnereal wrote:


Did anyone else keep thinking he was Zathras?

Did he have a sad life ?
A sad death?

He would be happy to be remembered - nobody remembers Zathras.

Yeah, I totally thought of Zathras while watching the episode, though I had forgotten his name. Had deduced where they were going with it before seeing the headgear, though that definitely cinched it for me.

 AduroT wrote:
Yeah, I totally thought of Zathras while watching the episode, though I had forgotten his name. Had deduced where they were going with it before seeing the headgear, though that definitely cinched it for me.

It seemed pretty obvious when they came to pick her up on the bridge. The only surprise I found was 'Zathras' at the end. I'm not sure how that twist makes sense, but it definitely was a surprise.

Definitely the best episode of a pretty mediocre season (though not as awful as the last one).

GoatboyBeta wrote:
With the regeneration tease at the start of todays episode it gave me a (most likely totally wrong)idea about who could be the next Doctor.
*drum roll*
The next Doctor is Michelle gomez Missy has actually been the Doctor all along but something happens with the Master during the regeneration that scrambles his/her memory. So Missy thinks she is the next Master instead of the Doctor.

My personal theory is (and I'm not spoiled on the next Doctor and don't want to be), they're either going to go with a female Doctor so they can once again pointlessly chase romantic_companion storylines (but this time with lesbians!) or a male Doctor to make Time Babies with Missy. One or the other is the driving force behind the selection of the next doctor.

Voss wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
With the regeneration tease at the start of todays episode it gave me a (most likely totally wrong)idea about who could be the next Doctor.
*drum roll*
The next Doctor is Michelle gomez Missy has actually been the Doctor all along but something happens with the Master during the regeneration that scrambles his/her memory. So Missy thinks she is the next Master instead of the Doctor.

My personal theory is (and I'm not spoiled on the next Doctor and don't want to be), they're either going to go with a female Doctor so they can once again pointlessly chase romantic_companion storylines (but this time with lesbians!) or a male Doctor to make Time Babies with Missy. One or the other is the driving force behind the selection of the next doctor.

Isn't this season also meant ti be Pearl Mackie's only season as Bill?

I'd half expect her to stay as the first Cyberman or something similarly tragic by the end that leaves the Doctor distraught or something.

I don't want Capaldi to go :,(

I wish they'd stop running the trailer for the final episode quite so often,

i';ve gone from exited to see the finale to wondering if I can be bothered all because the trailer is on almost every single program break

I've not seen it.

I don't tend to watch terrestrial tv, on account my flat has terribad reception.

So haven't seen the ad.

Watch everything online so zero trailers seen myself.

Just four short hours to go now. Which is nice.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I don't want Capaldi to go :,(

I sort of agree with you, but the writers have largely done such a bad job with him that he might as well.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just four short hours to go now. Which is nice.

I'm looking forward to it, the end of the not so grand Moff's reign of increasingly smug self satisfied ham fisted efforts, both Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi deserved so much better, I think Moff could write passable one offs but big arcs of wackadoodle muddled bobbins he defended by somehow implying the critics didn't 'get' it was just tiring, likewise the latter Sherlocks which he arguably mangled worst than Who

To go off at a tangent, I thought the final Sherlock was the biggest piece of crap on TV. Super disappointing.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
To go off at a tangent, I thought the final Sherlock was the biggest piece of crap on TV. Super disappointing.

which in a strange way was still quite the achievement giving how terrible the majority of the latter half of the run was

Decent finale I thought.

Can't wait for the Christmas Special now!

That was quite simply fantastic. Hit all the right notes for a finale. Epic but personal, tragic yet hopeful, satisfying as a conclusion and excellent as a story in its own right.

Bring on Christmas, and a 6-month lockdown on any Who-related rumours as I cannot wait to see where that ending is going...

Oh absolutely!

To me, Dr Who is like Star Wars.

Until my bum is on seat and it starts playing, I don't want to know.

I want the surprise. I want to feel uncertain as to whether they're getting out of this one in one piece.

Yup, that was a good finale. Kinda sad about Missy, but it was a perfect way to do it, very true to the characters.

Ah but she's clearly not dead.

At least, The Master isn't.

He's been shrunk to death, exterminated by Daleks, all sorts. And The Master always survives.

Plus, with The Master off to Regenerate, we've got plenty opportunities for Missy to show up again

Yeah, The Master is only ever gone until a story calls for him not to be. Much like how the Daleks have been 'wiped out' over and over This version (and what a version, Simm's equal in every respect) might be over, but there'll be another eventually, possibly sooner rather than later.

I will admit, I'm not generally too experienced with Old-Who, nor an expert on much of new-Who at all.


Specifically saying, essentially,



Of course, this is Doctor Who, so timey wimeyness and retcons apply more than anything short of the last decade of DC comics.

But still, there's a chance I feel each time a retcon is done that it can break an audiences investment in the drama. - After all, is it still dramatic, if there's no consequences?

The Master is practically immortal. The Master has had worse, and survived. Somehow!

I enjoyed that. Like Doc, I'm now going to avoid the rumours about who'll be the next Doctor until Christmas.

Out of the last six Doctors, three of them have been Scottish. Time for a Welsh one? Or an Irish one?

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I enjoyed that. Like Doc, I'm now going to avoid the rumours about who'll be the next Doctor until Christmas.

Out of the last six Doctors, three of them have been Scottish. Time for a Welsh one? Or an Irish one?

I vote Cornish. If we could lure her away from WestWorld for a bit...

Not a bad finale for an overall decent season. Even if the power of love did kinda save the day again, it was nice to see a good ending for Bill and puddle girl. But I'm really gonna miss the excellent cast they had this year