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In Deadzone, it depends. As soon as your group has the guy who finds replacement figs for all his guys in more favorable poses, that's when people start to stirred up.

As long as those guys are non-existent, no one cares.

Jake didn't seem too fussed about it in the rulebook, and remember if you're all tiny and hunched over it hurts your own ability to see over obstacles as well. But making a deliberately tiny approach at something with the indirect rule would be substantially dickish.

Most of my observations are theoretical and from the PoV that they are things I like the idea of and will create, but I rarely get to play and so legality and fairness rarely come up. So that's my frame of reference anyway.

Yeah, I am disagreeing with Jake on that myself. The theory works for guys that are equally good at fighting and shooting. However, if you've not got a gun, you want to be as small a model as possible and if you do have a gun, you want to be as tall as possible.

Warren at Beasts of War was running into an issue in one of his previous games where his sniper couldn't see over the barricade he was sitting behind.

I've noticed that, I plan to strategically place crates around prime vantage points so models can use them if they need them, the tradeoff being more visibility means more visible.

 Compel wrote:
Yeah, I am disagreeing with Jake on that myself. The theory works for guys that are equally good at fighting and shooting. However, if you've not got a gun, you want to be as small a model as possible and if you do have a gun, you want to be as tall as possible.

Warren at Beasts of War was running into an issue in one of his previous games where his sniper couldn't see over the barricade he was sitting behind.

Yep. Finding the tiniest plague dogs you can is to your advantage.

It doesn't really matter if Jake is fussed about it or not. Apparently he's never met a power gamer.

The comment in the book is probably really meant more for arms sticking up and out or flat at the side too, not bringing entirely different and much smaller minis to the table. Fortunately I have a Zero Tolerance policy for people gaming the system of what could otherwise be a fun game, and barely get to play anything anyway. I feel for anyone who has to deal with powergamers and WAAC individuals on a regular and unavoidable basis.

I just sit the rifle barrel over the barricade myself. Sure the model isn't sitting completely flat, but it makes sense enough to me. and is usually sturdy enough.

Zees are pretty awesome, can hide *anywhere*... and then get promptly eaten by whatever melee monstrosity fancies them as an easy snack before tripling and getting a free move/fight. :p

Bwahaha! Sounds amusing, I bet Freya is pretty good at skulking to the other side of the board as well.

Ooooh, well I've already seen my season 6 team, those Koris are too neat to not get at least 8. I almost want to get the hobgoblins too so I can get a third Hulk as that's likely the number of them you'll need for a Warpath unit.

Two more teams at 525k

Teleporting aliens:


and more Orcs and Goblins:


And has anyone posted this music video to one of these Dreadball threads?


Because it seems thematically appropriate.

^ That's awesome, gonna have to share it with the KS comments.

I'm loving the Koris....

Demented octolimbed cyclopean trans-dimensional tricksters who like to play games, torment the locals and generally mess things up just for fun.

As far as concepts go, it couldn't contrast any better with the humdrum "fantasy goblins and troll with american football gear in space" team also part of the same stretch.

 scarletsquig wrote:
As far as concepts go, it couldn't contrast any better with the humdrum "fantasy goblins and troll with american football gear in space" team also part of the same stretch.

Bingo. This is why I prefer Rampage to Frenzy.

I think I know what my season six team is.

Koris is the kind of stuff I want to see more of on the table.

The character design for the Koris is good but not a must-have for me, and unrestrained teleportation is a stupid thing to allow onto the pitch.

The Hobgoblins and Hulks are boring as always. It wouldn't have been hard to come up with a "big guys and little guys" team that doesn't fall back on the goblins.

Mantic wrote:@ SS - The remaining two Season 6 teams are new races as well

Damn. That makes it that much less likely that there will be a second must-have team.

I like the Koris the only issue I can see is how they will sit on the base as they legs will need something under them to connect to the mini bases platform shoes time again!

The addition of a Hulk to the Hobgoblins makes them a far more interesting team, not one I'd buy outside of a Frenzy pledge but still more characterful than I though they'd be. I hope they are quite different to the Marauders rules wise.

Koris aren't a must-have for me either, but I'd be pretty comfortable with them being my season 6 choice if the remaining two teams aren't more interesting. It's really going to be tough to beat (or equal) season 5's sphyr, rebs, and crystallan. We may be seeing a lot of "can I get two season 5 teams instead of 1 season 5 and one season 6 team?" "No." "Why not?" etc. . .

Providing the hobgoblins have a striker or two, playstyle wise they might be the team for me. I've felt quite comfortable with my Zzor during games but end up cursing the strikers who are really strikers.

