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Have you tried making scratch built terrain that is as detailed as that? It is very hard to do and incredibly time consuming, probably at least 10 hours( plus the cost of materials) or more to hand build a replica of that. It is much easier to go to work for 10 hours, use that money to buy the kit and have plenty left over for rest of life. I think the price is fair, it may be a lot compared to laser cut mdf terrain you can get but while they can be nice they are very flat and lack the detail plastic kits offer.




 Overread wrote:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sector-Imperialis-Manufactorum-2019

It seems like a lot of money for really not very much terrain at all! That's what one wall segment with a bit of a corner for a big chunk of money!
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
For 8 panels and change... seems broadly in line with the Sector Imperialis line outside bundles, and frankly, I consider the whole line unacceptably pricy outside bundles. That's why everybody was trying to get hold of the Kill Team starter, was it not?


I picked up the Kill Team starter to have a self contained game that I could also use my existing 40k collection. I will say I like the terrain that came in the box. It was enough to easily play Kill Team without the board feeling too empty. I enjoyed painting the Skitarii which is my friend's favorite faction. I can't say much about the Genestealer Cult as they are still in the base coat phase and constantly getting pushed back. I don't like there isn't a starter on the market as I enjoy Kill Team far more than regular 40k. I kinda makes it seem like GW isn't supporting Kill Team. I know they are, but potiental new players might not.

I am finding most of GW terrain too expensive even when bundled with Kill Team starters. I have been wanting to pick up a couple of Kill Team starter boxes, but I find that many are just a $30-$40 troop box, a terrain piece and cards. So far, I have just bypassed picking up the starter and bought 2 troop boxes instead. I spend a little more than the starter set, but I have enough miniatures to field a full 100 point kill team with options. I though the price in British pounds was too expensive for that terrain piece. Let alone checking what it would be in American dollars. I could see GW trying to throw it in with a box of marine scouts or Chaos Space Marines to create another Kill Team starter though. Of course, I still think it would be too expensive.

As for the price increase, I never used GW paints and never plan to. GW paints are too expensive before the price increase (and can't be found for cheap as easily) and I prefer dropper bottles.
I was starting to lean toward picking up the Chaos Space Marine start collecting as I could use a Chaos Lord in Terminator armor, 10 more basic CSM and a non-Dark Vengeance Hellbrute. It was nothing I would field too often but all potential nice options for future lists. I never did pick it before because I didn't think it was that good of a value except when I could find it for 20% off. When I did find it for 20% off, there were more attractive Start Collecting boxes I wanted more. However, I basically have all the start collecting sets I want especially now that I want to play Kill Team far more than I ever want to play 40k. So GW is definitely priced me out of getting anymore Start Collecting boxes.

   
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happy_inquisitor wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
It actually is...ever since the first person traded things, and we started using currency. Supply and demand is an absolutely fundamental concept in any civilization.


Price gouging? Sure it's a law of the universe




GW have raised the prices of some items in line with the rate of inflation since the last time they raised the prices of those items some years ago. This is not price gouging. Get some perspective here people.


Ya it is only gouging if you live in Australia or the USA, then it is the definition of gouging.
   
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angel of death 007 wrote:


Ya it is only gouging if you live in Australia or the USA, then it is the definition of gouging.


Which is pretty much the definition of hyperbole. Well done.

It is not a sudden spike in price. It is not localised. It is not on an essential item that you cannot afford to not purchase. It is not being pushed by anyone in a monopoly position.It really fits none of the characteristics of price gouging. I believe parts of the US actually have laws against price gouging and therefore a proper legal definition of what it means. This does not fit that legal definition so by the definition of states in the USA it is *not* price gouging.

Or hey, prove me wrong by trying to bring a prosecution against GW for price gouging on their little paint pots. Good luck with that.
   
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Why does GW keep increasing prices?

Why does a dog lick it's balls?

Because it can.

If you are not selling your goods at the optimal point on the supply demand curve, you are turning down money. GW paints are already by far the most expensive. People keep buying them. That suggest that demand is not purely elastic. If I were a shareholder, I'd want GW to try to push that limit.

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With the prices of the new terrain kits I am beginning to miss the old sector imperialis that offered fun for hours. Thankfully I have enough of it.

GW seems to be on a weird bender when it comes to pricing terrain. Personally I think they should aim for cheaper as it is hard enough already to get people to buy them(at least here). Every year there is a sale in my FLGS and many of the terrain kits released over the year are on discount just to get rid of them.

The cheaper, older kits sold much better.

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Oh I’d say the new terrain is leagues ahead of the old stuff. And lord knows I’ve bought a poop load of it (actually about to build my Sanctum and some scatter pieces).

But this one? I dunno, it just seems overly pricey. Perhaps that’s down to me finding it a pretty dull bit of terrain. Literally just walls. Nothing feature about it.

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Are the Killzone boxes included in the price hike?

