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Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
Just to say a few thought i had:

1: Sad no inquisitor in GK, by rumours, as they were good cheap HQ units. The same with assassins, but if my wolvies can use a vindicare that's cool.

2: Draigo. I am one those people who is a tiny comic and film nerd. Lets give draigo the name of Iron man or Thor. Now no-one complains when they cut through an army to find the villain and win nearly single handed, so why complain when a man in huge terminator armour, wielding a sword and shield, kicks ass and defeats Mortarion. They are the same things, heroes do stupid stuff and ALWAYS win, it's the narrative imperative. A hero will always do something brave and fool-hardy and win, look at Sharpe in Sharpe Eagle; pledges to get a french eagle in revenge for death of another officer. Told that is would be suicide and no done, but still goes ahead and gets the eagle. The hero always wins, most of the time. QED Draigo is a hero.

Consistency of tone is a vital part of maintaining the reader's suspension of disbelief.

Just because they're two things I watched recently, compare and contrast the new BBC adaptation of The Musketeers with the film Event Horizon. The former is a flashy adventure show, where the good guys in awesome costumes have swordfights and blackpowder shootouts with the bad guys, they kill the henchmen and beat the bad guy leader, the damsel is saved and they all retire to the tavern to get raging drunk, huzzah! The latter is part horror, part sci-fi, all atmosphere. It's not about valiant heroes engaging in derring-do and saving the day, it's about people just trying to survive in the face of some nameless Stygian horror that wants, if it can even be said to have desires at all, to shred their sanity and watch as they die a gruesome death.

The problem with GW fluff in general and the heart-carvery incident specifically, is that they fluctuate between the two extremes in a completely unpredictable and thus immersion-breaking way. One moment the Grey Knights are portrayed as shining heroes standing alone against the darkness(classical knights and chivalry narrative), the next they are ruthless pragmatists who treat with xenos, bathe in the blood of allies, and carry daemonic artifacts and weapons into battle(90's antihero narrative), then they're fighting a hopeless unwinnable shadow-war against the literal stuff of nightmares(why hallo thar Lovecraft), and then the reader gets slapped in the face with Draigo featured in a completely OTT comic book-style where he defeats an entity that should by all rights have stepped on him like a bug, because Righteous Anger or whatever, and then literally walks into hell but remains Space Marine Jesus despite it supposedly being impossible for a mortal, any mortal, to survive there.

So yes, in an "adventure" story, the narrative imperative is that the heroes triumph, and the reader will accept that even if they do so in an incredibly contrived and ridiculous way because it's what they expect to happen, but even when 40K was much more Monty Python than Grimdark Srs Bsns it was more towards the Event Horizon end of the narrative scale than the kind of adventuring hero tales that would justify Draigo-esque escapades, and even if the more recent direction of 40K fluff has been towards the adventuring heroes brand of story, you still can't just drop that kind of story right into the middle of other types of stories with different narrative imperatives and expect people to go "oh OK cool beans dude that makes sense".

The difference between strikes and purifiers might be a little flamey-logo transfer sheet for their shoulders.

 Yodhrin wrote:
and then literally walks into hell but remains Space Marine Jesus despite it supposedly being impossible for a mortal, any mortal, to survive there.

Fluff argument, I know, but it's far from impossible to survive there, it's just not a very pleasant place to be with a very high mortality rate. Just think of all the warp travel and teleportation. Void Ship and Space Hulk inhabitants, Warp Spiders, Interceptor squads, etc, they all spend various lengths of time in the warp, either with or without the added protection of stuff like Gellar fields. And while there are certainly a lot of deaths and warp mutations and so on, plenty still make it through with their sanity relatively intact.

Heck, Maugan Ra was happily strolling along in the Warp long before Draigo was even conceived, and I'm sure Draigo can exert a lot control over the Warp than the Phoenix Lord can.

Man, Grey knights.. No models... That sucks...

lliu wrote:
Man, Grey knights.. No models... That sucks...

