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But now you can disembark and embark on the same turn. So we will see alot of hopping in and out of transports

Kirasu wrote:Yeah the charge distances havent really changed much to be honest.. Usually just a few inches due to fleet changes

Moving vehicle 6" then charging 6" is the same as getting out beforehand and just charging 12"

Its just a different way of doing it

It makes quite a bit of difference if a unit has Overwatch though. If you did it the old way, they'd shoot the Battlewagon. With the new way, they'll get to shoot the assaluting unit.

Yeah, but so far only one unit has overwatch and thats coteaz

If this is real, it will spell the return of nob bikers to the tournament scene. No more instant-death by S8, and other shots have a harder time hitting them, while they keep their 4+ cover save. In addition they can now fire shootas or kombi weapons on top of their dakka gunz. The new wound allocation 'fix' also prevents losing the Waagh! Banner or the Dok by accident, while you can kill off big choppas or even slugga/choppa models to heal them. You can also pick a nob with a combi-rokkit and ammo runt as a squad leader to have him snipe special weapons/leaders out of marine squads. When he dies, the nob with the W! banner even becomes a new character. Being able to shoot after stomping a unit into the ground is also nice.

Regular nobz took a bit of a hit, but you can still get 'eavy armor for your important models to prevent the opponent from sniping them, same for the nob in boyz units.

Burnaz will be awesome at charging hordes - 1d6 attacks AP5 on the charge is very nice..

In addition, rokkits and deff gunz got a lot more dangerous to vehicles, warbosses and nobz with banners hit vehicles on a 5+ (thrakka on a 4+) and you get all those nifty advantages of assaulting transports, like charge by chance if you are within 2" of all their access points. Thanks to being tanks, all those rhinos and chimeras are no longer going to blow up in our faces either, while wrecking them with glances has become much easier and the even count as massive.

On the other hand, trukks and buggies can now get cover and are hit like infantry (non-tanks are not massive!), battlewagons can no longer be wrecked by a single glance and tank shocks actually kill models. Hurray trukk list?

One of the stratagems gives overwatch if you're within 3" of an objective.

Also, if you engage you can shoot afterwards no? And with charge you can't.

Wondering about Sieze the Initiative. Instead of going first, it now grants the player 25% of the strategem points he or she bet. That's going to change the perception on the Initiative stealing guys like Imotekh and Vect - not to mention how Baron's ability now rather allows you +1 to your deployment zone roll off, rather than strictly allowing you to choose to go first or second.

Jidmah wrote:
Regular nobz took a bit of a hit, but you can still get 'eavy armor for your important models to prevent the opponent from sniping them, same for the nob in boyz units.

The whole unit has to take 'eavy armour or not afaik. But yes, 'eavy armour on nobs in boys mobs will be essential, as will combat shields for sergeants.

Shandara wrote:Also, if you engage you can shoot afterwards no? And with charge you can't.

Precisely.

Cerebrium wrote:I can't hold a rational conversation? All because I disagreed with something you maintain to be true?

How very mature of you.

Probably more to do with you insisting that there's no evidence that this might be a real GW document when in fact, there is. Insisting upon something that is easily disproven and has in fact been disproven is not very rational and you are doing Hitchens a great disservice by using his name as a magic bullet to prop up your deficient reasoning.

The heuristic lex parsimoniae, or Occam's Razor if you prefer, dictates that the simplest answer is usually the correct one and the most plausible until evidence can show it to be incorrect. To me, the simplest explanation for this is that it's a real GW document used during the development cycle for 6th Ed. that has been leaked; an assertion that requires no great leap. This being an 'elaborate troll' requires an unconnected party (or parties) to have significant skill in rules-writing in the 40k tradition (see the overwhelmingly positive reaction) and to have invested significant time and effort to no real end. That's a far greater leap and is, accordingly, not the most plausible answer.

Dribble Joy wrote:

Jidmah wrote:
Regular nobz took a bit of a hit, but you can still get 'eavy armor for your important models to prevent the opponent from sniping them, same for the nob in boyz units.

The whole unit has to take 'eavy armour or not afaik. But yes, 'eavy armour on nobs in boys mobs will be essential, as will combat shields for sergeants.

You are thinking of cybork. 'eavy armor is on a per model basis (listed in the same category as boss pole and ammo runt).

What's a bit 'yawn' is Assault Vehicles - They can go at Cruising speed and the occupants can Combat Move/Engage from it. Same assault range as open topped vehicle allow, but you get to do some dakka afterwards and still be close to the vehicle to hop back in in the consolidation phase.

Jidmah wrote:You are thinking of cybork. 'eavy armor is on a per model basis (listed in the same category as boss pole and ammo runt).

Huzzah!

(I would have looked it up, but my codex is like.. 7 feet away in my case... )

You can now move a vehicle, disembark, engage (Assault that you can shoot after) and if you wipe out the unit then you can shoot and get back in the transport

Andrew1975 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:I like how gw thinks were all idiots. They take away hit modifiers for a clunky ev stat, that then as the same dang hit modifiers. Ive played battletech so hit modifier is easy. Skimmer with jinks, your at +1 to hit. Massive, your at -1 to hit. Ect.

