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Current exchange rate for 20 p is $0.25 US. I believe GW offers 102 paints in it's line. This ends up being an increase in the neighborhood of $25.50 for one of every pot.

I'm not sure that I'm going to be lighting torches and sharpening pitch forks over this.
   
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As much as one could defend GW this is in no way a good move.
You can justify it like you could justify all moves Kirby did. That doesn't mean it is good.

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redux wrote:
Current exchange rate for 20 p is $0.25 US. I believe GW offers 102 paints in it's line. This ends up being an increase in the neighborhood of $25.50 for one of every pot.

I'm not sure that I'm going to be lighting torches and sharpening pitch forks over this.


With Reaper you pay $3.69 for a 14.8 ml bottle of paint

With GW you pay $4.55 for a 12 ml bottle of paint (before the price hike). With the 25 cent price hike, it will now cost $4.80.

So you are looking at 24.9 cents per ml with Reaper v 40 cents per ml with GW, AND you get a better bottle.

The only thing GW paints really have going for them right now are their ubiquity but with the internet, that is not as compelling of an argument in favor of GW paints as it once was.

   
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Now compare that GW ml price with other paints.
Vallejo
P3
Ak interactive
Scale 75
Warpaints

All high quality paint ranges.


GW paints have been behind the curve for a long time now...

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Lake County, Illinois

 Red_Five wrote:
redux wrote:
Current exchange rate for 20 p is $0.25 US. I believe GW offers 102 paints in it's line. This ends up being an increase in the neighborhood of $25.50 for one of every pot.

I'm not sure that I'm going to be lighting torches and sharpening pitch forks over this.


With Reaper you pay $3.69 for a 14.8 ml bottle of paint

With GW you pay $4.55 for a 12 ml bottle of paint (before the price hike). With the 25 cent price hike, it will now cost $4.80.

So you are looking at 24.9 cents per ml with Reaper v 40 cents per ml with GW, AND you get a better bottle.

The only thing GW paints really have going for them right now are their ubiquity but with the internet, that is not as compelling of an argument in favor of GW paints as it once was.



Better bottle is certainly subjective. Some may prefer pots. I haven't bought a lot of the most recent batch of GW paints, but I have a lot of the prior ones, and if they are similar, then the GW paints are much better paints. Or at least have much more pigment than the reaper paints. So given that the difference for a bottle of paint is only about a dollar, many people would pay that dollar to have the better paint. Not to mention that they can get the exact colors used in the GW painting tutorial videos and in White Dwarf if they are trying to replicate one of those paint schemes. And, of course, people might prefer pots to droppers.

Now, the bad part is if you are just starting out and want to buy a set with a lot of paint in it. That is a lot of money to drop all at once.

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Citadel pots are one of the worst bottles on the market...that's not subjective.

Paint WILL dry faster than in dropper bottles cause the opening is much bigger and that's a fact. The lid will not close as tight as in dopper bottles.

There's a reason hundreds of people across the globe are transfering paint from GW pots to dropper bottles.

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 Modock wrote:
Now compare that GW ml price with other paints.
Vallejo
P3
Ak interactive
Scale 75
Warpaints

All high quality paint ranges.


GW paints have been behind the curve for a long time now...



Yep Reaper will be the one they compare most favourably with as they have the smallest bottle size of the main competitors who all tend to use 17ml.

   
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 Modock wrote:
Citadel pots are one of the worst bottles on the market...that's not subjective.

Paint WILL dry faster than in dropper bottles cause the opening is much bigger and that's a fact. The lid will not close as tight as in dopper bottles.

There's a reason hundreds of people across the globe are transfering paint from GW pots to dropper bottles.



It IS subjective. The paint isn't going to dry out in the pot. I have paints from the earliest use of those pots and they haven't dried out. And I've had many instances of paint drying and clogging up the dropper on a dropper bottle.
   
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Mississippi

 Modock wrote:
Now compare that GW ml price with other paints.
Vallejo
P3
Ak interactive
Scale 75
Warpaints

All high quality paint ranges.


GW paints have been behind the curve for a long time now...



Apple Barrel paints - $2.50 for 8 oz./236 ml. Been using them for years, easily equal to GW’s paints at the least.

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 Albino Squirrel wrote:
 Modock wrote:
Citadel pots are one of the worst bottles on the market...that's not subjective.

