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Yeah I think part of the reason Eldar have been so long without updates is because the old models look great.

I think the main problem is the material - if you still get lovely metal aspect warriors I would already have some. As is, it's a project for ebay some day.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I would suspect the metal Harlis are listed as an Eldar release since that is what the were in the 90s, no?

Yup, Harlequins were all of 4 units in 2nd ed (Great Harlequin, Harlequin Troupe, Death Jester and Solitaire). They didn't even show up in the 3rd edition Eldar codex (I can't remember if they showed in a splatbook), then a single unit in 4th ed (though in fairness it had the Shadowseer, Death Jester and Troupe Master rolled into the unit and the Solitaire remaining a fluffblurb). It's the same issue with Grey Knights, taking a handful of units and trying to make them a whole armies.

Looks at 40K Compendium 1989

Harlequin Army list:

* High Avatar
* Harlequin Troupes
* Death Jester
* High Warlock
* Warlocks
* Solitaire
* Vehicles and Robots from ANY Army list

Add in the modern units

Which was far more unique units than ANY/All Space Marine Chapter had then - plenty of which have Codexes because Marines!

 harlokin wrote:

A.T. wrote:
And there were more xenos releases (at least if the boxes are accurate) in 2020 than sisters in 2020 and the 15 years leading up to it combined.

Xenos is not a faction. As a Drukhari player it is as much use to me that GSC and Necrons get releases as it is when Space Marines get them.

That's funny, because the exact same thing applies to SM - when say SW get battle leader or Ragnar, it's about as useful to other SM players as a cryptek is for Dark Eldar one (and before someone says count as, both have illegal equipment in any other SM army, as well as wrong heads/logos - so you might at best use half a body for conversion, but so can DE player making cyborg archon or something from the cryptek). Yet when SW or BA get their single model per year (if not edition) all SM players get to hear whinewhinewhinewhine noises because GW dared to drop something that is of no use to them. Go figure

And what is even funnier (or sadder) is that said whine is always only directed at SM. Not at chaos, faction that easily got 2x SM releases in the last 5 years. Not at Warcry, mediocre skirmish game with more releases than SM (adding another gigantic pile of models to chaos, btw). Not at AoS elves who collectively got more releases than SM over last 5 years, too. Nor any other comparable thing. It's almost as if whinge had no leg to stand on to begin with and was just used as paper thin excuse to bash faction complainers don't like, and if SM had zero releases over that period, some other stupid excuse would come up. Like more paints being named after SM than xenos, or SM models being more muscular than Tau, or something equally inane

 Da Boss wrote:
1st class space citizens: Space Marines! You are the protagonist faction. Your basic infantry shall be better than all other factions as we have discussed at length in other threads and the fiction shall be tailored to you!
[...]
All the dickering over whether the data is 100% accurate is hilarious. This is a discussion forum not a scientific paper and we're damn sure that Space Marines are the protagonist faction so...why even bother haggling over to what extent that is true?

Yup, and that's why space marines SUCKED in 6th to 8th editions (only getting good at the very end of 8th) while Tau and Eldar got absurdly broken rules that amounted to autowin for picking the faction (remember 190 pts Eldar Knights and both having more 2+ rerollable D shots than other factions had special weapons?). They were in fact so OP that SM needed 500 pts of free transports just to compete and were usually nearly tabled by the end of the game anyway - I don't know what it is, short memory or complete dishonesty, but every time I see this exact same thing come up I just roll my eyes and wonder what game these people were playing because it sure as hell wasn't 40K...

 Irbis wrote:

That's funny, because the exact same thing applies to SM

It's funny cos it doesn't.

Irbis: Whether GW's designers are competent enough to make rules for their protagonist faction that work is irrelevant to the point that the faction that is written in all the background as the best, has the vast majority of the models, appears in almost all the promotional material and is in every single starter while making up the majority of the miniature releases is the protagonist faction that is meant to fulfill a power fantasy for their players.

