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**NinthMusketeer**

JohnnyHell wrote:
yakface wrote:
JohnnyHell wrote:
Q: (paraphrased) "What points do I pay for the crew?"
A: (paraphrased) "You don't pay points, you just get the ability if you have the models."

That's my interpretation. If you think I'm wrong, write to Games Workshop instead of demanding I prove my point and being all internet about it. No point in a fight! Enough people write in they may clarify their clarification. And if I'm wrong when they do I don't care, but that's how it currently reads, in absence of points thatvthey could have put in the same paragraph if they'd intended a cost.

No it does not. The question and answer have absolutely nothing to do with points. It is a question about whether taking the 3 horrors are separate models which then form a mixed unit with the chariot. And they answer that question with (paraphrasing) no, they are not separate models that form a mixed unit.

There is absolutely no mention of points in either the question or the answer. So yes, they answered one big question about the upgrade, but not the one regarding points.

And again, this remains the ONLY wargear upgrade to my knowledge that doesn't have a listed points value (even one of '0'). Whether it is '0' points or not, it needs to have a listing to say the point value is '0', as that's the way every single other wargear upgrade works in the entire game.

Does not... to you. We're not even arguing, just repeating. Fire it at GW and I'll happily abide by whatever ruling they deicde. Until then I don't read it how you read it. Sorry.

No, I think Yakface has a point. The basic meaning of the questions simply does not address the costs, it isn't an opinion thing.

**Ghaz**

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
The exarch is a separate profile that simply replaces a squad member. It doesn't cost the same as another member of the squad, it just replaces them.

Otherwise you'd have to show me where they have their point value listed in the back. They don't. It is simply an option based on the models you have available.

It is an upgrade you don't pay points for. Just like the blue horrors.

Except that's specifically covered in the Index (see 'Unit Champions', pg. 108 of Index Xenos 1). Blue Horrors are not covered in the Index.

**JakeSiren**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
JohnnyHell wrote:
yakface wrote:
JohnnyHell wrote:
Q: (paraphrased) "What points do I pay for the crew?"
A: (paraphrased) "You don't pay points, you just get the ability if you have the models."

That's my interpretation. If you think I'm wrong, write to Games Workshop instead of demanding I prove my point and being all internet about it. No point in a fight! Enough people write in they may clarify their clarification. And if I'm wrong when they do I don't care, but that's how it currently reads, in absence of points thatvthey could have put in the same paragraph if they'd intended a cost.

No it does not. The question and answer have absolutely nothing to do with points. It is a question about whether taking the 3 horrors are separate models which then form a mixed unit with the chariot. And they answer that question with (paraphrasing) no, they are not separate models that form a mixed unit.

There is absolutely no mention of points in either the question or the answer. So yes, they answered one big question about the upgrade, but not the one regarding points.

And again, this remains the ONLY wargear upgrade to my knowledge that doesn't have a listed points value (even one of '0'). Whether it is '0' points or not, it needs to have a listing to say the point value is '0', as that's the way every single other wargear upgrade works in the entire game.

Does not... to you. We're not even arguing, just repeating. Fire it at GW and I'll happily abide by whatever ruling they deicde. Until then I don't read it how you read it. Sorry.
No, I think Yakface has a point. The basic meaning of the questions simply does not address the costs, it isn't an opinion thing.

Agreed.

The other thing to keep in mind is that there is an equally wrong conclusion that the horror upgrade costs 15 points instead of free as you are buying 3 blue horrors @ 5 points each (hint:models aren't war gear) The Battlescribe data authours went this route in absence of full information. So if someone turned up to play a game and their opponent put their list into battlescribe they could reasonably claim their opponent was cheating by using too many points. Checking the codex and FAQ would support this incorrect cost more than the assumption of a free upgrade.

**Azreal13**

Agreed +1

0 is still a cost. Not listed is not a cost.

**puma713**

yakface wrote:
Imateria wrote:
The Haemonculus Crucible of Malediction is a free wargear option.

Thanks for that! I'll add it to the FAQ questions for GW to answer.

But just to clarify: that is not a 'free' wargear option, it is a wargear option that doesn't have a points value listed. That's an important distinction because GW does have many '0' point weapons/wargear options, which sets the very clear precedent that every weapon/wargear option should have a listed point value, even if it is '0'. So any items that don't have a listing, are an issue of concern that need to be addressed (even if its just to give them a point value '0'), not that they are 'free' because there is no listing for them.

Same thing for the Void Mine of the Dark Eldar Voidraven Bomber. Although, GW sort of already covered this in the FAQ. They said that if there is a points cost listed, then you pay the points. Therefore, if there is no points cost listed, then perhaps the cost is rolled into the model.

**yakface**

puma713 wrote:
Same thing for the Void Mine of the Dark Eldar Voidraven Bomber. Although, GW sort of already covered this in the FAQ. They said that if there is a points cost listed, then you pay the points. Therefore, if there is no points cost listed, then perhaps the cost is rolled into the model.

It's not the same thing at all. Void Mines are just an ability, not wargear or a wargear option.

The Blue Horrors are a wargear option, and thus need to have a point value. Especially as they provide a benefit with no downside.