Paint WILL dry faster than in dropper bottles cause the opening is much bigger and that's a fact. The lid will not close as tight as in dopper bottles.

There's a reason hundreds of people across the globe are transfering paint from GW pots to dropper bottles.



It IS subjective. The paint isn't going to dry out in the pot. I have paints from the earliest use of those pots and they haven't dried out. And I've had many instances of paint drying and clogging up the dropper on a dropper bottle.


The lastest pot is bad...I don't wanna go anecdotal, you can just check it if you want to but there are a lot of cases when brand new unopened pots are dried or useless.

You mean nozzle is clogged... it takes exactly 3 seconds and a paper clip to unclogged it. Clogged nozzle is actually a good thing because it means the paint is even more
air tight.
   
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Actually, even when starting out, GW doesn't compare too bad to reaper. Reaper paint sets are 54 bottles for $185 (though you can pick any colors you want). GW has a Base and Shade set that can be had for $195 which includes 15 Shade paints in 24ml pots and 37 Base paints in 12ml pots. Given that with some colors you may go a long time without finishing an entire pot anyway, the difference between 12ml and 15ml pots doesn't seem that significant.
   
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Red_Five wrote:
redux wrote:
Current exchange rate for 20 p is $0.25 US. I believe GW offers 102 paints in it's line. This ends up being an increase in the neighborhood of $25.50 for one of every pot.

I'm not sure that I'm going to be lighting torches and sharpening pitch forks over this.


With Reaper you pay $3.69 for a 14.8 ml bottle of paint

With GW you pay $4.55 for a 12 ml bottle of paint (before the price hike). With the 25 cent price hike, it will now cost $4.80.

So you are looking at 24.9 cents per ml with Reaper v 40 cents per ml with GW, AND you get a better bottle.

The only thing GW paints really have going for them right now are their ubiquity but with the internet, that is not as compelling of an argument in favor of GW paints as it once was.



Where are you currently spending $4.55 on GW paints? They're only $4.25 now. They'll become $4.50.
   
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I don't know about craft acrylics, but Vallejo is at least equal in quality to Citadel. P3, AK, Scale 75 and Warpaints are also very good, but they have very different properties so they make a tougher comparison.

Vallejo is $0.19/ml at MSRP, and Citadel will be $0.37/ml after the price hike, so it's almost twice as expensive. I don't care what anyone says, even if you think Citadel paints are better for some reason, they're not twice as good.

 
   
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Devon, UK

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

The paint isn't going to dry out in the pot.
.


Can you come and tell my pot of ceramite white that so it can go back to being liquid rather than the half formed jelly it was on the day I opened it.

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Weirdly enough I can accept the price hike on paints as I can assume(right or wrong) that their supplier is increasing costs themselves, especially if they are ordering these paints from abroad.

The raising of the SC I find more disconcerting as many of those boxes already contain very old kits that have probably paid their cost back many times over.

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I would imagine GW is preparing for a messy divorce by the UK from the EU, deal or no deal it will hurt all parties.

GW are actually protecting their system and their consumers with this rise IMO. Supply chains, tariffs, FX conversion etc will all become a lot more variable in the year ahead. The price rise should see GW through safely although painful monetarily to us players.

I would much rather GW stayed stable unlike a number of companies who have miscalculated and fallen by the wayside. I am guessing the cushion is 4-5%. Could be wrong but this is my suspicion for the rise.

Picking up on one point someone else made. I also do wish they would move a little bit away from monopose figures, much preferred the kit bashing options on previous troop sets and HQ’s.

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 Chimaera wrote:
I would imagine GW is preparing for a messy divorce by the UK from the EU, deal or no deal it will hurt all parties.

GW are actually protecting their system and their consumers with this rise IMO. Supply chains, tariffs, FX conversion etc will all become a lot more variable in the year ahead. The price rise should see GW through safely although painful monetarily to us players.

I would much rather GW stayed stable unlike a number of companies who have miscalculated and fallen by the wayside. I am guessing the cushion is 4-5%. Could be wrong but this is my suspicion for the rise.

Given that they regularly sell stuff in multiple other currencies, that they sell anywhere in the world, not only in the UK and the EU, and that their non-pound prices are already higher anywhere from "this is like 15% more expensive here" to "are you fething kidding me", that doesn't hold much water, IMHO.