GW often fail to deliver on the fantasy the rules are supposed to provide, because they are incompetent and unprofessional rules writers. But honestly, are you looking at the game as it is and saying that Marines are NOT the protagonist faction? Because it's so obvious!

 Da Boss wrote:
Yeah I think part of the reason Eldar have been so long without updates is because the old models look great.

I think the main problem is the material - if you still get lovely metal aspect warriors I would already have some. As is, it's a project for ebay some day.

True for the most part. Shining Spears, monopose warp spiders and many of the phoenix lords haven't aged well in my eyes but the rest of the range still holds up. The original warlocks are still some of my favourite models. I built an Eldar Aspect Warhost at the start of 8th and it was having to work with finecast that was the real drawback, not just issues with tabs and flash but also ongoing problems with the models warping in the case if they are stored with any pressure on extremities. I also needed to varnish them as they are more vulnerable to damage than plastics.

I am wondering what GW could do with their new plastic technology though. If they put their mind to it and really invested some creativity I'm sure they could do some amazing plastic aspect warriors. The banshees were fine but they were mostly "the same again, but in plastic" (which is still nice because I found banshees the most problematic models of all the finecast aspects).

 Irbis wrote:

 harlokin wrote:

A.T. wrote:
And there were more xenos releases (at least if the boxes are accurate) in 2020 than sisters in 2020 and the 15 years leading up to it combined.

Xenos is not a faction. As a Drukhari player it is as much use to me that GSC and Necrons get releases as it is when Space Marines get them.

That's funny, because the exact same thing applies to SM - when say SW get battle leader or Ragnar, it's about as useful to other SM players as a cryptek is for Dark Eldar one (and before someone says count as, both have illegal equipment in any other SM army, as well as wrong heads/logos - so you might at best use half a body for conversion, but so can DE player making cyborg archon or something from the cryptek). Yet when SW or BA get their single model per year (if not edition) all SM players get to hear whinewhinewhinewhine noises because GW dared to drop something that is of no use to them. Go figure

And what is even funnier (or sadder) is that said whine is always only directed at SM. Not at chaos, faction that easily got 2x SM releases in the last 5 years. Not at Warcry, mediocre skirmish game with more releases than SM (adding another gigantic pile of models to chaos, btw). Not at AoS elves who collectively got more releases than SM over last 5 years, too. Nor any other comparable thing. It's almost as if whinge had no leg to stand on to begin with and was just used as paper thin excuse to bash faction complainers don't like, and if SM had zero releases over that period, some other stupid excuse would come up. Like more paints being named after SM than xenos, or SM models being more muscular than Tau, or something equally inane

 Da Boss wrote:
1st class space citizens: Space Marines! You are the protagonist faction. Your basic infantry shall be better than all other factions as we have discussed at length in other threads and the fiction shall be tailored to you!
[...]
All the dickering over whether the data is 100% accurate is hilarious. This is a discussion forum not a scientific paper and we're damn sure that Space Marines are the protagonist faction so...why even bother haggling over to what extent that is true?

Yup, and that's why space marines SUCKED in 6th to 8th editions (only getting good at the very end of 8th) while Tau and Eldar got absurdly broken rules that amounted to autowin for picking the faction (remember 190 pts Eldar Knights and both having more 2+ rerollable D shots than other factions had special weapons?). They were in fact so OP that SM needed 500 pts of free transports just to compete and were usually nearly tabled by the end of the game anyway - I don't know what it is, short memory or complete dishonesty, but every time I see this exact same thing come up I just roll my eyes and wonder what game these people were playing because it sure as hell wasn't 40K...

I'll have to disagree.
Yes, you are right concerning special chars, these are only playable by one chapter and if you're not playing that chapter you have no use of that release, however, most SM kits are shared between all chapters, especially with Primaris (before that GW released quite a lot of unique units for the subfactions where I would have agreed with you). Even a SW Lieutenant can be easily used by any other SM chapter because they all share the same equipment.
However, no Eldar, Ork, Tau or Tyranid has any use out of the Necrons release.

