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 Thargrim wrote:
The real issue I have with the primaris is the visual style. Not the scale. They just look like truescale beefed up mk IV. Very little of that gothic and more menacing style marines used to have. I don't know, they just look kinda generic sci fi. The regular marines and terminators are just too iconic. I honestly wish they would have just did a truescale of mk 7. Maybe they just need more variation of the primaris helmet design, bring back the mouth grills!

Not eneugh skulls?

that said the MK X armor actually looks a lot like the old Jess Godwin Marine concept art.

Yeah it definitely takes cues from Jes’ Mk VIII Errant armour, and also Mk IV, but that’s been confirmed on the fluff already.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Yeah it definitely takes cues from Jes’ Mk VIII Errant armour, and also Mk IV, but that’s been confirmed on the fluff already.

and on an OOC note those are proably two of the most popular armor designs among the fans

 Thargrim wrote:
bring back the mouth grills!

YES the classic Vader Frown is essential.

#beaksnotfrowns

BrianDavion wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
The real issue I have with the primaris is the visual style. Not the scale. They just look like truescale beefed up mk IV. Very little of that gothic and more menacing style marines used to have. I don't know, they just look kinda generic sci fi. The regular marines and terminators are just too iconic. I honestly wish they would have just did a truescale of mk 7. Maybe they just need more variation of the primaris helmet design, bring back the mouth grills!

Not eneugh skulls?

that said the MK X armor actually looks a lot like the old Jess Godwin Marine concept art.

The JG artwork is very clearly Mk8 armour and even the ball ankle joints can be seen on the MK8 Deathwatch Veteran models.

Primaris very clearly look like a pandered design. It clearly uses a Mk4 head, which is likely due to the demand both before and after the Calth box set for MK4, as well as MK8, both before and after MK8 was added to the Space Marine like over the last 5 years, in the collar and legs.

Quite clearly, someone in corporate looked at the numbers and told the design team to combined the two when making MK Tacticus armour

What I like about the primaris, and what has inspired me most, is the posing. The scale is obviously better, but the posing is great. A very much modern soldier style and special forces feel to them. They even said in an article in a white dwarf that that was a deliberate move. And it really works for me. Brings the models to life much more than the old, legs spread and braced look of the past.

Aesthetically I like the look of the classic mk4 helmet and the mk8 style armour but that’s very subjective. Can’t to see what comes next.

and really if the ONLY thing you dislike about MK X armor is the helmets, that's not hard to fix at all (unless you like beakies. which yeah you are SOL on :( )

I agree that the Primaris aren't very ornamented compared to the other Space Marines. I assume that's deliberate at present - partly for logistics, so they don't need to make Blood Angels Primaris Intercessors and Dark Angels Primaris Intercessors and ... - and partly because in the background they're still not quite integrated into the existing Chapters.

Give it some time. I expect that after a couple of years we'll start seeing more Primaris units appearing, to take over the roles of existing Space Marines units to make an entirely-Primaris force more viable, and they'll start looking more individualised, just like the more recent Stormcast Eternals in Age of Sigmar.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I agree that the Primaris aren't very ornamented compared to the other Space Marines. I assume that's deliberate at present - partly for logistics, so they don't need to make Blood Angels Primaris Intercessors and Dark Angels Primaris Intercessors and ... - and partly because in the background they're still not quite integrated into the existing Chapters.

Give it some time. I expect that after a couple of years we'll start seeing more Primaris units appearing, to take over the roles of existing Space Marines units to make an entirely-Primaris force more viable, and they'll start looking more individualised, just like the more recent Stormcast Eternals in Age of Sigmar.

Exactly what I think. Also the way marines were going they were so ornamented that it was beginning to look silly and cluttered. U couldn’t do a stripped down simple army. Each new kit got more and more bling on. I agree that it will change as they flesh out the range and named characters start appearing. So far the models for each chapter don’t look as overblown as the old marines.

I've a theory a theory there is a reason space wolves didn't get the upgrade kits DAs and BAs did. and thats because GW plans on doing a more wolfed out version of some of the basic primaris later on down the road. proabnly wishful thinking but given how primaris torsos work now you'd need a dedicated set if you wanted a chest piece with a wolf instead of an eagle etc.

Primaris are like a soft release for GW to update the SM line. Rather than throwing all of the old stuff out and having to start from scratch they can release at the pace they want and slowly over the years replace all of the old models. It makes total sense from both a financial and lore perspective. I think the theory about the lack of upgrade kits for SW's is likely spot on, GW plans to eventually release very Wolfed out Primaris so they won't spend money and time now making a SW Kit that they would only sell for a few years, that doesn't make financial sense.