I have plans on a large number of sector Mechanicus boxsets to fill my 40K table.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
For 8 panels and change... seems broadly in line with the Sector Imperialis line outside bundles, and frankly, I consider the whole line unacceptably pricy outside bundles. That's why everybody was trying to get hold of the Kill Team starter, was it not?
The individual buildings cost as much as the Cities of Death Imperial Sector, and that had 3.5 buildings in it.

   
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 Orlanth wrote:
Are the Killzone boxes included in the price hike?

They've only announced increases on the Start Collecting! sets and paints.
   
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beast_gts wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
Are the Killzone boxes included in the price hike?

They've only announced increases on the Start Collecting! sets and paints.



For the moment.....
   
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beast_gts wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
Are the Killzone boxes included in the price hike?

They've only announced increases on the Start Collecting! sets and paints.


They just increased Forgeworld prices 30-40% overnight for US buyers in August. Then they wonder why their FW sales declined when overall GW sales went up by almost 30M pounds. It's almost like an overnight price hike of 30-40% on products that already have complaints about high prices causes people to stop buying them. Forgeworld was just barely at the edge of justification for a lot of people at the old price. I wouldn't be surprised to see other price raises in 2019-2020. GW are making too many sales so they're going to do their best to kill the goodwill they've earned during the Rountree era...

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Where are the numbers about declined FW sales? I'm genuinely interested.

   
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Once FW changed over to their rediculous conversion rate of GW i stopped buying from them. The knock off casts are just as good if not better for about 20 percent the price. When GW started to raise the prices I just bought my 3d printer. I actually 3d print a lot of impressive terrain for several different games i play. Also 3d printed a Warhound or atleast a varient and it is a great stand in model. God for bid if something was to happen to it i wouldn't need to cry as it costed about $20 in material and about two weeks worth of spare time (for the machine not me).

Prices will continue to rise until people make a stand and say enough is enough, if people are willing to just accept it then why should they lower the price. There are a ton of legit and illegit options out there. By raising their prices they just enable others who can do it cheaper to do it. 3d printers are seriously a lot of fun for anyone who has never tried them and I bought a cheap one and it works so great I had to buy a 2nd one this year... new and improved with a bigger print bed, can stop and restart without reprinting entire print, and no more having to scrape the item off and then have to relevel the bed, 3d printing got a lot easier. Most of the time wasted was in leveling the dang printer bed and what caused it to become unlevel was scrapping the items off it in the first place.

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 CragHack wrote:
Where are the numbers about declined FW sales? I'm genuinely interested.

In the last report both FW and Black library sales have declined. Normal sales are up but lower than the last report.

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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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The "numbers" were referenced in GW's latest financial report which noted declining FW and BL sales , it was , I think, down to £3.6 million from £4.2

Personally I don't think the international sales situation is the problem. Rather, the output of both. FW has put time and effort into specialist games. No one I know plays these or buys them. FW also now has a lot of kits out of production, and have blatantly neglected Heresy last year, with AoS also nearly abandoned.

Lowering the UK free shipping amount will almost certainly have made up for lost international sales because we were being charged 3-4 times the amount it actually costs for something £120 ish.

Black Library sales.... well from a personal perspective they have had too many limited editions and rereleased a lot of stuff. The current storylines feel boring and it's only the Heresy series that got my money. Deciding to split this into a new series was very annoying.

Overall I think they have gotten too confident after the last couple of years and possibly plateaued sales wise for a while until the next iteration of 40k. Too much too fast.
   
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One aspect to remember is we don't know if BL or FW was the weaker link or if both were the weak link as their values were combined. So it could be BL is even on the up. Another aspect with BL is that we don't know if their sales report includes BL direct sales and Amazon sales or not. It could be that overall sales of BL novels and audiobooks are up, but that more are buying from Amazon rather than from BL direct - and thus lowering the profits of BL direct without actually lowering book sales overall.

Knowing the spread of the international system would also be important as would how specialist games are specifically categorised. For most of them they are sold through GW stores and 3rd parties, so all the plastic components might be selling really well, but are being classified as central GW profits not FW profits; whilst the only ones FW is cleaning up on are the resin addons - so mercenaries, critters, heads and such.


So there are some specific details that this report doesn't shine a light on that would explain in more detail the patterns of sales and what has gone on over the last year or so. Also we have to remember that a dip in profits isn't bad, its just a dip and the FW end is still making profit overall (and into the millions). It could be that the dip in FW sales is a reflection of the rise in GW central sales. With a big year of new codex releases and Battletomes it could just be that this last financial period people have been buying central GW products way more over FW products and that once the codex/Battletome mania steadies down, FW could pick up sales in a few years as a reflection of all the new and returned gamers hitting their central GW limits on models they want/need and then shifting over to extras that FW offers.

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Heads up, as of today Wayland has a huge stock of SC kits all listed at the OLD price.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Heads up, as of today Wayland has a huge stock of SC kits all listed at the OLD price.