It will be a panic release.

No models... I feel like rage quitting.

 wuestenfux wrote:

lliu wrote:
Man, Grey knights.. No models... That sucks...

It will be a panic release.

Yeah, the new Grey Knight's codex hasn't even been released and it already has the new-Fantasy coming up its rear!

 Yodhrin wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Was waiting for someone to claim that "The 10 man box isnt a discount, its the 5 man box thats over priced nya nya nya"

You know the two statements are not mutually exclusive, yeah? If I offer you one of a thing at an inflated cost, and two of a thing at slightly less than double the inflated cost, you would be perfectly entitled to still call both overpriced despite the latter technically offering a discount.

Well calling them both over priced was the inevitable conclusion i guess

Well, it appears that Purifiers will be 25 pts and so become slightly more expensive.
The same holds for the special weapons.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, it appears that Purifiers will be 25 pts and so become slightly more expensive.
The same holds for the special weapons.

Source?

Not that a 1 point increase is unbelievable, 24 was a weird number

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, it appears that Purifiers will be 25 pts and so become slightly more expensive.
The same holds for the special weapons.

Source?

Here you go: http://astropate.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/nuovi-cavalieri-grigi-lista.html

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
well a 2x 5 man box takes means an extra box, extra space in the lorry/warehouse/store

so it should be more expenisve than half the 10 man box

Hmm... interesting point.

By the by, I have a bridge to sell. Interested?

Do you really think you don't pay for packaging, shelf space and shipping space on every product you buy?

Ah the leaked army builder. Is that still the one that came out with the Space Wolves?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Ah the leaked army builder. Is that still the one that came out with the Space Wolves?

Looks like. it's POSSIABLE those points aren't final, but they most likely are.

More to come:

Yea was wondering if it was updated, as those pictures have been floating around for a bit now

I quite like those point values. Especially regularizing the different CCW and special weapons between squads. Some units see weapons go up in price, but most see them go way down.

Aren't these the old images?

Old as in from last week? Yes.

Looks more complete. They were lacking all the upgrades before. This seems to be the entire loadout.

decker_cky wrote:
Old as in from last week? Yes.

Old enough

 Red Corsair wrote:
Looks more complete. They were lacking all the upgrades before. This seems to be the entire loadout.

All of these were floating around, but this is the first time I've seen them all in a post together

what army builder is that? lonewolf AB? first time seeing it..

 deviantduck wrote:
what army builder is that? lonewolf AB? first time seeing it..

It's from the GW army builder.

L'astropate link has been added to my main post for a while now...

please don't spam the thread with old rumors and useless arguement about fluff and try to teep things focused on new rumors. Thanks !

Not having read all of the previous 31 pages, I apologize in advance if this has been answered already.

There was a separate rumor going around these boards of a new Chaos Daemon wave sometime later this year. If they are combining two different codex releases into one boxed set, Daemons next would make sense, but I haven't seen anything else on that other than wish-listing. Is there any serious hint that Daemons are next?

I know this is a bit off topic, but I'd take a new Grey Knights codex if it means new plastic Greater Daemons were coming up next.

Think a WHFB release is next.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Think a WHFB release is next.

Ah, bummer. Thanks, Wren!

Man...did the Apothecary upgrade used to be 75 points, or was that for the entire model? Or did the apothecary upgrade just get way the heck cheaper? Force staves only 5 pts per...must've been mega-nerfed. Draigo knocked down by 30 pts as well, Dreadknight cheaper...very interesting.

 Colpicklejar wrote:
Man...did the Apothecary upgrade used to be 75 points, or was that for the entire model? Or did the apothecary upgrade just get way the heck cheaper? Force staves only 5 pts per...must've been mega-nerfed. Draigo knocked down by 30 pts as well, Dreadknight cheaper...very interesting.

Got much cheaper, the upgrade was 75 points so it was 55 +75 for an apoc