Basically buckle up for the next 10 years or so because GW is going to slowly replace the old marines with the new. Given how GW has done the rules in 8th, our old marines will likely still be playable, after all my IG can still use Rough Riders but I wouldn't expect to see brand new awesome rules for old marines in 10 years.

BrianDavion wrote:
I've a theory a theory there is a reason space wolves didn't get the upgrade kits DAs and BAs did. and thats because GW plans on doing a more wolfed out version of some of the basic primaris later on down the road. proabnly wishful thinking but given how primaris torsos work now you'd need a dedicated set if you wanted a chest piece with a wolf instead of an eagle etc.

BA and DA and UM got a single small sprue upgrade kit; space wolves got the same. Are you not aware of that kit?

 warboss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I've a theory a theory there is a reason space wolves didn't get the upgrade kits DAs and BAs did. and thats because GW plans on doing a more wolfed out version of some of the basic primaris later on down the road. proabnly wishful thinking but given how primaris torsos work now you'd need a dedicated set if you wanted a chest piece with a wolf instead of an eagle etc.

BA and DA and UM got a single small sprue upgrade kit; space wolves got the same. Are you not aware of that kit?

I am, but DA and BAs also got a pack of their primaris marines with the upgrade sprue included almost no price differance, something they didn't do with space wolves.

Oh, ok. Yeah, those are better deals as they include that $12 kit. FWIW, Deathwatch didn't get that branded kit either. I just assumed GW thought they were giving customers too much of a value so they stopped.

To the original topic - I do want to point out that in Dark Imperium, it's mentioned that Calgar got this 'partial' primaris treatment.

I don't recall reading that although I admit that I skimmed most of the book just looking for primaris fluff stuff skipping over the bolter porn. It's possible I missed it.

 warboss wrote:
I don't recall reading that although I admit that I skimmed most of the book just looking for primaris fluff stuff skipping over the bolter porn. It's possible I missed it.

It's the part where he first starts moping about being an oldmarine in a Primaris world. It mentions that he had the partial upgrade, but still felt outdated - then goes on to mope about how his position as chief smurf of Ultramar is also outdated since the grand smurf arrived.

I liked the novel overall but Calgar drove me nuts in the 'emo, but still working' attitude he carried on.

If GW does this, it's going to be a very long term thing, like 10th edition long term. In 9th we'll have a geneseed flaw exploited by the chaos gods getting hold of Cawls research. Nurgle will make a virus that takes the old stock down. Imperium will develop a cure that will upgrade the old stock to new. That will happen in 9th ed lore, where we will get a bundle of new primaris units when it drops, but still have access to the old marines as well. Key characters will get upgrades first, the ones GW doesn't like will refuse out of honor for the chapter or something and be phased out.

As for chaos, Rubriks and Plague marines are much taller than old marines, much closer to primaris. When the slaanesh and Khorne books drop, they will also be taller, so they can transition to having 2 wounds without any "but they are too tiny!" arguments.

10th will roll around with the rest of the stock of oldmarines being phased out. GW might release a book that supports them with rules, but they will be "lost chapters" or something with sub par rules specifically made so you CAN use them, but you wont want to. Or GW will officially say that many marines did not increase in size, and using the old stuff is still OK and tournament legal.

By 11th edition, old stock will be completely phased out. Current transports will be "modified" in lore to support primaris sized marines, so the million rhinos sold are not obsolete. We may also see upgrade sets/new vehicles.. who knows?

That is at least my 10 year prediction for what is going to happen to 40k.

 warboss wrote:
Oh, ok. Yeah, those are better deals as they include that $12 kit. FWIW, Deathwatch didn't get that branded kit either. I just assumed GW thought they were giving customers too much of a value so they stopped.

Most likely they didn't sell very well. I know that most of the BA and DA boxes my LGS got are still on the shelf. Maybe people prefer to DIY Chapters for their Primaris.

 Crimson Devil wrote:


Most likely they didn't sell very well. I know that most of the BA and DA boxes my LGS got are still on the shelf. Maybe people prefer to DIY Chapters for their Primaris.

People probably prefer the cheap starterbox marines for their Primaris, as those come with the best weapon option anyway...

 Thargrim wrote:
The real issue I have with the primaris is the visual style. Not the scale. They just look like truescale beefed up mk IV. Very little of that gothic and more menacing style marines used to have. I don't know, they just look kinda generic sci fi. The regular marines and terminators are just too iconic. I honestly wish they would have just did a truescale of mk 7. Maybe they just need more variation of the primaris helmet design, bring back the mouth grills!

MK IV is one of the original designs. MK VII is the one that's generic as it's basically just a ripoff of Darth Vader and other science fiction properties. Although MK VI is the only power armor that is definitively original in design.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I agree that the Primaris aren't very ornamented compared to the other Space Marines. I assume that's deliberate at present - partly for logistics, so they don't need to make Blood Angels Primaris Intercessors and Dark Angels Primaris Intercessors and ... - and partly because in the background they're still not quite integrated into the existing Chapters.