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Mississippi

 Chimaera wrote:
I would imagine GW is preparing for a messy divorce by the UK from the EU, deal or no deal it will hurt all parties.

GW are actually protecting their system and their consumers with this rise IMO. Supply chains, tariffs, FX conversion etc will all become a lot more variable in the year ahead. The price rise should see GW through safely although painful monetarily to us players.

I would much rather GW stayed stable unlike a number of companies who have miscalculated and fallen by the wayside. I am guessing the cushion is 4-5%. Could be wrong but this is my suspicion for the rise.

Picking up on one point someone else made. I also do wish they would move a little bit away from monopose figures, much preferred the kit bashing options on previous troop sets and HQ’s.


This is nothing but GW apologism at its best. The company already sells at 15-20% over what they should as is. They could have take a price freeze for the next 5-10 years just to get to “competitive” pricing.

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 Albertorius wrote:
 Chimaera wrote:
I would imagine GW is preparing for a messy divorce by the UK from the EU, deal or no deal it will hurt all parties.

GW are actually protecting their system and their consumers with this rise IMO. Supply chains, tariffs, FX conversion etc will all become a lot more variable in the year ahead. The price rise should see GW through safely although painful monetarily to us players.

I would much rather GW stayed stable unlike a number of companies who have miscalculated and fallen by the wayside. I am guessing the cushion is 4-5%. Could be wrong but this is my suspicion for the rise.

Given that they regularly sell stuff in multiple other currencies, that they sell anywhere in the world, not only in the UK and the EU, and that their non-pound prices are already higher anywhere from "this is like 15% more expensive here" to "are you fething kidding me", that doesn't hold much water, IMHO.


So you don’t believe post March the Pound as well as the Euro won’t see fluctuations as well as global currency ones as currencies realign? I am guessing we could see swings larger than GW price hike until things stabilise, whatever that may look like? If there is no deal these could be more varied as well as import export tariffs being introduced, go figure.

If GW’s bankers are worth their salt they are already hedging deals.

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tunih123 wrote:
 TheSecretSquig wrote:
UK 2019 forecasted inflation is predicted to be around 2%. GW's £0.20 rise on paint pots is 8%. I'm sue there's some logic there............... Just struggling to see it.


When was the last time GW incresed the cost of the paint cost and what have the accumulated inflation been under that time?

also the pound has lost in value and with brexit it will lose more, so all production cost will increase


I don’t have the figures to hand.
But pretty sure the projected has been around 1-2% each year for last several. Then it may add up to this increase by the last one to this.

Unfortunately it’s the way of things. I won’t defned it as I don’t like it.
But it happens with every company every so often.


New release PC/console games being £30 I remember well. Now it’s £60 RRP (though never actually sold at that).

The old £5 boxes when I first got into warhammer..
   
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tunih123 wrote:
 TheSecretSquig wrote:
UK 2019 forecasted inflation is predicted to be around 2%. GW's £0.20 rise on paint pots is 8%. I'm sue there's some logic there............... Just struggling to see it.


When was the last time GW incresed the cost of the paint cost and what have the accumulated inflation been under that time?

also the pound has lost in value and with brexit it will lose more, so all production cost will increase


The pound losing money has no merit when GW doesn't base prices off of actual exchange rates. They make up their own prices anyway.

The start collecting sets were an okay deal. At $100 i think they will price themselves out of the market considering some companies have lowered their prices. US prices are still a good 30% over europes prices.

As far as their paint goes their pots are rediculous to work with as typically all they do is dry out the paints. I prefer dropper bottles. Army painter paints kind of suck but with even my LGS getting Valejo there are definately options out there. Now if my LGS would only get Reaper paints....

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
High street price for Fallout 76 on PS4 is 90 euro over here, I kid you not.


That abomination is 85 € too expensive. The PC version is the worst triple A title in years. It has a massive metascore of 52 and astonishing user score of 2.6!
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The paint thing isn't a big deal for me, the only GW paint I use are a couple washes, the majority is Vallejo or Warcolors.

The Start Collecting boxes things sucks. I'll probably have to pick a Deathwatch box up before they get more expensive as it's the only one on the horizon I'm thinking about getting.

Sometimes, you just gotta take something cause the model is freakin cool... 
   
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Well that's enough for me to pull the trigger on a SC Ad Mech.