Also, SM didn't suck in 7th, they were one of the top tier armies. Yes, they got 500points of free stuff, but that was the game at the time. CSM didn't get these 500 free points so they were much weaker. Mechanicus did get 300points of free weapon upgrades so they were in line with SM. Daemons summoned units all day for free so they were competitive. By your metric Tau and Eldar would be the only top tier army in 7th because they didn't rely on free units.

 Nevelon wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I would suspect the metal Harlis are listed as an Eldar release since that is what the were in the 90s, no?

Yup, Harlequins were all of 4 units in 2nd ed (Great Harlequin, Harlequin Troupe, Death Jester and Solitaire). They didn't even show up in the 3rd edition Eldar codex (I can't remember if they showed in a splatbook), then a single unit in 4th ed (though in fairness it had the Shadowseer, Death Jester and Troupe Master rolled into the unit and the Solitaire remaining a fluffblurb). It's the same issue with Grey Knights, taking a handful of units and trying to make them a whole armies.

Harlis had their own army list in the RT compendium, and a special call out for army construction when included in the 2nd ed Eldar codex for legacy armies. I could see someone compiling a list to just wrap them into the rest of the Eldar range, but if they are going to flag the new releases separate, I would have assumed they would have also marked the old RT ones as well.

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The harlie list even came out before the craftworlds one in RT.

in 2nd ed they also had a unique place in the force org chart of the Eldar codex so you could build an all harlequin army.


You could also build an all outcast and exodite force out of that codex

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Yup, Harlequins were all of 4 units in 2nd ed (Great Harlequin, Harlequin Troupe, Death Jester and Solitaire). They didn't even show up in the 3rd edition Eldar codex (I can't remember if they showed in a splatbook), then a single unit in 4th ed

Gav Thorpe wrote their 3e in citadel journal 39, with extra units in 44. You can find them on the internet archive :
https://archive.org/details/CitadelJournalIssue10/Citadel%20Journal%20Issue39/page/n5/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/CitadelJournalIssue10/Citadel%20Journal%20Issue44/page/n37/mode/2up

The 3e Solitaire was an absurd combat monster on par with some of the 3.5 chaos combo shenanigans (118pts for a 12" charge ignoring terrain, hit first, 12 attacks at 3+ to hit, 2+ to wound ignoring armour, 6+ instant death, 18" consolodate and a slew of other rules). One of the few units in the game you'd want to push into combat with the 95pt 3e holofield equipped harlequin wraithlord...


4e eldar had the single harlequins unit entry and they were copy/pasted without alteration into the 5e DE codex (who didn't have them before that point).

 Da Boss wrote:
Yeah I think part of the reason Eldar have been so long without updates is because the old models look great.

I was totally in love with Wraithlords as a kid. Still am. I'd buy them now, but I don't, because I am even more excited for what they might do with the models in the future. ( And I also don't have time for another army )

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Yeah I think part of the reason Eldar have been so long without updates is because the old models look great.

I was totally in love with Wraithlords as a kid. Still am. I'd buy them now, but I don't, because I am even more excited for what they might do with the models in the future. ( And I also don't have time for another army )

You dont like the current wraithlord kit?
I think its by far the sexiest kit we have.

Ive procured almost all of the aspects in metals which was a mission by itself..
The current sculpt Striking scorpions (obviously in metal) are very gorgeous looking kit. Ive managed to get 10 metal lads for a reasonable price but this was over some 6+ months of searching and bidding...

Fire dragons also look neat IMO. If it wasn't for materials I think more people would bother with aspects. As it is currently.. you have to sift through ebay to find the right buys without paying an arm and a leg or stripping a bucket load of gunky paint with no guarantee you will retain all detail and wont end up with deep recesses being perma gunked up... . And once you go through all the work and want to field them they just kinds suck making the whole excerice even less appealing..
Sadly haven't got any any swooping hawks. They seem way too top heavy for metal and I know they will be knocked over and chipped sooner rather than later so its not worth the investment.