One part of me really wants to thank you for this heads up!

The part of me that wanted to try and save some money, however, doesn't Though no really thanks for the heads up! I might might grab a skaven box even though I'm not a big fan of pestilent skaven the bell and lightning gun are such powerful iconic units one cannot pass them up!

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The new prices are up, always disheartening to see
   
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Aye but at least we get head warning and a few 3rd party stores were able to get stock. Plus even with the rise they are still cheaper than getting the models on their own so there's still a saving going on for gamers

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 Overread wrote:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sector-Imperialis-Manufactorum-2019

It seems like a lot of money for really not very much terrain at all! That's what one wall segment with a bit of a corner for a big chunk of money!


Kind of a tangent, but you know what blows my mind? I clicked your link, and it brought me to the UK site, which is fine; that's what you linked - though a smarter site would have autodetected, but OK.

But as always, when you switch locales so I can see the current currency, it loses the page you're on and dumps everything out of your cart.

I have never seen any other site on the entire goddamn internet that needs to dump your cart to switch currencies other that GWS\FW. It's one thing to expect them to handle what their much smaller contemporaries can do in terms of casting resin that isn't hot garbage running a basic e-commerce site - Maxmini, Puppets War, Victoria Miniatures, and so on can do this.

But I mean, I think even the most basic Wordpress free e-commerce plugin can do this. It's absolutely wild.

/gears firmly grinded


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with the number of folks having heart attacks when they accidentally see AUS pricing on the GW site if it didn't dump your cart we'd see loads of accidental ordering in the wrong currency from the wrong GW warehouse

and since so many people never read what they're clicking properly they'd only realise when the stuff showed up late (with customs charges for some of them) or they saw a foreign currency transaction fee on their CC statement

the smaller places don't have to worry about goods being sent from diferent countries since they're all in one place

now GW could make you create an account on each GW , that might regional site like amazon or ebay do instead that might work,

 
   
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 Ouze wrote:
 Overread wrote:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sector-Imperialis-Manufactorum-2019

It seems like a lot of money for really not very much terrain at all! That's what one wall segment with a bit of a corner for a big chunk of money!


Kind of a tangent, but you know what blows my mind? I clicked your link, and it brought me to the UK site, which is fine; that's what you linked - though a smarter site would have autodetected, but OK.

But as always, when you switch locales so I can see the current currency, it loses the page you're on and dumps everything out of your cart.

I have never seen any other site on the entire goddamn internet that needs to dump your cart to switch currencies other that GWS\FW. It's one thing to expect them to handle what their much smaller contemporaries can do in terms of casting resin that isn't hot garbage running a basic e-commerce site - Maxmini, Puppets War, Victoria Miniatures, and so on can do this.

But I mean, I think even the most basic Wordpress free e-commerce plugin can do this. It's absolutely wild.

/gears firmly grinded



Yeah that has bugged me for a long time too - on the surface it's a pretty minor irritation but it makes it hard to have a discussion in an international community like this. Especially if you're trying to compare prices across a couple of countries.

Another vote for Manufactorum being boring - it's already expensive for a building of that size and there's just nothing going on there. The old one at least had a smoke-stack
   
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Well the new prices in CAD aren't all that terrible, honestly. The SC boxes went from a flat 100 each to 110 for most. A few are 115 - likely based on the value of their contents, comparatively (i.e. Tau).

So while I'm not happy about an increase, at least it's not so substantial that it makes these boxes not worth getting. Still, I'd like to see some new ones come out that maybe offer a different spread of models for each faction...perhaps at the old price point. I know that's unlikely, but I can dream. :/

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I think the reason the GW store does it is likely because they've tied to the store to a real time inventory system which varies depending on what country you're ordering from. So what is in stock or even stocked in one country can be very different to another. If you look there are some products (mostly bundled blocks of models) that don't repeat in some territories but are on the UK site.

So I can see logic in having each region on its own side system since its each managing its own inventory. Many other stores might well just change the currency because they are either not tied to a live stock system and/or they are just one warehouse so its only got to monitor one stock take.

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Odd - Start Collecting! Space Wolves is still listed at £50
   
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beast_gts wrote:
Odd - Start Collecting! Space Wolves is still listed at £50

Not odd. Three of them(Space Wolves, Khorne Bloodbound Goreblade Warband, Stormcast Eternals Thunderstrike Brotherhood) remained at the previous price...and we saw with the price list awhile ago that it was going to keep 3 at the old prices.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
Odd - Start Collecting! Space Wolves is still listed at £50

Not odd. Three of them(Space Wolves, Khorne Bloodbound Goreblade Warband, Stormcast Eternals Thunderstrike Brotherhood) remained at the previous price...and we saw with the price list awhile ago that it was going to keep 3 at the old prices.


Ah, I'd missed the list on page 7. The one on page 9 had it listed at £60.
   
 
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