   
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Raising the price of the start collecting sets seems dumb, and having different sets at different prices is even dumber.

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 Albino Squirrel wrote:
 Modock wrote:
Citadel pots are one of the worst bottles on the market...that's not subjective.

Paint WILL dry faster than in dropper bottles cause the opening is much bigger and that's a fact. The lid will not close as tight as in dopper bottles.

There's a reason hundreds of people across the globe are transfering paint from GW pots to dropper bottles.



It IS subjective. The paint isn't going to dry out in the pot. I have paints from the earliest use of those pots and they haven't dried out. And I've had many instances of paint drying and clogging up the dropper on a dropper bottle.

It isn't.
It does. I've gone through multiple bottles on the racks in stores looking for paints in good condition and repeatedly found none for the colors I've wanted- five or six sealed bottles in a row that are a barely liquid mess.
You're lucky and unlucky (or careless) respectively.

The funny thing is, I've still got some of the original citadel paints, and several decades later they're still in better shape than pots I find on store shelves today.

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 Vankraken wrote:
Mr.Church13 wrote:
I wouldn’t be nearly as perturbed at a paint cost raise if they would change to a better pot.

We all pretty much know that GW paint is designed to dry out and now they want more for the privilege.


Exactly, Absolutely the worst designed paint pot I've ever seen and also basically the most expensive per oz paint. People have a leg to stand on when defending GW on their paint quality and color range vs cost but I don't think ive ever heard anybody justify the design choices inherent in their pots.

Price increase of the Start Collecting boxes I think is going to price some people out of starting the hobby or starting new armies while not everyone getting into the hobby wants to buy the various renditions of the "Employee of the Month Marines" vs the "Should of Called in Sick Marines". Not sure GW understands the psychological perspective that throwing on a 3rd digit to the price will have to American consumers (if it goes that high but 10£ probably means at least 15+ in freedom money). $100 vs $85 is a big deal in the minds of a lot of people which I wouldn't be surprised if it negatively impacts sales more than it helps boost profit margins.


The current paint pot is better than the Mk3 and Mk4 paint pots...Mk3 screwtops (see photo) dried out within weeks of opening...and within months even if you never opened it. I just threw out all of my fliptop Mk4s the other day, not a single one had wet paint in it...save the inks...which I kept. Mk1 (the same ones P3 uses now) were 20ml, Mk2 went down to 17.5ml, mk3 dropped to 12ml, and it's stayed there since...


   
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Really got to love the race to the bottom on pricing logic some people propose on here

As for apologism suggested, no just reality.

Which ever way you cut it GW produce great figures and the box sets are great value.

Different market but big companies, compare the SW’s Legion offering to Dark Imperium. One cost £80 and the other £95. One gives you loads of card and 33 poor quality figures, the other offers some paper but 53 very high quality miniatures. Which one is better value?

Of course this is a narrow comparison but the point is still valid i.e. how is GW over priced in the market on a quality like for like basis.
   
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 oni wrote:
Red_Five wrote:
redux wrote:
Current exchange rate for 20 p is $0.25 US. I believe GW offers 102 paints in it's line. This ends up being an increase in the neighborhood of $25.50 for one of every pot.

I'm not sure that I'm going to be lighting torches and sharpening pitch forks over this.


With Reaper you pay $3.69 for a 14.8 ml bottle of paint

With GW you pay $4.55 for a 12 ml bottle of paint (before the price hike). With the 25 cent price hike, it will now cost $4.80.

So you are looking at 24.9 cents per ml with Reaper v 40 cents per ml with GW, AND you get a better bottle.

The only thing GW paints really have going for them right now are their ubiquity but with the internet, that is not as compelling of an argument in favor of GW paints as it once was.




Where are you currently spending $4.55 on GW paints? They're only $4.25 now. They'll become $4.50.


They're $4.50 out our FGS and I'm betting (not because of the the store owner) that GW goes ahead and makes it an even 5 bucks.
GW don't seem to do exact conversions of price from pounds to dollars.


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 Tamereth wrote:
Raising the price of the start collecting sets seems dumb, and having different sets at different prices is even dumber.

New GW, like old GW but with a Facebook page.


Agree. I've liked many of the things 'new' GW have done over the past 2-3 years.
But it's starting to seem like they're believing their own hype again.
See also Necromunda (re-released as a cleaned up version after only one year).

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