Oh heck no. I love it. But I'm weird and I feel like a redo would be even more amazing.

Karol wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:


1/4 of all releases still feels like too much for a subfaction, and that combines with their absurd powerlevel at the end of 8th is probably what causes that much complaints.
Marines get about the same amount of releases than whole superfactions (Chaos,Xenos), even more sometimes.

Why, they are the most played one. That is like saying that football in europe gets too much attention in TV, adds and scholarships for players.
And lets better not get in to another power level argument here, when the top lists are full of harlis, demons, custodes, orks etc and marines don't even make it to 50% win rate.

How do you manage to find an opportunity to downplay marines in a topic about model releases? Lmao.


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Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
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I'll have to disagree.
Yes, you are right concerning special chars, these are only playable by one chapter and if you're not playing that chapter you have no use of that release, however, most SM kits are shared between all chapters, especially with Primaris (before that GW released quite a lot of unique units for the subfactions where I would have agreed with you). Even a SW Lieutenant can be easily used by any other SM chapter because they all share the same equipment.
However, no Eldar, Ork, Tau or Tyranid has any use out of the Necrons release.

Also, SM didn't suck in 7th, they were one of the top tier armies. Yes, they got 500points of free stuff, but that was the game at the time. CSM didn't get these 500 free points so they were much weaker. Mechanicus did get 300points of free weapon upgrades so they were in line with SM. Daemons summoned units all day for free so they were competitive. By your metric Tau and Eldar would be the only top tier army in 7th because they didn't rely on free units.

Exactly, a lot of the models released for a specific -= marine =- faction can be painted a different colour and can still be used, with supporting rules and the like.

You can't exactly grab an Orc Warboss and claim it's a necron overlord.

 Eonfuzz wrote:
You can't exactly grab an Orc Warboss and claim it's a necron overlord.

A looted necron overlord on the other hand... :p

A.T. wrote:

 Eonfuzz wrote:
You can't exactly grab an Orc Warboss and claim it's a necron overlord.

A looted necron overlord on the other hand... :p

I’ve seen some pretty nice ork-looted tyranids...

 Eonfuzz wrote:

Karol wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:


1/4 of all releases still feels like too much for a subfaction, and that combines with their absurd powerlevel at the end of 8th is probably what causes that much complaints.
Marines get about the same amount of releases than whole superfactions (Chaos,Xenos), even more sometimes.

Why, they are the most played one. That is like saying that football in europe gets too much attention in TV, adds and scholarships for players.
And lets better not get in to another power level argument here, when the top lists are full of harlis, demons, custodes, orks etc and marines don't even make it to 50% win rate.

How do you manage to find an opportunity to downplay marines in a topic about model releases? Lmao.


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Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
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I'll have to disagree.
Yes, you are right concerning special chars, these are only playable by one chapter and if you're not playing that chapter you have no use of that release, however, most SM kits are shared between all chapters, especially with Primaris (before that GW released quite a lot of unique units for the subfactions where I would have agreed with you). Even a SW Lieutenant can be easily used by any other SM chapter because they all share the same equipment.
However, no Eldar, Ork, Tau or Tyranid has any use out of the Necrons release.

Also, SM didn't suck in 7th, they were one of the top tier armies. Yes, they got 500points of free stuff, but that was the game at the time. CSM didn't get these 500 free points so they were much weaker. Mechanicus did get 300points of free weapon upgrades so they were in line with SM. Daemons summoned units all day for free so they were competitive. By your metric Tau and Eldar would be the only top tier army in 7th because they didn't rely on free units.

Exactly, a lot of the models released for a specific -= marine =- faction can be painted a different colour and can still be used, with supporting rules and the like.

You can't exactly grab an Orc Warboss and claim it's a necron overlord.