I'm probably good on hobgoblins, if I want some I'll get them retail. Koris currently free season six team. Hard to choose between the rebs, sphyr, and crystallans. I pretty much have to get the rebs to flesh out my DZ faction, but the crystallans are too damn cool. And when you consider the giant shark... Sphyr are pretty hard to miss out on as well. I'll probably pick up the spares on the survey. Even though I won't want to spend the money on them, I'd still be happy if the last two season six teams are as cool as those mentioned above. And if there's a season seven... Much value to be had by all, especially frenzy

So for someone with zero dreadball knowledge, can someone fill me in on the lore and whatnot

ncshooter426 wrote:
So for someone with zero dreadball knowledge, can someone fill me in on the lore and whatnot

The lore is garbage. What you imagine the lore to be is undoubtedly better than what the lore is.

 AlexHolker wrote:

ncshooter426 wrote:
So for someone with zero dreadball knowledge, can someone fill me in on the lore and whatnot

The lore is garbage. What you imagine the lore to be is undoubtedly better than what the lore is.

I don't think "Your opinion of the lore" was the question at all

ncshooter426 wrote:
So for someone with zero dreadball knowledge, can someone fill me in on the lore and whatnot

It's the future. Mankind travels to the stars.
Corporations run most everything/are essentially the govt.
Aliens exist and interact but often have conflict with the Corps due to conflicts over planets, resources, displacement, genocide-type stuff, etc.

In the shiny core worlds of the Corporation, DreadBall is a carefully marketed and controlled money-making sport.
Bread and circuses. The game is controlled by a governing body that changes things to keep them interesting/populace occupied.

In DreadBall Xtreme, you see how the fringe worlds play DB. Virtually no rules and the seamy side showing.
Aliens that couldn't show their face/tentacles/whatever in the core, throw down in the violent, unregulated madhouse that is a DBX pitch.

You have to have a license to be a legal alien.

Regarding "exploiting", or at least just discussing the implementation of Deadzone LoS, Beasts of War discussed it in their latest Weekender, where Warren said he had his first argument about Deadzone rules. He admitted as much that, as written, the enforcer sniper couldn't see over the barricade he was standing behind, but he wanted to take a more liberal approach and say "well, he'd obviously peek over it since in a standing position it would be easy". His opponent preferrered Rules as Written. Direct link to the timecode (5:50) in the weekender vid for those interested.

(hmmm this is the dreadball thread... but it's relevant to the convo... I'm torn... what the hell *submit*)

Also, screw sphyr for Deadzone (though I do like that too). Crystallen all the way!! I swear I'm getting a second team of them for Deadzone if it's the last thing I do. Then figuring out how to convert and paint clear plastic to look awesome with my horrible modeling skills... someone better than me please make a good tutorial for it ; p

I think I'll be going for the Rebs from Season 5. I get an alt Sorak that way, and three other Reb alien races that may or may not ever show up in some future Deadzone release. And I'm kind of stuck on the Rin Nomad.

The Crystallans are a very cool concept design, and Mantic have an excellent sculptor lined up to do them (by hand) - the guy who did the Teratons - but I don't know how I'd mod them to look Deadzone suitable, and Mantic has said many times during the KS that they'd like to bring the Crystallans properly into Deadzone someday anyhow. I'll probably wait and buy their next DZ appearance, whenever that is.

Sphyr I'm going to wait on, too. I have a feeling Sphyr forces will also make it to Deadzone eventually.

I'm going to try and keep this one small and stay close to the Rampage pledge. I do want some models to proxy into Deadzone, but I don't want a truckload of them, as inevitably I'll never get around to modding them all. I've thought several times about just pledging $1 and ordering my Deadzone fodder a la carte from the survey, but I'm pretty sure Rampage will have enough things I want by the end that it will be a better way to go.

 Vermonter wrote:
but I don't want a truckload of them, as inevitably I'll never get around to modding them all.

Like *that's* ever a valid reason to not spend money. pfft.

I feel the same, Vermonter. I could do the math and see if the bits that I wanted added up to less or more than Rampage, but the difference is liable to be marginal enough (or even in rampage's favor!) and I don't mind to get a neat game out of it. I will have to add some things though, i they're at all reasonable on their acrylic window/door bits... I'll be all upons.

I think I'll try to paint the not-crystal parts of the crystallans and leave the crystal parts out of it. Then Those will get a wash or two, maybe an edge highlight, but I want the light to still get through. Possibly just a dip, that usually does a little bit of both.

Fortunately for you guys, some hobby stores stock paint-on primers

 Yonan wrote:

 Vermonter wrote:
but I don't want a truckload of them, as inevitably I'll never get around to modding them all.

Like *that's* ever a valid reason to not spend money. pfft.

I know - sometimes this place feels like Al-Anon for miniature collectors. Pragmatically speaking, I should probably never buy another miniature, as I have plenty (not like most of you guys, but plenty) and will most likely be dead before they're all painted. I have this fantasy of buying no more miniatures for two years and just working assiduously on my backlog.



Then Mantic rings my doorbell and says, "I'm going door-to-door with this incredible offer!"

And there I am, pledging on Kickstarter again.

But what the hey, I'm human*, and buying miniatures is fun. But for Dreadball Xtreme, Rampage will be plenty for me.

*In this case, a euphemism for "addicted."

Another potentially interesting video - a sci-fi football game whose beta was just added to Steam.