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Moosatronic Warrior wrote: Those Wraithseers are tough as nails! They lasted longer than the Avatars they were screening for! They did well at screening though, preventing any serious shooting going at the Avatars
wraithseers are characters, can they screen for avatars?
From THE BIG FAQ 2 2018:
An enemy Character with a Wounds characteristic of less than 10 can only be chosen as a target in the Shooting phase if it is both visible to the
firing model and it is the closest enemy unit to the firing model. Ignore other enemy Characters with a Wounds characteristics of less than 10
when determining if the target is the closest enemy unit to the firing model.
I think that's still the most up to date character targeting rules.
Moosatronic Warrior wrote: Those Wraithseers are tough as nails! They lasted longer than the Avatars they were screening for! They did well at screening though, preventing any serious shooting going at the Avatars
wraithseers are characters, can they screen for avatars?
Yes, as they have more than 9 wounds.
uh, i thought the >10 wounds only applied to the target, not to the "characters dont block other characters" part of the rul TIL, and i lost one too many yncarne because i missread.
Moosatronic Warrior wrote: Those Wraithseers are tough as nails! They lasted longer than the Avatars they were screening for! They did well at scAn enemy Character with a Wounds characteristic of less than 10 can only be chosen as a target in the Shooting phase if it is both visible to the
firing model and it is the closest enemy unit to the firing model. Ignore other enemy Characters with a Wounds characteristics of less than 10 when determining if the target is the closest enemy unit to the firing model.
thats the part i never realised was wordde this way
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You pay a premium with the avatar for his ignore morale aura, which your list doesn't need. Asurman is expensive but is a decent beatstick, especially with empower for 1-2 d3 mortals a round, and will give all the avengers a 4++ so makes them more survivable too. The 50 points nearly gets you a warlock for empower if you want to go with the mortals.
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Review of CA'19, you can just make out all of the points for Eldar if you squint a bit.
Aside from what we already know about CH (up 10-15 points), most other changes are smallish adjustments down. Can confirm no change for Avatar. Some notable ones compared to last CA I've listed below:
Dark reapers down 3
Shining Spears down 4
Fire Prisms down 14
Falcon down 10
Wraithguard down 6 points for D-Scythe and 5 for Wraithcannon
Wraithblade with Ghostaxes down 10 points (axe and shield went down 6 and 4 points respectively)
Scorpions 9ppm Banshees 11ppm
Wraithknight down another 30 points
Scattershield (for the WK) down 15 points (I think, its a bit blocked in video).
Shimmershield (for DA Exarch) down 5 points (Also a bit blocked so not 100% on that)
Warlocks (both conclave and individual) and also Spiritseers, all down by 10 ppm.
Warlock skyrunner down 5.
Wraithlord down 5.
Autarch with Swooping Hawk wings down 5.
Vypers and War Walkers both down 5ppm.
Twin Eldar Missile Launcher down 5.
Vibrocannon down 5.
Twin brightlance possibly down 5, really hard to see.
Fire Dragons down 2 points. Fuegan down 15. Asurmen down 25. Eldrad up 10 points. (edit - sorry Wave Serpents no change, that was last year)
Theres probably more but my eyes are getting a bit sore from squinting and blurry writing. They've added all of the points entries in the codex, even those which are the same as the codex, which is nice, but makes it tough to double check all the new changes in this particular book
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Considering every other army got point drops and/or are awaiting buffs in Psychic Awakening, Wraithknight remains pretty much where it was before, perhaps a little closer to par-for-the-course. I still think there are better choices for big mobile punchy units in that price bracket for Eldar. Shining spears are looking juicy again at just 30ppm for example.
Time will tell, but I don't see anything jumping out at me as meta-redefining. Crimson Hunter Exarchs will still be great considering the buff they got in PA. I'm continuing to edit my post with more changes so stay tuned.
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I think with the other drops to wraith units (unit of 5 axe/shield is now 50pts less), the wraithknight might be squeezed into a role. With suncannon, shield, 2 starcannons, it comes in at 386pts.
Thinking of a Supreme Command with Spiritseer and 5 Axe/shield wraithblades in serpent, 2 wraithseers, wraithknight. Give the detachment Wrath of the Dead (reroll failed wounds of 1) and one other trait (maybe Savage Blades) and have some fun.
Interesting. I seen rumours wk down 45 for sword and board... I got my ca on pre-order so will jidt have to wait to get all the points. Im sure there will be some more hidden changes for obscure stuff no one spotted.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Well stone me. After checking through the CA points via some you-tube vids, I've found that I've just saved nearly 200 pts across my wraith host collection and can now get nearly all of it for 2k
Big winners are Wraithblades with axe and shield and d-scythe guard as well.
I'm delighted with CA so far and PA certainly helped but this has convinced me armies will be able to compete against SM. Maybe not across the board but in the main.
kryczek wrote: Well stone me. After checking through the CA points via some you-tube vids, I've found that I've just saved nearly 200 pts across my wraith host collection and can now get nearly all of it for 2k
Big winners are Wraithblades with axe and shield and d-scythe guard as well.