Give it some time. I expect that after a couple of years we'll start seeing more Primaris units appearing, to take over the roles of existing Space Marines units to make an entirely-Primaris force more viable, and they'll start looking more individualised, just like the more recent Stormcast Eternals in Age of Sigmar.

This is almost exactly what Jes Goodwin said in early Twitch interviews. He felt they’d blinged themselves into a corner previously with Marines. They wanted to strip back and make far less ornate Primaris Marines to begin with, and bling them out as time went on.

BrianDavion wrote:

 warboss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I've a theory a theory there is a reason space wolves didn't get the upgrade kits DAs and BAs did. and thats because GW plans on doing a more wolfed out version of some of the basic primaris later on down the road. proabnly wishful thinking but given how primaris torsos work now you'd need a dedicated set if you wanted a chest piece with a wolf instead of an eagle etc.

BA and DA and UM got a single small sprue upgrade kit; space wolves got the same. Are you not aware of that kit?

I am, but DA and BAs also got a pack of their primaris marines with the upgrade sprue included almost no price differance, something they didn't do with space wolves.

I think you got ripped off.
I got the teeth and claws box set and it came with the Space Wolves sprue.
Is it possible you got the Kill Team Reavers?

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 warboss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I've a theory a theory there is a reason space wolves didn't get the upgrade kits DAs and BAs did. and thats because GW plans on doing a more wolfed out version of some of the basic primaris later on down the road. proabnly wishful thinking but given how primaris torsos work now you'd need a dedicated set if you wanted a chest piece with a wolf instead of an eagle etc.

BA and DA and UM got a single small sprue upgrade kit; space wolves got the same. Are you not aware of that kit?

I am, but DA and BAs also got a pack of their primaris marines with the upgrade sprue included almost no price differance, something they didn't do with space wolves.

I think you got ripped off.
I got the teeth and claws box set and it came with the Space Wolves sprue.
Is it possible you got the Kill Team Reavers?

tooth and claw does indeed come with an upgrade pack. but there's no option to buy a box of intercessors with a space wolf upgrade sprue included. thats what I mean.

Oh, I’m with you now, no basic Space Wolves less than ten man Primaris box sets exist.
I’m admittedly frugal in wolfing my Wolves to the max but I have a tackle box of Space Wolf accessories left over from SW Dreadnaught, Grey Hunters, Wolf Guard Terminators, Wulfen and TWC kits as well as a few upgrade sprues and that’s after wolfing a Burning of Prospero box so I’m not greatly worried if no basic SW Primaris set exists yet.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Oh, I’m with you now, no basic Space Wolves less than ten man Primaris box sets exist.
I’m admittedly frugal in wolfing my Wolves to the max but I have a tackle box of Space Wolf accessories left over from SW Dreadnaught, Grey Hunters, Wolf Guard Terminators, Wulfen and TWC kits as well as a few upgrade sprues and that’s after wolfing a Burning of Prospero box so I’m not greatly worried if no basic SW Primaris set exists yet.

yeah me too, my only annoyance with it is that it'd be nice to buy a pack and get accessories no charge. on the other hand, you have the shoulder pads issue where really if you're not doing ragnar's company you basicly get a chain sword and some stuff you can salvage from the space wolf pack box anyway so...

I do 30k Space Wolves scheme, a red wolf head on a black or gunmetal background so Ragnar’s embossing works pretty well for me.
I have also seen some pretty sweet mods to turn the Blackmane into Edgil’s, Krom’s and Kjarl’s emblems - get creative with it.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I do 30k Space Wolves scheme, a red wolf head on a black or gunmetal background so Ragnar’s embossing works pretty well for me.
I have also seen some pretty sweet mods to turn the Blackmane into Edgil’s, Krom’s and Kjarl’s emblems - get creative with it.

eh I'm doing Blackmane anyway so it's no big deal for me (I'm a fan of the Ragnar Blackmane novels) but I could see how it would be of less value if someone was say doing the Champions of Fenris

BrianDavion wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I do 30k Space Wolves scheme, a red wolf head on a black or gunmetal background so Ragnar’s embossing works pretty well for me.
I have also seen some pretty sweet mods to turn the Blackmane into Edgil’s, Krom’s and Kjarl’s emblems - get creative with it.

eh I'm doing Blackmane anyway so it's no big deal for me (I'm a fan of the Ragnar Blackmane novels) but I could see how it would be of less value if someone was say doing the Champions of Fenris

Fair call.
I’m pretty sure the only place anyone will find Champions embossing would be Grimnar and Bjorn.