Not without weapon swaps most of the time, and well, certain factions need so much conversion work (along with weapon swaps) that actually it usually isn't worth the hassle for most players unless it happens to be the specific pose a person wants. You can't give a primaris librarian a plasma pistol for example so you cannot use mephiston (and the none plasma pistol hand is weird on other factions). The space wolves characters are so space wolves you wouldn't use them, and their lieutenant has a power axe... Something other marine factions cannot be give on primaris lieutenants or captains etc...

It may seem like they are useful from the outside, but really they are not outside of some heavy conversions which only a minority of players will do.

Not that I don't agree space marine release amounts have been bonkers but this specific narrative that all successor chapter models can be used easily across other chapters is false.

It's not that hard to just add a few unique special characters and units to your normal marine chapter and play them as SW one game, BA successors another game and then Dark Angels for a third. Just swapping some HQs and an elite unit while keeping 75% of the list or more the same.

Before BA got their psychic awakening they really sucked playing as mono Blood Angels so I played them as Raven Guard for a while.

For a competitive marine player there is more than just some small relevance to models and rules from the other chapter's. If Dark Angels will be the by far best marine chapter you will see Dark Angels of many different colours show up with up to 90% generic marine units and just enough DA specific models painted the same just to make the list playable.

If GW were better at balancing the different sub faction rules then Iron Hands players wouldn't care about what Dark Angels get but that isn't the case.

One thing I noticed that was interesting to me was:

The proprotion of marine released to not-marine releases over the last 5 years has been relatively constant, but there was a massive shift from the old "big factions" to new or relaunched factions.
There's been essentially nothing since 2014/2015 for Guard, Tau, and particularly Tyranids [who didn't even get a character relaunch since 2014]; and Eldar can count themselves comparatively lucky to see one release.
On the other hand, there has been a very sizeable support for the new AdMech, new Custodes, relaunched Sisters of Battle, relaunched GSC, new Tsons, and new Death Guard essentially occupying the non-marine release space.

Necrons saw a major release, CSM and Orks both got a clutch of new models, and Daemons got spillover from Age of Sigmar.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Not without weapon swaps most of the time, and well, certain factions need so much conversion work (along with weapon swaps) that actually it usually isn't worth the hassle for most players unless it happens to be the specific pose a person wants. You can't give a primaris librarian a plasma pistol for example so you cannot use mephiston (and the none plasma pistol hand is weird on other factions). The space wolves characters are so space wolves you wouldn't use them, and their lieutenant has a power axe... Something other marine factions cannot be give on primaris lieutenants or captains etc...

It may seem like they are useful from the outside, but really they are not outside of some heavy conversions which only a minority of players will do.

Not that I don't agree space marine release amounts have been bonkers but this specific narrative that all successor chapter models can be used easily across other chapters is false.

Replacing the Plasma Pistol is not really a problem and kind of less work than some other factions not to do on regular hero models

and Mephisto was one of the more used conversion base for all kind of Marines even as a metal model
same as anyone who wants Marines in Robes or Marines on Bikes just uses Dark Angels and removes the DA symbols

there are not many Marine models that cannot be used for other chapters, mainly DeathGuard and some vehicles

I'm not super surprised and aside from a one off guard character I don't expect even 1 imperial guard unit to be released this year. In a way it's good, means I have little to look forward to.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I'm not super surprised and aside from a one off guard character I don't expect even 1 imperial guard unit to be released this year. In a way it's good, means I have little to look forward to.

Unless AoS has a very dominant year again with more than one huge release (undead are coming in some form, and lumineth are now fully announced so I'm ignoring them) then I think there is room for either guard or eldar to get quite a few new kits. Whether that happens or not is a totally different kettle of fish though.

GW might go completely off what you would assume should be the expected chart and release the whole GK range in primaris including terminators which will then be followed up with standard primaris terminators...

EDIT: Talking AoS, a similar infographic would be super interesting for AoS to see if there is any release bias for that range also.

 Eonfuzz wrote:


How do you manage to find an opportunity to downplay marines in a topic about model releases? Lmao.