I'm delighted with CA so far and PA certainly helped but this has convinced me armies will be able to compete against SM. Maybe not across the board but in the main.
Im looking forward to getting my book/new points.
With the new PA rules there's certainly new build and perhaps a brigade build is now doable
I wonder if any of the war gear has changed. I was really hoping for troops and AOK decrease. AOK still being 220 is criminal... :(
Argive wrote: Interesting. I seen rumours wk down 45 for sword and board... I got my ca on pre-order so will jidt have to wait to get all the points. Im sure there will be some more hidden changes for obscure stuff no one spotted.
yep, I believe it's broken down as WK down 30pts, shield down 15pts.
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kryczek wrote: Well stone me. After checking through the CA points via some you-tube vids, I've found that I've just saved nearly 200 pts across my wraith host collection and can now get nearly all of it for 2k
Big winners are Wraithblades with axe and shield and d-scythe guard as well.
I'm delighted with CA so far and PA certainly helped but this has convinced me armies will be able to compete against SM. Maybe not across the board but in the main.
yep, I ran axe and shield before, now I'm saving 50pts with them.
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Argive wrote: Interesting. I seen rumours wk down 45 for sword and board... I got my ca on pre-order so will jidt have to wait to get all the points. Im sure there will be some more hidden changes for obscure stuff no one spotted.
yep, I believe it's broken down as WK down 30pts, shield down 15pts.
Unfortunately its the Shimmershield (Dire Avenger Exarch shield) that went down 15, but the Scattershield of the WK did go down 5 points.
Bottom right corner is the wargear, it's a bit blocked by their stupid logo unfortunately but you can see the Scattershield (for the WK) at 15 points down from 20 pretty clearly. The Shimmershield for DA Exarchs is partially blocked but looks like a 5 to me.
The line blocked out by the video bar is the Avatar @ 220 points btw.
Bottom right corner is the wargear, it's a bit blocked by their stupid logo unfortunately but you can see the Scattershield (for the WK) at 15 points down from 20 pretty clearly. The Shimmershield for DA Exarchs is partially blocked but looks like a 5 to me.
The line blocked out by the video bar is the Avatar @ 220 points btw.
You are wrong with what you initially said in your previous post, the shimmer shield did not go down 15.
To clarify :
Shimmershield was 10 now is 5.
Scatter shield was 30 now is 15.
Titanic ghost glaive is no change at 30.
Wraithknight base went down 30.
Wraithknight with titanic ghost glaive and scatter shield is now 330pts.
~500pts Asuryani painted new colour scheme
~7500pts Asuryani assembled some with old colour scheme
Bottom right corner is the wargear, it's a bit blocked by their stupid logo unfortunately but you can see the Scattershield (for the WK) at 15 points down from 20 pretty clearly. The Shimmershield for DA Exarchs is partially blocked but looks like a 5 to me.
The line blocked out by the video bar is the Avatar @ 220 points btw.
You are wrong with what you initially said in your previous post, the shimmer shield did not go down 15.
To clarify :
Shimmershield was 10 now is 5.
Scatter shield was 30 now is 15.
Titanic ghost glaive is no change at 30.
Wraithknight base went down 30.
Wraithknight with titanic ghost glaive and scatter shield is now 330pts.
Ah right, I must have just looked at the codex. Like I said I just skimmed through it, and comparing 3 books to dig out all the changes wasn't something I wanted to spend the time checking twice, especially wargear.
Anyways at this rate WK will be back to its 7th ed price by next year.
Just saved nearly 150 points on my WG spam list, fun times ahead.
Moosatronic Warrior wrote: Does anyone know how he legends stuff is going to work? Are we definitely losing Autarch Skyrunners with Banshee masks and Fusion/Reaper Launcher?
from what we know so far : If the unit isnt in the codex (or FW index), its going into legends.
This means that our autarch on bike and autarch with warp jump gen are both gone once legends hits.
What isn't 100% clear : IF a unit is in a codex but its got index wargear options, will these options be relegated to legends (basic autarch with banshee mask)
Moosatronic Warrior wrote: The Skyrunner is in the codex though (I think warp jump is too). It's the index wargear options I'm wondering about.
yeah, my bad, i had a brainfart with the skyrunner. I just checked and the warp jump isnt in the codex (no currently in production model...).
Yeah, im curious about index wargear since it would also affect my blaster archon for my drukhari. My guts are telling me that anything index is gonna be removed.
If youre meme-ing like in the other post (stompa OP omg) youre in tehe wrong post.
Its pretty clear to me that the wraithknight is better than the stompa pts for pts. I'd much rather have 2 knights than 1 stompa.
It was intended to imply that the WK is overcosted, but nowhere near as overcosted as the Stompa. At least our big(-ish) bad isn't too far outside the realm of reasonable.
That said, now that I think about it, the Revenant might be the closer analogue. Don't recall it's rules off the top of my head.
Eldar- 4436 pts
~500pts Asuryani painted new colour scheme