Lets face it 40k is basically a nerds game (no offense, myself included), nerds tend to be good at math or at least capable. Stop dumbing down the game while at the same time making it more complex and clunky. We can all handle basic math...even the 8 year olds. I'm looking at you ap rules!

I too always thought it was a shame modifiers disappeared, and in trying to reintroduce variables that affect how that probability changes (in the form of more named special rules) it actually makes things more difficult.

Infinity has a far more complex variables system, but it's amazing how quickly you can pick it up (and it becomes second nature) after just a few games.

lord_blackfang wrote:I like that flamers can hit embarked troops if they cover a fire point (or any bit of an open-topped transport)

which will likely see no end of argumentation and gimmicking of template weapons and modelling for effect.

Vaktathi wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:I like that flamers can hit embarked troops if they cover a fire point (or any bit of an open-topped transport)

which will likely see no end of argumentation and gimmicking of template weapons and modelling for effect.

Its only d3 hits and what MfE could that create? If you counts as then the fire points should be in the place anyway.


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Does anyone see the boost for Leman Russ? They can now fire three weapons on the move.

Twelve little burnas in a trukk,
Those raider bound termis are rather f****d.

They're a lot better off than getting hit with 100 flamer hits as opposed to 15 D3 :p

Jidmha you genius as always. Nob bikers are going to be scary.

Dribble Joy wrote:Twelve little burnas in a trukk,
Those raider bound termis are rather f****d.

Silly Dribble. Land Raiders dont have fire points.

Though FNP is a bit nerfed. I hope they don't nerf my cyborks much further. I like them to be at least vaguely playable.

ChocolateGork wrote:Land Raiders dont have fire points.

No number of rolleye emotes can express how I feel right now....

Fine, I'll just have to tear the bloody thing open with power klaws and then burn the poncy beakies.

ChocolateGork wrote:Does anyone see the boost for Leman Russ? They can now fire three weapons on the move.

All tanks got an upgrade for firing on the move (MT(2)).

Remember however that firing an Ordinance weapon costs two Heavy Fire actions, so they will only be able to fire one other weapon.
Sit still though and you can fire everything at different targets (6 actions, two to fire the big gun, one to divide fire and three left for the other weapons).

Jodiju wrote:
The heuristic lex parsimoniae, or Occam's Razor if you prefer, dictates that the simplest answer is usually the correct one and the most plausible until evidence can show it to be incorrect. To me, the simplest explanation for this is that it's a real GW document used during the development cycle for 6th Ed. that has been leaked; an assertion that requires no great leap. This being an 'elaborate troll' requires an unconnected party (or parties) to have significant skill in rules-writing in the 40k tradition (see the overwhelmingly positive reaction) and to have invested significant time and effort to no real end. That's a far greater leap and is, accordingly, not the most plausible answer.

This is how I feel about it.

All other things aside, the quality of the rules and the design are enough to establish them in my mind as a professionally written book. I've read a lot of fan dexes and to my knowledge, almost nobody in the community has ever made anything quite this good.

zilegil wrote:Jidmha you genius as always. Nob bikers are going to be scary.

Explain? Wound groups are different there.

Weapon skill table has changed. Now to-hit suffers if opponent's weapon skill is double, rather than OVER double.

Meaning my Kanz are gonna be hitting on 5's standard, instead of 4s :(

I think this will not be the final draft of the new rule set, tweaks here and there will eventually streamline the rules a bit.

Kharrak wrote:Weapon skill table has changed. Now to-hit suffers if opponent's weapon skill is double, rather than OVER double.

Meaning my Kanz are gonna be hitting on 5's standard, instead of 4s :(

Their Grotzookas just got more awesome with the new scatter rules though.

lilith is now going to be the dark eldar hero that she was meant to be.

if this goes to print she is going to single out and kill anything that has as a unique dent in their power armor when she charges a marine squad. being able to single out that PF at I9, as well as another special weopon etc, is going to make CC all about speed, speEED, and more SPEED. mark my words.

Painnen wrote:if this goes to print she is going to single out and kill anything that has as a unique dent in their power armor when she charges a marine squad. being able to single out that PF at I9, as well as another special weopon etc,

Directed attacks are chosen after the opponent allocates them to armour groups, so as long as a special model has a different set of armour saves, they can avoid it. Though of course the flamer, PF, icon, etc. probably won't have anything special, but it means that the various armour upgrades for squad leaders that are pretty much useless at current will be virtually auto-includes.

just read that part myself and you certainly are correct about useless upgrades being important! lol


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someone mentioned Crypteks with Lances being the Be-All, End-All snipers, this little snipet shoots that down as well...

Shooting actions use
the Directed Hits rule as well if the target unit is
within point blank range. -this is in reference to charactors.

Question: I see a lot about titans and flyers. Is there anything in there about making Forge World rules definatively legal?