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Ok then lets speak about new models. What did most of the marine faction get? A special character if they are one of the named chapters, excluding the BT and CF. That is one faction model through out all 8th ed.

Now marines got a crawling faction model reset, and it is a testament to the strenght and popularity of the faction, that GW can't just do them the same way they do it for other factions. But if someone doesn't want to buy in to primaris or already has a marine army, then 8th wasn't a unit reach enviroment for them as far as new models go. Some limited edition termintor models, and stuff you had to order from Japan, which considering the cost, was something only for the most hard core of fans.

And considering this is a game and the models exist to be played, the rules are important, and their quality can not be ignored. If in 2 months time GW puts out a new tyranid codex, and it has 2 new character units and one unit, and all 3 are something no tyranid player wants in their list. Then does the release really count as tyranids getting 3 new models?

In 8th when primaris came out, only starting players bought them to play with, the regular marines were so much better with their weapon options, point cost and transports etc It took GW almost the entire 8th edition to change primaris units, so much that people actually decided they want them in their armies. And right now in 9th, GW created a situation where both primaris and classic marines are wanted by players, and the choice to buy one, the other or both rests only on the player and what he wants.

Karol wrote:

And considering this is a game and the models exist to be played, the rules are important, and their quality can not be ignored. If in 2 months time GW puts out a new tyranid codex, and it has 2 new character units and one unit, and all 3 are something no tyranid player wants in their list. Then does the release really count as tyranids getting 3 new models?

Yes, they quite literally received three new models.

yeah and that is 3 more then a lot of factions. Only full resets get a whole new model line. And as others said. Marines are the money makers for GW. GW is not going to replace marine model selling slots, to make xeno ones. 8th and 9th did come with a big model updates or new model lines for non marine armies. Ad Mecha got stuff, SoB got remade in to Plastic, we just got necron, we got knights etc Those are all new model lines, and , again as others said it, this means that GW, to make and sell them they way they do, ate the releases for armies like tau, eldar or d eldar.

I mean what did people expect to happen in 8th and 9th? GW is replacing or cloning, each old marine unit with a new one, often spliting old units load outs in to multiple units. Marine scouts, got split in to 3 or even 4 different units. How were they suppose to drop the primaris line without it taking years? Don't get me wrong, I would have prefered they droped the entire marine line necron or sob style, but that just ain't going to happen. Not when GW still has classic stuff to sell, and marines are their big money makers.

The graphic I'd >really< like to see? 40k releases vs AoS. That game is about 1/3 as popular as 40k, gets far less interest online and is very quiet competitively, yet it just gets absolutely plastered in releases.

 grouchoben wrote:
The graphic I'd >really< like to see? 40k releases vs AoS. That game is about 1/3 as popular as 40k, gets far less interest online and is very quiet competitively, yet it just gets absolutely plastered in releases.

They obviously went hard with the R&D/design of the factions, with some being designed for years in advance of release now, and must make enough money from the models not to scrap the releasing of those already designed models. AoS has had a long running reboot though, the last 3 years seems specifically intense in terms of releases (and big releases for factions at that).

Yeah that sounds about right. Just a note of interest here - the graphic here makes Chaos look like they've had a big 5 years, comparable to SM. And they have, but 50% of those releases were Chaos Daemon releases, an AoS faction. I get the feeling that if daemons weren't in AoS they would be languishing in model releases.

 grouchoben wrote:
Yeah that sounds about right. Just a note of interest here - the graphic here makes Chaos look like they've had a big 5 years, comparable to SM. And they have, but 50% of those releases were Chaos Daemon releases, an AoS faction. I get the feeling that if daemons weren't in AoS they would be languishing in model releases.

well if you curb daemons out, you'd still get a gak ton of DG and TS, because gw needs to split factions and sell more rules and more specific models.


Other than that we had the CSM facelift, aka we got now "nearly" all CSM updated to the current era with only possessed and some charachters missing.
Also we got a gak ton of HQ that in most cases are basically an exalted champion but worse with no options what so ever.. (MoE.)

That's funny, because the exact same thing applies to SM - when say SW get battle leader or Ragnar, it's about as useful to other SM players as a cryptek is for Dark Eldar one (and before someone says count as, both have illegal equipment in any other SM army, as well as wrong heads/logos - so you might at best use half a body for conversion, but so can DE player making cyborg archon or something from the cryptek). Yet when SW or BA get their single model per year (if not edition) all SM players get to hear whinewhinewhinewhine noises because GW dared to drop something that is of no use to them. Go figure

And what is even funnier (or sadder) is that said whine is always only directed at SM. Not at chaos, faction that easily got 2x SM releases in the last 5 years. Not at Warcry, mediocre skirmish game with more releases than SM (adding another gigantic pile of models to chaos, btw). Not at AoS elves who collectively got more releases than SM over last 5 years, too. Nor any other comparable thing. It's almost as if whinge had no leg to stand on to begin with and was just used as paper thin excuse to bash faction complainers don't like, and if SM had zero releases over that period, some other stupid excuse would come up. Like more paints being named after SM than xenos, or SM models being more muscular than Tau, or something

I am sorry to inform you that none of your argument holds water.

Let's start by getting the easy things out. Warcry and the models for AoS are a completely different game that GW is developing up and should in no way be considered "at fault" for anything. It is entitlement to think that 40k is the only game that GW has and should matter as GW really needs a more diverse portfolio going forward. Space Marines only sell so much.

I mean, we could just as well say that 40k is holding AoS back because GW is spending too much time on Space Marines.

Even then the Chaos models in Warcry are specifically for Chaos AoS and are far from useful in 40k. You could maybe make some cultists out of it, but those will be very expensive cultists compared to the actual cultists available. In fact, the only one that gains much from this is Slaves to Darkness(AoS) and as an extension some of the Greater Gods of AoS Chaos Gods. So nothing for 40k.

In fact if you insist on the idea that Warcry and AoS chaos models are somehow for Chaos in 40k then we can add ALL OF STORMCAST to the Space Marine line as they are quite literally the Space Marine counterparts in AoS and are actually quite nice to convert into Space Marines. I highly recommend it actually as Stormcast have been getting some really cool models.

Then to Aelves. You do realize that the Aelves you are talking about are various different factions that can't ally much with each other? I mean, I get if AoS players whine about Aelves releases as they have been quite a few(my issue is more that Order is getting too much attention), but in comparison 40k? That's just balooney.

Even then you shouldn't be complaining about AoS or talking about AoS at all as that's a completely different system with its own release schedule. You are not the nexus of the universe with your Space Marines and 40k. There are other games even if you don't play them and a ton of people who do enjoy those games.

To the final argument. To say that Ragnar is to Space Marines what Cryptek is to Dark Eldar is an inane comparison. People have been using chapter specific Space Marine models for ages for very basic conversions whereas using a Cryptek as Drukhari is going for a very conceptual army look. I don't know if people remember this but people bought the Dark Vengeance box sets and spent time scraping the Dark Angels insignia off because the models were cool to use for their own chapters and the silhouette was "Space Marine" enough to fit almost perfectly. Even then a person would be more likely to be forgiven to use their chapter specific Space Marine as a stand-in for another unit(as long as loadout is legal) than Drukhari using Cryptek as an Archon. I mean, at this point we could just say that all of 40k Chaos Space Marines are also Space Marine releases in this comparison because you can make some "half-body" conversions with them.

In short, your argument has no leg to stand on.


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A.T. wrote:

 Eonfuzz wrote:
You can't exactly grab an Orc Warboss and claim it's a necron overlord.

A looted necron overlord on the other hand... :p

The magic of Orks is endless.

Total shift in the conversation, but does anyone know what the solitary Admech release in 2003 was? It's been boggling my mind for the past hour.